PvP and Badge Hunting Just Don't Mix

Um, no. PvE is pretty much player vs NPCs.

I agree wholeheartedly here.

I am lucky enough to have all the badges I can get on my main badger. It was a huge pain trying to get enough people to be even interested in fighting the RV AVs (and waiting for the right ones to show up)....I think there were a good 40 or so heroes there all trying to get the badges.


There are some things I don't 'mind' per se; like having exploration badges in PvP zones...all that takes is just going to that point...if there are people there, just come back in the morning/some other time when others aren't there...not a 'huge' deal but would probably advise against it.



Now getting things like Shivans/Nuke temp powers...they can stay in pvp zones...they're not badges (nukes have badges yes I know but in general) so it's not a huge deal.

Just a side note, there is no agreement to "play normal BB"...it just says that some people may be playing, "normal BB"....not that you have to play with them.

Haven't there been other MMOs that were purely "pvp only" type of MMOs.....I don't think they are alive anymore; if they are, I don't know of any...

Not really.

PvP = Player vs Player

...so it always involves another player, one can't argue the computer to be an actual player.

PvE = Player vs Enviorment

...so, one could always argue the other players are part of the enviorment.

Nevermind the fact that PvP is broken, the problem with complain about badges in PvP zones, is likely the same ones who complain when they die three times on a STF/LRSF, and say "I'm leaving" and they're already level 50. :/

Face it, alot of players just start to moan when they lose.

Oooh! Oooh! Can we have that discussion about the meaning of the word "Exclusive" next?

I love those discussions. I never get tired of being called an elitist [censored]. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

And for everywhere else, theres Mastercard.

Right after we decide what the definition of the word "is" is.

That was never the idea.

The idea was to draw PvEers into PvP zones in the hope that they might try and enjoy PvP. The fact that it didn't work out like that doesn't change the fact that it was the original intention.

There are curently FOUR zones in the game that you are subject to attack by another player in.

The idea that players are being "lured" or "forced" into PvP zones is ludicrous. There is nothing in any of those zones that you need to have. Badges and temp powers are not required, they are things that players WANT to acquire.

If there was a badge that you needed to have to unlock high level content, and it was located in a PvP zone, I'd call foul myself. But the simple fact is, the only thing there is to do in a PvP zone besides PvP is increase your badge total and get some temp powers.


Why do people act like being attacked by another player is such a huge crime? Does the idea that you can actually lose bother you THAT much?

You can ask a player not to attack you all you want. There is no rule written anywhere that says they are obligated to listen.

If you enter a PvP zone, you are acknowledging that you might be attacked by another player.

Okay, analogy time:

You walk into a canyon. At the entrance of the canyon you see a sign that says: "Danger: Falling Rocks".

Now, you have been warned that the possibility of being struck by a falling rock exists in this canyon. If you choose to enter the canyon anyway, you are acknowledging and accepting that risk. Now, of course you're not agreeing to be hit by a falling rock, who in their right mind would? But you are accepting that you MIGHT be hit. Complaining about it later is kind of silly.

PvP zones have a countdown before anyone can attack you, and when you enter the zone you are out of range of anyone anyway. You have to CHOOSE to enter the zone before you are eligible to be attacked.

Once you enter the zone, you have accepted the risk of being attacked.

WHY is that so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

So, simply because you don't enjoy acquiring something, no one should be able to use the rewards in the manner they currently do. Somehow, in your logic, this is better than using zones for the manner in the intended manner?

I hardly PvP. I don't really find it fun with no rewards, I am more of a CTF type PvPer. I do know, however, that if you are in the PvP zone, for whatever reason, there are risks.

If you don't like the risk vs. reward of a PvP zone DON"T GO THERE. All of you that think it's your RIGHT to get the PvP zone rewards without said risk need a wake-up call.

I think that's clear. A lot of kids went into a lot of canyons with those signs back before they could read. Got hit, and here we are.

Or something.

And as mentioned previously (by me, actually, I believe) when the zones were introduced, yes, you *were* forced to go there. The Warzone Liaison used to be located inside the zone itself, as well as act as a "contact blocker" you'd have to see and clear before you'd get regular missions. This, of course, was (properly) complained about and changed - the contact was moved outside the zone, so if you didn't want to deal with PVP, you never had to set foot inside the zone.

So, no, at this point there is absolutely nothing forcing you inside the zone. Wants are not "forced" but choices.

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well i agree with ya. but if a pver asks and a pvper keeps attacking him i find it very lame messing with someone unexperienced in pvp. then again complaining is also lame cause as a badgehunter he can do something else and return when the zone is quiet

i recently tranfered myself to freedom . had 643 badges too and im a pvper . You have a point about what u said i just dont understand why u keep talking about milk and stuff . u made me thirsty

well sorry im not that clever

ty for explaining. i admit i didnt use the word right

I agree with that

complaining and cry for been attacked is lame and i dont support that action , but ask and continue attacking is also lame too *in my opinion*.

that's easy on a dead server my friend. in a server like freedom is hard. i dont say not possible but specially in RV u will have some problems to find the zone empty

Presumably you changed to Freedom for a certain perceived upside. That doesn't mean everything is going to be better. Some things are worse. This is what we call a choice.

i know what choice word means lol. and u are right about that some things are worse. but i only came to freedom for pvp. nothing else. i never said that everything is going to be better lol

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Everyone knows that the RV zone is a myth made up to scare children. Y'know, like the Boogey Man, or Robin Williams.

Perhaps not on Defiant.

And choices have consequences.