What has this world come to?


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This. Unless the charcter is offensive, (those I petition immediately) I ignore a toon unless two out of the 3 factors lend themselves to copying. If someone named Kal-El is running around, looks like Superman, and has no bio, I will petition them. I just do not make a scene about it.
Kal-El with a different costume, no bio, but just happens to be a Invuln/SS Tank with Fly as his travel? Yeah, I'd be suspicious.


 

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Rider 00 is my character. The way he appears in my Signature was his original appearance. Over the last week or so his appearance has changed a lot since the screenshot I took of him, I'll have to update my Siggy and Avatar. Thank you for reminding me. I've been changing his appearance slightly each day, trying to make it obvious he's Tokusatsu themed without him appearing like a rip off character.

However, I do have a Tokusatsu themed MA Arc if you want to take a shot at it, Tokusatsu Hero Force - Rise of the Darkin. I'll get the ID for you later.
Please read the whole thread next time and not just the part that gives you what you believe is your chance to bash me. Thank you.


 

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I just wanted to chime in and say "I'm that guy" occasionally when I see copyright violators.

I saw <Name removed to avoid humiliation> who was a BLATANT joker clone. What I didn't know was that I, and three other people from VirtueUnited, happened to ALL be on that team and petition him. He got genericed mid mission, MID ANIMATION. Damned funniest thing I've ever seen.

He shouted in broadcast inside the mission "ADMIN????" and that was the last I heard of him for a long time. Then he showed up again thanks to player notes. It was surreal seeing 4 people comment on the SAME event nigh simultaneously in VU.

Moral of the story: Sometimes when you snitch on a stranger, you make great new friends.


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This entire post should receive some kind of award for being both hysterical and fantastic.
Well done.
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The OP is kinda late to the party, this crap has been happening since CoH was released in 2004.




Side note, it's only copyright infringement if you get caught. I once made a hero with the same exact name, costume and powerset as in the comics BUT he was such an obscure character in an obscure comic I never got caught, leveled him up to 50 and everything no one had a clue I stole the entire character even his bio. Eventually after a year I petitioned myself and got my name changed because no one cares about a DC character they've never heard of.


Honestly I believe I could create that same character again and get away with it again.


 

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just came across an Incredible Hulk look-alike SS/Inv brute just a 15 min ago. Well instead he was wearing purple long pants so I assume he is just a homage toon. Pretty nice homage character.


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...Listen ive read a couple of posts and heres my view:

what the player did was fine in my view..tht player was creative to make tht toon, its down to the game makers tbh. if they dont want people making things that look like other toons then dont put them in the game the way it looks. ive seen creative batmans supermans etc


 

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...Listen ive read a couple of posts and heres my view:

what the player did was fine in my view..tht player was creative to make tht toon, its down to the game makers tbh. if they dont want people making things that look like other toons then dont put them in the game the way it looks. ive seen creative batmans supermans etc
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Erudite Answer: I disagree with your conclusion and have the opinion that you have based it on faulty logic and wish to disparage them while citing that expecting the game to censor itself in the provision of costume pieces that may be used to create characters that other companies lay claim to the image to when written in the terms of service of the game that creating such a pastiche is verboten is, quite frankly, ludicrous.

The provisions of the terms of service as stated in the launcher read:

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He may not select as his Customer ingame ID the name of another person, or an ID which violates any third party's trademark right, copyright, or other proprietary right...
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He may not create Customer-created ingame data thiat is the name/description/title of another person, or which violates any third party's trademark right, copyright, or other proprietary right...
So while it may be fine in your view, in the view of the company it is not fine. It is the opposite of fine. If fine was the Finish of the race, this would be at the start of the race. The company can and will alter costumes and 'Generic' names, if players notice characters that infringe the above points in the terms of service, the correct course of action is to file an in-game petition to the customer service and game moderation team for them to deal with, and not harangue people in Local, Broadcast, Tells or on video content upload sites.

And to sum this rebuttal up with a fine old adage:

Just because you could do something, does not mean that you should.

I could jump off a cliff, but I should not.
I could throw a kipper at Kylie Minogue, but I should not.
I could make FICTIONAL CHARACTER X in game with costume parts and parade around the virtual world pulling a smug expression at my brilliance of crafting a doppelgänger, but no, I should not.


 

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I report blatant violators.

Guys like the one named "Psi-colps" who looked very similar to a certain X-Men character, and was standing around in Atlas spamming "I am xmen" every 10 seconds.

It amused me that he misspelled the ripoff's name.

Right after Shield Defense came out I made a blatant ripoff of Captain America myself, as close as I could get it. I named the character "EULA Violation" and hung out in Atlas with him for a while. I had several people (who were also playing ripoffs) comment on the costume and give me advice on improving it. There were at least 5 Captain America clones in Atlas at the time, and as far as I could tell none of them realized I was making fun of them.


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See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

 

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I would have loved to see this play out in the courts. If I had to bet Marvel's lawsuit would have been thrown out. Marvel was attempting to blame the tool maker(NC Soft) and not the people actually 'infringing'(the users). But it was in their best interest to settle since it saved them probably a few million and it was definitely in Marvel's best interest because they didn't really have anything to gain from the lawsuit but stood to lose a bunch of it got thrown out.

I believe that Marvel was willing to settle the suit because when they created Wolverine in the costume creator and logged into the game, they agreed to the EULA which then gave NCSoft the rights to Wolverine. NCSoft probably pointed this out to Marvel and said, "Look, if you drop your lawsuit, we'll agree to police our game to remove copy characters. If you don't drop your suit, we'll pursue our claim on Wolverine...because you guys essentially gave him to us."


 

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I believe that Marvel was willing to settle the suit because when they created Wolverine in the costume creator and logged into the game, they agreed to the EULA which then gave NCSoft the rights to Wolverine. NCSoft probably pointed this out to Marvel and said, "Look, if you drop your lawsuit, we'll agree to police our game to remove copy characters. If you don't drop your suit, we'll pursue our claim on Wolverine...because you guys essentially gave him to us."
Ooo, they kept that bit quiet Should read the EULA, Marvel! Ha!
I think that made my day.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Copyright law is sticky...

My character, Cerberus Rawr, looks nothing like Wolverine, but you can see the resemblence in the concepts and such. It is clearly an "inspired by" character.

My character, Supreme-Man, looks nearly identical to Superman, but that can be seen as a parody and thus not a violation.

My character, Megaman-Z, is clearly a violation where Supreme-Man isn't mainly because of complete package which has the name, the look, and cannot be seen as a parody character.

None of these three characters were ever reported, probably cuz i don't play them any more, but if i went long enough 2 of the 3 are likely to be, but only one is an actual violation.

Depending on how close or far away from the legality of it is pretty much how much I would get annoyed with it if someone reported it. Cerberus I would fight that all the way and be mad, Supreme I'd try to argue for parody but understand the ruling, while Megaman I'm surprised he lasted as a long as he has even when I was actively playing him and I'd laugh that it took that long more than anything.


 

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QR: Ah, the self-appointed Costume Police. We haven't seen a thread from them in simply too long! Nothing is more fun that a bunch of people congratulating themselves on being a bunch of online Hall Monitors. Unless it be a thread about the evils of declining SB. But I digress....

Let's cut this down to the bone, shall we? If the people running CoX REALLY disapproved of "homages," they would NOT HAVE ENABLED THE FOLLOWING:

*Shields which can look like Captain America shields.

*The Bat-cape, Bat-gloves and Bat-boots

*WOLVERINE'S CLAWS! An exact copy, for crying out loud. Yeah, that makes sense.

...I am sure there are more costume parts that allow almost perfect copies of existing characters, but you get my drift. If NCSoft *really* dislikes homages, they have the power to stop it right at the costume creator, by removing these options from same. Until they do, I'm not functioning as their unpaid Hall Monitors.

And there the matter shall rest. Meanwhile you keep on keepin' on, Hall Monitors.


 

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I only petition if it is a comic book or really well-known character, and it's blatant. Most things I'll let slide, but Gr33n Lantern or Suuuperman are a bit much. I've also petitioned a couple for offensive names. I don't care about the rest. I thought a Richard Nixon toon was hilarious. Yeah, a Darth Vader would be screaming to be petitioned, but, say, a Miles Vorkosigan? I'd ignore it.

The only one I really, really wrestled over was a toon named after a porn star. The costume wasn't especially provocative, and there was no bio. Since they were level 47, I decided what the heck, they made it that far without anyone complaining. Hopefully nobody who would be offended would recognize the name.


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Let's cut this down to the bone, shall we? If the people running CoX REALLY disapproved of "homages," they would NOT HAVE ENABLED THE FOLLOWING:

*Shields which can look like Captain America shields.

*The Bat-cape, Bat-gloves and Bat-boots

*WOLVERINE'S CLAWS! An exact copy, for crying out loud. Yeah, that makes sense.

...I am sure there are more costume parts that allow almost perfect copies of existing characters, but you get my drift. If NCSoft *really* dislikes homages, they have the power to stop it right at the costume creator, by removing these options from same. Until they do, I'm not functioning as their unpaid Hall Monitors.
What a load of bull. Let's cut right to it and state the blindingly obvious that you seem to have overlooked: if they removed every costume piece that looked like an existing comic character, there wouldn't be much left.


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What a load of bull. Let's cut right to it and state the blindingly obvious that you seem to have overlooked: if they removed every costume piece that looked like an existing comic character, there wouldn't be much left.
Really? So if they disabled the concentric circles on the round shield, removed the Wolverine Claws weapon option and removed the Bat-Accessories, there "would not be much left"? OK, sport.

There are others, but these are some of the most egregious offenders in the Clone Wars, pardon the pun, and NCSoft knows what they need to do to halt the problem [almost] in its tracks.

They keep not doing it, which leads me to believe this is less important to them than it is to the Hall Monitor crowd. Suits me fine; I like all the costume options I can get.

But lets not be hypocritical about it. People tattletale because deep down... they like it. All this moral fluff is just that, fluff.


 

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Bad_Influence lumps:

But lets not be hypocritical about it. People tattletale because deep down... they like it. All this moral fluff is just that, fluff.
Let's not be stereotypical about it, either. Different people have vastly different values and different reasons for doing it. Unless you've become some kind of telepath, it's usually best not to make broad derisive statements about peoples' motivations.

I, personally, never report anyone. The most I do is occasionally give someone a /tell nudge of "heh, someone's going to tag you for that, you know. And you got the belt wrong, use this one..."


Dec out.

 

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Well, I'll amend that: no doubt some honestly think that some higher cause is being served by acting as unpaid, in-game police. Human nature being what it is, though, I think that deep down, a lot of people report because its a great way to get out some passive aggression with none the wiser. Sneaky griefing, if you will.

If some idiot wants to run around as the Hulk, this is actually too feeble to register on my radar. That is an issue for a Game Master to address; they are paid to do that and I will let them handle the situation.


 

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*WOLVERINE'S CLAWS! An exact copy, for crying out loud. Yeah, that makes sense.

Not an exact copy. The CoH claws are mounted in a box on the back of your hand, which Wolverine's don't have.

You're probably going to say that it's just semantics, but that's all copyrights really are anyway. They are not identical, so they can't complain. That's how musicians get away with ripping each other off, which happens constantly. There is enough difference between them that you can't complain.

I get the impression from your post that you're the kind of person that doesn't call 911 if you see a convenience store being robbed either, since you're not a police officer and it isn't YOUR job to ensure that laws are enforced. I mean, you're not being paid to report crimes, so why should you bother, right?

Before you get all indignant, no, there really isn't much difference between sending a petition about a EULA violation and reporting a crime you witnessed. They both involve assisting the people whose responsibility it is to enforce rules. If you don't want to be viewed as a "tattletale", by all means don't do it. But don't act like you're somehow better than the people who take some responsibility for things they see around them. The devs cannot be everywhere at once, much like the police, and need the public's assistance with enforcing the rules we ALL agreed to.


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See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

 

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I petition names that are offensive immediately, I have friends who have kids that play this game.

Ripoffs I will petition if blatant. Bruce Wayne with a pretty good batman costume for example.

I've had several toons generic'd, but none as ripoffs.

It appears any form of drug reference is taboo, so Steroidabuseman a 4' tall 4' wide character with a vehemently anti drugs bio got done. I wish they'd specify this in the EULA as an area that was off limits, given that I've seen many "Ganjaman" or equivalent toons.

Debbie does Talos - which got more lol tells than I've ever had (and I have a lot of pun names) was guilty by association.

The oddest one was The pocket rocket, which has connotations in the US that it doesn't have here in the UK. I appealed with evidence, the nickname has been used by several small dynamic sportsmen here, boxer Wayne McCullough probably being the most recent, and I knew the phrase from there and as a pair of aces in Texas hold'em. I got the name back.

A friend had Kupid Stunt generic'd, as I think they object to spoonerisms, but this name was actually a running gag in a sketch show on prime time 1980s TV over here (youtube it, the late great bearded Kenny Everett in a basque with a ludicrous set of false b00bs as a chatshow guest), so surely can't be that offensive.


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I have better things to do in game than spend my time reporting people for infringing on copyrights I could really care less about. I guess I'm not that big of a nerd that I actually care. Or maybe it's because the companies whose copyrights are being violated do not pay me to enforce them. They could go under tomorrow and I wouldn't care. I guess It makes some people feel important or as if they have some level of control over somone else to take the time to do so. Of couse though as expected there are many reasons why what he has done is ok and what the other guy did isn't. Word of advice: just play the game and let the people that are supposed to worry about those kind of things do the job they are paid to do. It's not nearly as big a deal as you tried to make it out to be.


 

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Claws: I get the impression from your post that you're the kind of person that doesn't call 911 if you see a convenience store being robbed either, since you're not a police officer and it isn't YOUR job to ensure that laws are enforced. I mean, you're not being paid to report crimes, so why should you bother, right?
The equation of some idiot running around in a Hulk costume to real-life crime, including the actual threat of death = epic failure of argument.


 

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Too bad too. I would have loved to see this play out in the courts. If I had to bet Marvel's lawsuit would have been thrown out.
the recent decision in favor of Youtube would be a favorable indicator, well except that was Google's infinitely replicating army of lawyers vs. Viacom's.

America, home of the best justice system in the world, as long as you can afford it!


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The equation of some idiot running around in a Hulk costume to real-life crime, including the actual threat of death = epic failure of argument.
I always get nervous when I find myself agreeing with BI.

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Also, good to see you again BI, where've you been?


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I always get nervous when I find myself agreeing with BI.

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Also, good to see you again BI, where've you been?
Then don't. Otherwise, you'd both be wrong.


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I always get nervous when I find myself agreeing with BI.

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Also, good to see you again BI, where've you been?

lol, I tend to agree with her a lot. She just words it much better than I usually do.

I also agree that it is good to see BI again. It's been a while.