Discussion: New Gamestop/Razer Going Rogue Promotion

Perhaps you didn't see the post by Black Pebble saying basically exactly the same thing that GG said, in a lot more words.

PS; Black Pebble works at Paragon Studios/NCsoft Marketing.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

You're wearing white after Labor Day. It's SO in to disregard her posts and make fun of her, even when she's being a valid and worthy contribution to a discussion.

You want to be in, don't you?

I would much prefer them to do away with the caps. -or- ED...

I only make fun of her/ignore her when she's being bull-headed wrong. I acknowledge that she is correct (or at least can parrot words correctly) at times.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

I disagree with your logic. There are several other possibilities for the Incarnate System than adding IOs that give a chance for power activation on a hit with an attack.

<understatement>I don't think that'd be a good idea.</understatement>

ED (and caps) put a limit on what we can do with enhancements (and depending on what caps you mean, power stacking). Without those limits, there's much less freedom for the devs to add new stuff (such as the IO system), and they'd be more limited in how strong they could make powers.

So, you are going to add these pre-order bonuses to people who already pre-purchased, right? Since thats not infringing on anyone who would pre-order from Gamestop (since they have already boughtit) and would make it so you didn't explictly lie to to people about there not being any pre-order bonuses.

Right?

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

No, they're not going to add the preorder bonuses to prepurchasers' accounts. They're only available to people who preorder through Gamestop.

And no, they did not lie to people. They changed their minds.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

They effectively are.

They give DO enhancement values to two aspects, so if you slot two of them, you gain enhancement values equivalent to 1 Damage SO and 1 Recharge SO.

They aren't ignoring people, they posted about it in another thread.

So, are they going to refund people who changed their minds about pre-purchasing and now want to pre-order instead?

Ah thanks, hadn't seen that one yet.

Agreed!! This is not cool at all. I pre-purchased a month ago and now I don't have access to these things.

Edit: Hey devs, how about a gamestop upgrade? I was already planning on buying the normal upgrade when the game hit the shelves. I'm willing the pay the difference but I'm not willing to pay full price when I already pre-purchased.

Perhaps, if people included relevant quotes or links in their posts to support their declaratives, all of this banter wouldn't happen at all.

No one can recall all they've read in a given thread, especially when they are as massive as this one. Quoting previous posts, in part or whole, and links to information referenced actually speed up the dialogue process by reducing or elimating the need for anyone to explain the origins of other's posts.

They might - or they might just twirl their marketing moustaches, and roar wih evil laughter.

No. Also good luck getting a refund from any MMO. Sorry but you prepurchased instead of trying to buy the complete edition. the fact is your not missing out on much.
Now my only problem is to buy with gamestop or see if amazon has a promotion some time. since i buy through them more often.

What really sucks is the proc not working after lvl 20. I get the reasons for that. but man it sucks.

But you did get early access to DP and DS.

The problem with that is it makes using an exemplared level 50 to farm them harder, not impossible. It basically becomes a variant of powerleveling where the exemplared level 50 farms them accompanied by the lower level chars. In WoW it's pretty common for PvP twinks (low level characters with XP turned off) to get the best BoP gear available at their level simply by having a friend's level 80 run them through the appropriate dungeons. BoP limits the ease of acquiring gear, but if it's worth the effort people will figure out ht easiest way to acquire it.

I just don't buy the idea that BoP inherently makes more powerful items more practical. It can slow down the rate at which people acquire the more powerful items, make them harder to acquire or impose limits on how they can be acquired but at the end of the day if you put a desirable item in the game somebody will use the maximum possible/desirable number of them. PoB can limit the rate at which they achieve this (which may be a design goal) but it doesn't in and of itself limit the number that can be used. To do that you have to put a limit on either how many of the item can be acquired by a character ever* or how many can be used at once. In both of these cases it's not the BoP that's allowing the items to be more powerful it's the limited availability.

BoP is a great tool for MMO designers to use in creating a time sink. It means a player has to do the content to get the times (rather than buying them from a farmer) and with the use of daily quests and the like potentially requires a certain length of calendar time to get them all. While I personally don't care for BoP being used this way I recognize the inherent value of it in maintaining a playerbase so I do grudgingly accept it. But in any case eventually people will farm enough of the item to reach the limit of however many you let them use.

Similarly for AT restricted gear having the gear flag as AT restricted would have the same practical effect as making it BoP.

I guess my main point is that BoP itself doesn't serve to restrict total power level in any way that couldn't also be handled by limiting who can equip items and how many they can equip. What it does serve to do is limit the rate and ease with which items can be acquired. Making items significantly more powerful just because they are BoP is a dangerous route to take. They can be made slightly more powerful (assuming a commensurate difficulty in acquiring them) but eventually someone will acquire the maximum possible so you also need limits on how many can be used.


*Side Note: As a player I HATE having items which are better than regular items but can only be acquired a limited number of times, I always worry about losing them. I'd much rather have items which can be acquired infinite times but only a limited number can be used at once. This way if I accidentally delete one or just respec my character such that I now want Item B instead of Item A I'm not completely hosed.

There's this other subject of discussion called "the internet" and one of the most heavily debated topics in it is "can you ever please those lunatics?"

It was probably one of the most heavily analyzed topics of the late eighties and early nineties.

You're seriously blaming her for both your being wrong, dead wrong and your choosing to attack her about it?

Even if you were right, dead right you could have chosen to not be so inflammatory and crass.

And I quoted you for your convenience.