Roleplay, Plots and the World.

Right nice to see it has moved on to a less heated discussion. As for Characters being every AT, I think I am a bit guilty of that with two of my Characters, it was pretty much related to the heroes/villains that can solo AV's. So I have the MM version of that Character that beat Recluse, so as a solo story where do you go then? So I used the VEAT story as a continuation of that Characters story, does that mean said character abandons all the MM skills? Which was a bit of a sticking point, so I kept both versions.

Then theres also the question of what is a MM without minions? AT wise not minionless MM, as well the character may not want robots/ninjas/zombies following them around all the time. So I went with a corrupter version pretty much the powers the MM would be without minions. Then for character reasons it became a stalker/scrapper, as they get a sword and the character history was from the dark ages so was logical to me. Even then though I stuck to the equivlent secondary power the same as the corr had only the armour not blaster set. But that character in question was never strong enough to be a tank or a brute. So while it seems OMG WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I think that was one way to pull it off, especially with something/dark as dark powers are pretty common so can do multi AT Characters with such powers.

I think the real way to do this is well realise what the character is at its base, in that case I went with corrupter mostly. Though as pretty much any character can learn how to use swords or guns I didnt see letting that character have swords or guns really mattered. My reasoning to that was any one can be trained in that and a dark ages charater would be trained in swords anyway. Plus things likes swords and guns are not really a power, like say throwing lightning or radiation. They are mroe a skill. Then again there is the trouble of a robotic character, who is saying a robot cant upgrade itself. You know one glove or powerpack fires bolts of radiation, the next day different setting fires electric.

That said what I personally dont like to see is say a character one day being a I dunno Dark/Dark Defender then the next day a illu/elec troller. as the powers are totally different so how can it be the same character. Though again sinse we can now colour powers really any power can be made looks wise to fit any character so it is a tricky thing to limit where as before it was a lot easier to define. So pretty much the devs ruined my whole argument *shakes fist*.

In the end of the day, I think the most important thing is how you Roleplay it, most things don't cause trouble unless you decided your character can do everything and is good at everything and so on.

While admittedly short on posting time today, I probably should have been able to clarify my own opinions on specific details on the subject being discussed here.

I agree with those that say the the original death toll what is was is more than likely unworkable for a continuing the story. Again be fair to CB, he has given consensus and lowered the number for the purpose making the plot carry on with a more realistic conclusion.

Now to offer my defence of being over dramatic over the way people have debated in this thread, I have to say that this debate has not been kept within the confines of this thread and has ventured into other forms of conversation that I have had to listen to. As in actually listen to over Skype.

And people have really not been happy! And really I can see their frustration. They have been accused of making big events happen and then not allowing their characters to suffer the consequences. However, I have heard plot plans going for weeks in advanced that would have said characters suffer consequences for their actions and this is coming from the toon's creator themselves.

Now fair enough, that alone would be me being "over dramatic" about this situation. Unfortunately it has become apparent to me that a lot of the arguments between some of the RP'ers here are primarily based on a general dislike of each other because of some past history ether of some argument/fight over something involving this game and in some cases, more personal matters (And no, I am not going to name names or try to sly a pointed finger at anyone!).

That's what I take issue with more so than anything else. Personal animosity towards someone is going to inevitably poison a reasonable group debate and potentially drag others into rivalries they don't ever need to be dragged into. So yes, there are some here arguing for the sake of it because they just do not like each other.

Can't speak for anyone else but I have already made it known on other areas of the RP forum that I hate being dragged into that sort of crap and feel I am forced to choose sides, to which I end up choosing nether and walk away from it all.

Now for the charge of saying people were over analysing when they were not.....

0_o

They were going onto Long Island NY, district council websites to try to say that a school wouldn't hold that many students anyway and that none of them would have been there at that specific point. And then went as far to suggest that Tomb's psychological personality was inaccurate because that mentality would not manifest in a person until she reached her 20's!....among other things.

What on Earth would be classed as over analysing?

Could be said I don't have to get involved in any of this if I am so iffy about it. Thing is I wasn't really expecting to get dragged into all this as virtue of allowing my SG and toons to get itself into Open Season. Then again, no one wants to be accused of being someone who takes their ball and goes home.


I need vodka.

Well written post is well written. Despite the need for vodka
Let me run through it, if I may;

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Originally Posted by Eleven And people have really not been happy! And really I can see their frustration. They have been accused of making big events happen and then not allowing their characters to suffer the consequences. However, I have heard plot plans going for weeks in advanced that would have said characters suffer consequences for their actions and this is coming from the toon's creator themselves. Now fair enough, that alone would be me being "over dramatic" about this situation. Unfortunately it has become apparent to me that a lot of the arguments between some of the RP'ers here are primarily based on a general dislike of each other because of some past history ether of some argument/fight over something involving this game and in some cases, more personal matters (And no, I am not going to name names or try to sly a pointed finger at anyone!).

It may be fair enough for the characters creator to not mind the consequences. But they alone aren't the only ones that would have been effected by this.

Let me try and slap it into diagram form, 'cos my description tends to get too convuluted.

St Johns attack
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Robot has the Courts symbol on it -> Tomb actually behind it
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Court blamed for attack - Attack scale on par with 9/11 in real world, other catastrophies in Paragonverse
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Full on war waged against Court. UN, USA, other outside forces.
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ONLY POSSIBLE OUTCOME;
Death/destruction of every character in the Court.

This is unless the universe was god-moded further and saying 'Oh, they couldn't kill us all, etc etc'. It would happen. US armed forces, Freedom Phalanx, a bunch of other Hero and possibly even Villain SGs, ALL versus the Court. They would ALL die.

And thats simply not fair on all the other players who are in it. I personally don't mind the Court; it's another RP super group, whats to dislike? I may not see eye to eye with all the players that are part of it, but thats niether here nor there. I can't just shrug and wave away the destruction of a SG full of other peoples chars, nor can I just fudge it to 'oh they ran away' or some fail reasoning like that. It had to be fixed to avoid breaking.

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That's what I take issue with more so than anything else. Personal animosity towards someone is going to inevitably poison a reasonable group debate and potentially drag others into rivalries they don't ever need to be dragged into. So yes, there are some here arguing for the sake of it because they just do not like each other. Can't speak for anyone else but I have already made it known on other areas of the RP forum that I hate being dragged into that sort of crap and feel I am forced to choose sides, to which I end up choosing nether and walk away from it all.

I've probably made it fairly clear before who I don't see eye to eye with. But I'm never going to let that get in the way of RP so long as the RP is being handled ok. God-moding an entire setting isn't being handled ok, frankly. CB changed it and was agreeable and decent about it. Others...weren't. I'm going to leave it at that. But I for one am arguing for the sake of 'Stuff not being snarfed up on a Unionverse level', not just because I don't like people.

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Now for the charge of saying people were over analysing when they were not..... 0_o They were going onto Long Island NY, district council websites to try to say that a school wouldn't hold that many students anyway and that none of them would have been there at that specific point. And then went as far to suggest that Tomb's psychological personality was inaccurate because that mentality would not manifest in a person until she reached her 20's!....among other things. What on Earth would be classed as over analysing? Could be said I don't have to get involved in any of this if I am so iffy about it. Thing is I wasn't really expecting to get dragged into all this as virtue of allowing my SG and toons to get itself into Open Season. Then again, no one wants to be accused of being someone who takes their ball and goes home. I need vodka.

The fact about the schools numbers and them being on or just off holiday was valid. The over-analysis of Tomb? Yeah, what I said; over-analysis. The world can be pretty messed up, people! But theres a difference between one messed up character and actively messing up a game setting.

Did ya get your vodka?

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

That wasn't entirely clear! I thought the aftermath was on Skype, not the problems you have. Really not much we can do about that, the threads stopped short of going that crazy. What people do on Skype we can't help.

Yea, we were only basing off what we could see, which certianly wasn't what you've been through alright.

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Pious here. This is characteristically optimistic of me but you know what would really be a nice thing to do? Just for the sake of bringing something tangible out from the flames of this debate and into fruition; an actual player-ran Unionverse plot. Now this is the important bit; it would need to be a plot so well ran it successfully transcends most of the well-expected woes of the player base. A story that is neither Dev-scale nor wide-scale, one that most of us can agree to subscribe to and though it negates the whole point of such a plot, still allow those who'd rather step out of it all, to do so ICly. So nothing massive or world-changing but still carrying enough momentum to reach the -hearts- of our characters; the heroes and villains of our beloved Unionverse. Can such a plot actually be enjoyed? Could it possibly be agreed on by the majority of the active Union Roleplayers? If not, then perhaps our 'shared' world... isn't so truly shared.

I just think it would be a wonderful thing to have at least this once, a story we've -all- contributed to, at some level. A common event we can all share and proudly speak of as a real and successful Unionverse plot. It seems previous attempts have been made but largely fell only to a select group of supergroups. Should we at least try a more unique and evenly spread story? Possibly one already seeded into cannon by the Devs but grown into a plot we can all relate to and participate in? Is there sufficient interest? Are people accepting and willing? Off to work for now, back later tonight.

Hey I can't include every single thing in one post. CoH involves numerous subjects beyond just good vs. evil, but in the end it all boils down to good vs. evil. It all is a journey, with no set destination point.

That's what all stories and RP plots are SUPPOSED to be anyway: Journeys. Currently the Unionverse RP'ers are on a journey to RP their characters within the confines of the established canon of CoH lore, which is fine and dandy to do. I imagine it's quite a difficult struggle, and a balance HAS to be maintained.

Also: Yes, CoH is a grand story delivered to us all by the game's developers, yet it's also one where we the players can transcend the story given to us, by introducing our own unique characters.

To answer Omega Chief's question as to why I'm RPing in CoH: I don't RP in-game very much. As a matter of fact, I limit my own in-game RP activities to Pocket D, mostly watching others, reading the local chat as it scrolls by. I have too many alts to bring in, because I have altitis.

So, I keep my RP activities to the forums mostly, which is a good exercise for me. It keeps my typing skills up, allows me to deliver some massive backgrounds for certain characters while keeping other backgrounds limited. I feel it provides me more flexibility with certain characters as well. It's also teaching me, because like so many people tend to do, I'm very guilty of god-modding characters, going over the top, so on and so forth. It's already helping me to become a better member of RP society.

Well, good luck with the future endeavors of the Unionverse.

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Well as said, the current Open Season plot line was doing this just fine until it breached the level where people not interested could no longer ignore it. Personally I won't ever join a 'Massive' plot as I find that unless you really, really ham up your capabalities you get lost as background noise while the plot itself unravels into a million sub plots that are almost impossible to keep up with. Eventually resolved by the few 'lead voices' in a rather unfufiling climax in which the bit part players stand around twiddling thier thumbs.

Which isn't to say you can't have 'Save the World!' plots, but a sense of urgency near the climax is best for those. Else you have people sitting around waiting for a chance to resolve it all and it starts to drag something awful and the whole things gets a bit farcical as others try to join in right at the end, so those there from the start spend an awful lot of time explaining what's happened to others to get them up to speed, sometimes more time than they actually spent participating and that's not much fun at all.