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Is true. i dunk head in milk out of shame now. Still crunchy.
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Originally Posted by MunkiLord
Now in all fairness your post is every bit as arrogant as the OP. And you are also condescending! You sure showed the OP who the boss is!!!!
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No shame! It's all good, besides my post about your post about his post was kinda dumb.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Is true. i dunk head in milk out of shame now. Still crunchy.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The real game design question is "why have levels at all?" Its possible to make a game without combat levels. So why do they exist? There's basically two reasons for their existence at all:
1. Gating content. Levels allow you to gate content so that a level 3 can't wander it, or deliberately attempt level 33 content, no matter how powerful they manage to make their level 3. In CoH, this is heavily blunted with the sidekick system, but not completely eliminated. In CoH, you can run level 33 content with your level 3 *if* you are teaming. So teams get to escort lower level players through higher level content (most of the time) but the content is still gated in that someone in your team has to be high enough to access that content. And if you solo, then the person in your team with that requirement is always you. 2. Segregation. Levels allow you to segregate your playerbase into groupings so the level 40s aren't dominating the level 4s in the same zones, the same content, the same whatever. You can't have everyone standing in the same spot, so the natural way to spread out your players is into different areas gated by different things, and one of them is level. That's basically it. There are other minor reasons, but none without alternatives. |
3. The psychological factor of making continual progress in gaining power. In the case of this game, that's gaining more slots and powers. This is quite a powerful incentive, and shouldn't be ignored.
I'll add, though, that even with the evidence why more levels would be a bad idea, I wouldn't want a level increase regardless. I'm perfectly content with level 50 as a level cap.
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
3) At L50 you're saving the world and exploring other dimensions. What do you want to do at L60+?
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I disagree with OP on grounds of extra balance pases, more grind, and Marlon Brando's assfat.
Keep it 50, add better end game content, not crack and grind like some MMOs do.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The real game design question is "why have levels at all?" Its possible to make a game without combat levels. So why do they exist? There's basically two reasons for their existence at all:
<snip> For example, levels give the player a path for measuring progress, but there are other ways to do that including the end game system the devs are currently working on for City of Heroes. |
It takes a bit to get used to - and the lack of segregation (being FPS/PVP based) can cause some issues when you're dispatched against and/or your target calls for backup. (Imagine, in this game, if your level 10 was opposed by a level 9 - who then called in three fully IO'd out level 50s to deal with you, no degradation of ability or number of powers, etc. There are times it makes it decidedly not fun. )
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You can say that, but it's all worth it now that i have experimentally verified that i stay crunchy in milk. SCIENCE!
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Originally Posted by MunkiLord
No shame! It's all good, besides my post about your post about his post was kinda dumb.
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Besides, the Incarnate System will allow you to effectively gain more levels/abilities without increasing your actual (base?) level. Presumably the end game system Positron has mentioned will add threats that require these additional abilities to overcome them.
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Originally Posted by Ignatz
I would add:
3. The psychological factor of making continual progress in gaining power. In the case of this game, that's gaining more slots and powers. This is quite a powerful incentive, and shouldn't be ignored. I'll add, though, that even with the evidence why more levels would be a bad idea, I wouldn't want a level increase regardless. I'm perfectly content with level 50 as a level cap. |
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Science is overrated. Personally I prefer throwing magic pixi dust and chanting some words to make people stay crunchy in milk. If you want to use such things as science, then so be it.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
You can say that, but it's all worth it now that i have experimentally verified that i stay crunchy in milk. SCIENCE!
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I believe it was Arthur C. Clarke who said that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic? So with that I say Tomato/Tomahto.|
Originally Posted by MunkiLord
Science is overrated. Personally I prefer throwing magic pixi dust and chanting some words to make people stay crunchy in milk. If you want to use such things as science, then so be it.
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you actually take those at the end of the eden trial? I've always grabbed the merits
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Originally Posted by Desi_Nova
So with that I say Tomato/Tomahto.
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I think we've bludgeoned the poor OP about the head and shoulders enough about this.
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I think we've bludgeoned the poor OP about the head and shoulders enough about this.
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awww... okay.
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TBH i hope they do expand the lvls up wards to 60 70...only and ONLY when they've done all they can with the current system.- which lets be honst is going to take what- 5-6 more issues if not 10 tbf
I like 50. It's a nice number. And since this game revolves around me, well... I'm sure you get where I'm going.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
*looks up from the Stealth Anvil Trebuchet*
awww... okay. |
... Then again I got locked out of the house all night because I stayed up too late playing CoX, so I may just be exhausted.
I sure hope someone wakes up soon.
Has anyone mentioned (I tried to read all the posts but I could have missed it) that if the object is to give 50s something to do the same goal would be accomplished by creating new arcs for 50s?
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Crashed is going somewhere all right: I like 50. It's a nice number. And since this game revolves around me, well... I'm sure you get where I'm going. |
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Sort of, but I'm not sure exactly which Circle of Hell is for self-centered egotism.
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Wouldn't they have their own?
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