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Happy Birthday indeed
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In no particular order...
Cowboy Dream
Lady Saint
Human Wall
Lara Croft - the player, not the movie/game charater
Witch-Frost
Sooner Spirit
Death Shrowd
Darkness Awaits
Mass Mauler
Shocktricity
Major T
Elric
Ella
Hathor
Ruby Sapphire
Zemuron
kidengineer
Huron
Sammy Davis Jr. - the player, not the actor/singer/dancer
Iron General
Magnum of Menace
Garcia Vega
Storm Vyxen
Nomme
Warface
Enigma
Golden Beacon
Horror Show
Double Dealer
Dasher
Rastafari Man
Riverdancer
and dozens more players I met through City of...
Thank you one and all for helping me, in small ways and bigger ways, have more fun in this game we enjoy so much.
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I went back and re-read the OP, gleaning from it the core point of "focus on community over individual wants/needs/etc". Underlying to that is an invitation to share our thoughts, okay. Here we go...
Every community effort I have witnessed and/or participated in has ultimately left its supporters frustrated and/or disappointed.
Why?
1. No one can please everyone, leading to friction, leading to conflict, leading to us vs. them attitudes taking hold, leading to bickering and ultimately the collapse of the effort entirely. Global channels die and others are born of such events.
2. Player apathy or disinterest, leading to lackluster turn out/participation in events, leading to increased disinterest in creating said events, leading to lackluster... I think you see where this is going. SG Coalitions die from reinforcing loops like this.
I, like so many players, have only so much time I can play and that is further limited by the specific times those hours open up for me. I enjoy a rather robust allowance of time being able to play at least some just about every day. Others, several of my friends, have significantly less 'free time'.
With that in mind, when I can play, I want to have fun, laugh, and really rock the rules by which the system operates. I do not want to tolerate the drivel of people who I do not like. I do not want to explain game fundamentals to players with 40, 50, 70 months ingame. I do not want put up with asshattery - nope, it's not a word, but it's more polite than what I'm really thinking.
Protector's community is strong, helpful, and fun. I said before, you are general treated the way you act. There is a long list of players who will happily make room for someone who needs help. They will go out of their way to make themselves available for this task or that. Scores of people stand ready to pass on knowledge, answer a question, or help conquer a particularly tough mission.
For anyone seeking help, a team, or someone to chat with try any of the above mentioned global channels, local, request, or even broadcast channels. If you don't get what you need, try again later or in another zone. If you get angst and venom thrown back at you, maybe you could consider your own previous behavior. Sometimes people are snarly for no real reason, but that's not all that often. -
Quote:You asked people for their input. You got back a mixed bag of...Originally Posted by Stalemate
The things you don't care about could have dire importance for someone else. Extend to others the same basic courtesy you expect, for [censored]'s sake, or ignore it if you can't be grown up enough to do it.
Please let this go.
I don't see what the problem is.
This is not the best way to sort out differences.
And one, I agree, I don't like it either.
I spoke up, asking to let this thread die a swift and quiet death, for you, Stale. Yup, that's right. Time and again, over the years we've known eachother, you and your posts have come under fire from some rather nasty personal attacks. So, I hoped to kill this off quickly.
Now, personal attacks are flying all over the place, joy. You asked for other people's input, you got it. One voice, Grey, agreed with your general view. Others, there are several, have voiced opinions ranging from "Gee, I don't see what the fuss is about" to "We don't need this, again".
This thread, its drama, and the two protagonists in it have been the topic of discusion on global channels ingame. There, names can be called out, specific wrongs identified, and errors in judgement apologized for. (Yes, I know my grammar is horrible, but I'm on a roll so let me be) Out here, Grey can't call out those who've disappointed him. Out here Elric can't fully express the depth of his distain, and that old soul runs deep. Out here, Frosty's legendary rants are limited to Rated PG-13, which just robs them of so much power. Out here, I cannot plainly and frankly express the grinding frustration at watching well-minded, educated people walk right into the same hole, again.
You asked for other people's input, and you got it. Whether you agree with them or not, has no reflection on their maturity or lack of it. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Riverdancer
Frosty can't talk to Sooner because a dingo ate someones baby.Was it this one?Quote:Originally Posted by Witchfrost
We'd still be good if it had only happened once. After five, six times? We're done. I tried to get Ice to call in some sort of military action, but apparently there are rules against bombing Oklahoma. Who knew?
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Quote:Yes, but it's above your pay grade.Originally Posted by Witchfrost
PS - Is there a strike command?
Serious, I dunno, but I imagine Sooner might.Quote:Originally Posted by Witchfrost
PS - Is there a strike command? -
Quote:Air it out? How does one air specific wrongs and injustices without naming the involved parties? Since we cannot use said names here, it would seem illogical to attempt to use these forums for such a conversation. I agree with Elric, this boils down to you and Stale voicing your feelings about the current state of affairs 'round here.Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
I'm starting to wonder why you guys are so interested to see this thread die. I mean, you keep saying that you don't care...
Yet here you are... Trying to poke fun at some of us because of an, admittedly overly dramatic, attempt to reconnect. Of course, I've seen a few times that drama does a good job of making changes happen...
What I find odd is that you're somehow offended that people want to be friends again, or at least open up a dialogue to figure out what happened. If there's resentment, can't we at least air it out and discuss it? We may not end on good terms, but at least we'll finally know where we stand with each other.
Several others have voiced their comfort and satisfaction at living with the fact that we're not all going to get along all the time - unless there's a badge to be gotten. And, no matter how much one side might want to make up, if both parties to a spat don't want to 'make nice' it will never happen.
You don't like me because of things I've said and done, I just don't talk to you anymore, and I imagine you're happy for it. We, for example, will never be buddies, but I team with you when the need arises. I know for a fact that's not the only case where two or more people who do not 'get along' can tolerate eachother's company long enough to achieve a common goal. Then, after total victory, they move on fondly gazing at their new shiney. -
Quote:You Sir, rocketh, alas you cannot count however. You have 75+ posts.Originally Posted by Witchfrost
This kind of touchy-feely, group hug, problem solving thread is why I have almost 81 months in game and all of 50 posts on the forums. About every four months, someone sends me the link to the latest "let's hug it out" thread, and I check in to see the freak show. And look! Here it is this season! Just in time for Spring!
After more than six years in-game, I like who I like, dislike who I dislike, and that's that. Crying about it in the forums isn't going to change it. What are we supposed to fix?
"Gee, River, every time I see one of your comments on JS I think you're a complete idiot, so let's come in here, and I'll call you an idiot, and you can tell me that you were molested by border collies as a young lady, and I'll reveal that my grandmother threw yams at me until I was bruised, and we'll cry and have a laugh and be friends again and go on an RSF." Is that how it's supposed to work? Or is it, "Hey Sooner, every Hami raid we go on together, you grief, so if I open up to you that dingoes ate my baby, will you stop griefing the raids? I know we can work it out, let's try!"
I mean, come on. It's a small server, we have all played together before, and sometimes people just come to dislike each other. For Christ's sake, it happens. Many marriages don't last as long as CoX and end over dumber stuff. If you want to try relationship counseling in a pixelated universe, you have far, far greater problems than I can help with. -
Quote:Well, if it's a competition, I'd have to say Elric wins as he has the greatest forum sig ever.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Ah. Afraid of a little thread competition. I see.
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Quote:We, Protector, had this discussion after the PvP vs. PvE war. We went through this after 3 or 4 successive Issue releases saw our numbers shrink again and again. We tried again when some players tried saving the Praesidium, and at least once more since then.Originally Posted by Stalemate
Get you to write 500 words in a single post?
More seriously, read the topic's title again. It's an opinion. Mine.
And I'll just repeat this part: "There's nothing inherently 'wrong' in all this. It happens. We're human."
I think, for the most part, we're actually in agreement here.
Each time we acknowlegde that yes we are a small server with really great personality. We agree that polite consideration of our fellow players is much better than hostility and 'us vs. them' attitudes. Each time some tired old issues get drug out of the closest, and one or two actually are put to rest. These things happen over the course of time with or without threads to provide a public forum for such events.
Eventually, someone will find this thread and use it, ideas and opinions in it, and age old slights/complaints/misgivings to spread venom and angst. That is why I opened my post the way I chose to. Time and the ever growing ingame need to team with others will heal most wounds incurred in CoH. This thread, those that came before it, and those that will come in the future won't really change whether people get past their problems with other players. They do provide wonderful platforms from which a certain few members of our community can stand and $&#@ on the idealistic intentions of others.
I would rather not give them the opportunity to do so, but my keyboard does not have a "Blow them up" key so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
And yes, before anyone quotes me and points an accusing finger, I do see the irony of this post. But, if you think back, and recall venomous carpet bombing runs of days gone by. I don't see the point in opening the door to that again. -
Frosty, I #$*@# @#$*#$R# #@#*$# #*$@@ you.
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This sounds cool, I have a certain fiery blaster who has gotten less time on stage than he ought recently. If I can get both of my minions down at the same time, this should be fun.
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I simply do not understand the point behind this.
It does not matter if you are new to 'town' or have been here longer than Peregrine Island, if your actions and behavior are unacceptable to another player - they have no duty or obligation to team with or even talk with you. Period.
Having a 'good community' does not mean we have to tolerate each of our differences. This isn't a neighborhood, it's a game, one we pay to play. We each enjoy our little adventures in our own way, the only obligation is in allowing others to enjoy the same liberty we demand for ourselves.
Ingame actions, behavior, and conduct is the best means by which we can measure other players. Prior bad behavior and/or conduct is itself good enough reason to avoid future contact. If you go on a date and have a horrible time, are you likely eager to repeat that experience? Why then should there be any sort of similar expectation ingame? This is entertainment afterall. Act like a friend, talk like a friend, get treated like a friend. Act like a jerk, talk like a jerk, get treated like a jerk. This is subjective too, not everyone will like what you say or what you do, that's life.
I am one of the oldest vets on Protector. I am a good teammate. I have coached hundreds of players about thousands of topics ingame. But, to some I am El Diablo Blanco. I honestly do not care, nor should anyone else. This is a game, more specifically, these are the forums for a game and nothing said here or ingame should truly matter to any of us.
I can think of not less than four previous attempts at this type of "let's talk this out" effort happening for Protector. None have achieved much. Any conversation about ingame toil and drama is automatically handicapped by the fact that so few players actually visit the threads.
Person A was rude/mean/ugly to Person B on Global Channel XYZ. So. Hateful things have been said here, on teams, TFs and on global channels, and that sucks. But when we put our heads down to sleep at night, those words should carry no more weight than the breeze outside our bedroom window.
Want to make the ingame experience better for everyone, do something small any time you get the chance. Leave grand plans and cosmic thinking to someone else. If 100 people each do one small kindness everyday, we'll alll find a reason to laugh or smile a little more often.
In the meantime, I will continue to do my best to help my team - whoever that might be - and I will continue to call people out for acting like $#%$@. I expect others to do the same when I cross the line, and I will. I will continue to avoid certain people who just plain $%^& me off, and go out of my way to help those who I know never stop helping others.
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Yeah Stale, but
come on, who didn't see this coming? -
Quote:Every time I see you post this comment, I think of this ad.Originally Posted by Sooner
This is today!
Grab your nukes and come on out! -
Happy Birthday indeed
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Hmmm, dunno that any of my current characters will make use of these options, but looks pretty snazzy nonetheless.
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Quote:For both the STF and RSF about the only thing you really "must" have is debuff - x2 really - but there are lots of ways to cover that. Otherwise, both are possible to complete with a wide variety of ATs, builds, and levels game experience.Originally Posted by Nylonus
I am also not so much a fan of "if you want X you need to do Y" Where the Y you need the "right" team build. It kind of harkens back to the old "leave open a pity slot for a Stalker." I also hope that it never becomes a point of "No Incarnate, no team."
As for you last comment, nothing ingame that existed before the Incarnate system demands Incarnate levels to succeed, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. So, I suppose it would be a good thing to maintain as much distance between you and them anyway.
I suspect the upcoming Incarnate Trials and other arcs and/or TFs will have built in Incarnate requirements not unlike Apex and Tin Mage, but that only makes sense really.
Anybody tries to tell me I have to be an Incarnate to join their [insert high level TF name here] and they can pack it up their [censored]. -
Quote:Nope, Kult's got it covered.Originally Posted by DJKyo
Did someone says something about TfT?
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...meh, I still have enough on my plate, but if someone else wanted to take over I wouldn't mind. -
Quote:Kult already has something in the works focusing on the WTF/WSF.Originally Posted by Archiviste
Might be worth it to revive Taskforce Tuesdays...
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This is beyond the scope of the game, but with so many players using Facebook it might be nice to know what they are up to now.
Whether you use the site or not is your call, but at least you should be informed. -
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I got licked...
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twice!
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Quote:A very good observation.Originally Posted by Sooner
And since they announce a new one every Tuesday, you'll be the last chance for some to get it.
