Roleplay, Plots and the World.

That is true. My current personal plotline is distinctly "for a mature audience." That said, while Rei would have no qualms about killing a child, what's the point? Adults are much more 'fun.'

Just noticed Reds post in the IC story thread, and it kinda relates to this.
Is that post claiming that two people are responsible for changing reality so that demon summoning is common practice? Im hoping its not...

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Mhmm, I read it that way as well, but looking at it a bit more, it seems that yes, it CAN be seen that way from a point of view...

...but it also seems written so that only those two and their followers were shifted into a very similar universe, but one more compatable with Demon Summoning. Which is a different and more acceptable kettle of fish.

Well, as I've stated previously, I guess it's all right that your lot has dealt with this situation as you've done. However, I still feel that I MUST reiterate certain points. Player character villains CAN and SHOULD be viewed just as threatening to world peace and order as NPC villains - that even though many who RP villains may be content with keeping their villainy "small-scale", there are those that want to take their villainy to much larger scales. Of course performing such villainous reactions is going to elicit a response from every major hero group in-game, from the Phalanx, Longbow, to Vanguard and the Midnight Squad...all groups that can be represented effectively in AE, RV and the RWZ. The truly psychotic villainous characters wouldn't be deterred by such responses ... in fact, some villains may easily be capable of overcoming such responses (Large scale groups of villains against a large scale force of heroes...)

One last thought: With the diverse conglomeration of heroism and villainy rampant throughout CoH/CoV, there's bound to be some villainous plots that DO succeed. Granted, many of these plots may be quickly foiled, given the magnitude of the event. However, there may always be other plots that go unnoticed, no matter the scale of the event.

For there to be any form of heroic response and/or heroism to any given situation, there must at first be some form of atrocious, tragic, villainous plot to unfold, and sometimes even succeed.

I think that's about all I can say on the subject. Of course I can go on and on - this really is a circular argument, because there are so many that would argue such wide-scale events should only be left to the game developers. They fail to take into consideration the very tools the developers have given to us, the players, with which to unleash our own individual stories upon the player base. Given the shared-world RP vision of Unionverse, there are STILL ways to work such wide-scale events in to where not every single RP'er on Union has to even acknowledge such events (or to just jump right into the fray!) These means may not be perfect, but they can suffice in terms of providing a means of compromise for all those involved. It's blantantly obvious there are those unwilling to compromise, unwilling to accept that any one particular player-character can execute any sort of successful villainous plot that could garner such wide spread attention and response. If anyone that played this game wasn't allowed to create such a villain (the devs truly had a remarkable vision with CoV!), why would anyone in their right mind have continued to play a game where all you could do is create a hero to combat AI-controlled baddies in an MMO environment? Granted, at the time the concept was a vision it itself - but for that vision to last as long, and hopefully even longer now, those player-created heroes needed a more appropriate level of villainous characters introduced: those villains created by other players. With the advent of the AE system, the developers have given EVERY SINGLE player an outlet that allows them to let such plotlines unfold. Granted an RP system was already in place, with the forums, chat and global channels available - now players can really perform at heroic or villainous levels. Unless they prefer to keep their heroics/villainy in the PvP zones, that is.

See, it's all a circular argument. Even I'm sitting here saying "Well, on the one hand, yeah they're (Unionverse RP'ers with squeamish stomachs) right, but then, why would the devs give us such tools at our disposal? So that we, the players, can tell an infinite amount of stories, can plot against the opposing alignment forces." This tends to work out quite well for the developers, in that they won't have to work as much, or avoid providing too many of said horrific events.

*Sigh*

It's times like this, I wish I had the patience I did ten years ago.

I get the impression that Kyzock does not comprehend how Unionverse works and that he gives advice on how his RP server works, which doesn't apply to the Unionverse.



The Unionverse is the overlapping world that Union RP happens in. The Newspaper thread and such depict what anyone on Union could comment on as having happend.

Under that veil of Unionverse are the pockets of RPers that tend to stick to their own group with their own plots. These plots -might- become public knowledge and part of the Unionverse, but that doesn't have to be so. They can keep it within their group (Like I think Kyzock is used to).
But if it is mentioned in the Newspaper thread (or IC stories thread to some extend), then it's part of the Unionverse.


So in part we do have the RP world that I understand that Kyzock is used to, but on top of that we have a layer of common knowledge with on top of that the actual MMO game world.

I hope I've managed to explain Unionverse correctly, feel free to point out if I'm wrong, though!

OH I get the idea. As to my RP thing, well it's mostly kept to the forums, due to game mechanics and other limitations that have been pointed out. On top of all that I have severe altitis, having over 160 toons in-game already.

I was merely attempting to point out several vialble alternatives for the Unionverse RP populace. It felt as if quite a few actually took offence at such alternatives because of the entire "shared-world RP" of Union. That's all fine and dandy, but at the end of the day, if anyone really has taken the time, they can still build toons that can be on par with that of NPC heroes/villains, and technically anyone playing the game can still RP their toons as being equal to if not more, heroic/villainous than current in-game NPCs.

It's not 'game-breaking' or anything. It's just the way it is.

There are certainly viable alternatives if you want to build such a villain. But as I said before, the problem is publicity or put another way, visibility. If the actions of the current villain I'm using for my plot were to become public knowledge, they'd generate the same kind of national response. But because they've kept their actions secret, only known to a few, and the heroes investigating of course, the public isn't alerted. Ergo, no-one needs to be involved other than those currently in the plot. Then there's things like time travel, alternate dimensions, hidden circles etc that can form artificial walls around those players who want to be involved in the plot and those that don't.

But once it spills out into the community, especially an event as big as this was initially, because of the shared world, there's an expected response otherwise it becomes chracter breaking to deny its existence IC.

Once again, it's not about being squeamish about the subject, it's about making sure you're not dragging other people into your plot unwillingly.

But Statesman would always beat LIz , he is not dumb , he would just bring along holy water and crossed and a bunch of stakes, he would do it in day time , and rip holes in any buildings to let in sunlight .

Anyone can build a toon that can solo AV 53 Statesman . But that is pure mechanics, and has nothing to do with playing the game, and nothing to do with RP.

Some people play within the game, others like to strech it as far as possible , others will step outside the game. When it comes to RP the same is true, either we except that and restrict our RP actions to agreed boundaries or we accept seperate RP strands.

Personally i have RPed at GG , Pok d some closed SG/VG RP settings , and randomly with PUG RP. In all cases i can say i have found bits of other players RPing, character or plotage , that i have felt i have to ignore for a range of reasons, it happens, its a imperfect game.

Now to say CB's plot forces others to react is not true, just like the current GG Find Annette plot does not force other players to react. Yes CB's plot would cause a massive counter strike, but there are plenty of reasons for any character to treat it a a backgorund News story, given the vast number of heroes comparde to villains its unlikely that there would be enough bits of the Court to go around.
And before i get shouted at, YES i agree Tomb would become deadmeat, yes the US airforce would be bombing villains into the stone age, and yes its the sort of plot i would avoid like the plague.

However if CB's plot is world News , would not a private Spacestation, run by a group of US based Supers not also be world news ? and would it not have a world wide reaction by other power groups, and nations .

Finally, and i think this is important, CB is out there making plots that allow ANYONE to become involved in, if they wish to, what ever other faults they may have, that must be a good thing, can other say the same of there RP and plotage ?