expand lvl to 70

Does anyone know if COH will ever expand the playing lvl to atleast 70..i aked this 5years ago and still nothing whats the problem?

As mentioned, they are working on a system for further character advancement at level 50. It will NOT be a level cap increase.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Incarnate_System <--- pretty much all we know right now (note that when they mention "levels" in there they don't mean "character levels"

It would be a terrible idea for reasons already listed, but let's add another one anyway : There is still no definitive level 50 end-game experience. I expect that to change within the next year or so, but it is a credit to the game that the peak level is not an end unto itself.

The game grows in a way many players can associate with.

It grows wider, not taller.


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Raising the level cap is a bad idea, for reasons easily figured out in a few minutes of thought by almost anyone.

The real game design question is "why have levels at all?" Its possible to make a game without combat levels. So why do they exist? There's basically two reasons for their existence at all:

1. Gating content. Levels allow you to gate content so that a level 3 can't wander it, or deliberately attempt level 33 content, no matter how powerful they manage to make their level 3. In CoH, this is heavily blunted with the sidekick system, but not completely eliminated. In CoH, you can run level 33 content with your level 3 *if* you are teaming. So teams get to escort lower level players through higher level content (most of the time) but the content is still gated in that someone in your team has to be high enough to access that content. And if you solo, then the person in your team with that requirement is always you.

2. Segregation. Levels allow you to segregate your playerbase into groupings so the level 40s aren't dominating the level 4s in the same zones, the same content, the same whatever. You can't have everyone standing in the same spot, so the natural way to spread out your players is into different areas gated by different things, and one of them is level.

That's basically it. There are other minor reasons, but none without alternatives. For example, levels give the player a path for measuring progress, but there are other ways to do that including the end game system the devs are currently working on for City of Heroes.

But there's really nothing you can do by adding ten more levels to the game that you can't do by just adding more level 50 content, except for those two things. So the only real reasons to add ten more levels to the game is to either split up the playerbase even more than it is now, or you want to add more content that is explicitly gated by XP. The devs don't want to do either, so there's no incentive to add more levels to the game.

Its never a question of why not, and its never a question of a problem the devs have which prevents them from doing it. Its a simply question of why do it, and the answer is: there's no reason to do it. And that's why they haven't done it, and why it is extremely unlikely to ever do it. There is no big revelation coming where one day the devs realize they forgot to do it or suddenly find the resources to do it they didn't have before. There is no waiting and hoping for it to one day happen. It just won't, so long as there is no reason to do so. And there is no reason to do so.

Evidence in point for Arcanaville is World of Warcraft.

According to Activision / Blizzard, less than 30% of the playerbase gets beyond level 10. This means that there is severe disparity between the starting player and the existing player.

This is one of the reasons Activision / Blizzard is reworking the beginning zones and early levels yet again, making it easier and quicker for the starting playerbase, or players with newer characters, to get to higher levels and actually get to take part in the later level content. This goes back to my point of Bad Game Design.

World of Warcraft, and other fantasy MMO's like it, such as WarHammer Online, spend too much time breaking up the player-base. WarHammer Online suffers from it's segregated PvP enviroment. For a primarily PvP focused game, the system winds up top-loaded with lots of high level players participating in the end-level PvP systems, and not very many players participating in the low-level and mid-level PvP systems.

This only serves to make leveling for players in those low levels slower, and they are less likely to obtain good equipment. As they less likely to obtain good equipment, they are less likely to be able to participate effectively in content as they level. World of Warcraft has over-stretched it's own level system in it's blind chase to send levels ever higher. Now that Activision / Blizzard is trying to reign in the bad design choices they are actively torquing off their own community.