The Boot Myth

I just came to this thread late, and have resisted jumping in on conversations that began months ago. However when I finished reading the thread, one thing jumped out at me. Not a single person defending Kheldians mentioned Peacebringers. It's all "Warshade this" and "Warshade that".

I've never "had" to kick anyone as I have always been able to pick-up the slack of a team member. However, I rarely have the privelege of teaming with incompetent players. I have my Channel members to thank for that, you're all awesome guys!

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Heh...I was kicked from a long time global friend, for not wanting to cyber. And I was even kind about it...

"Okay look, you want down my toons pants so much, at least try to get to know her"

"But I don't RP."

"But you cyber?"

"yeah."

"Isn't that basically RPing?"

"I guess."

"Sooo...RP it."

"I don't want to. Why won't you cyber?"

"I don't cyber. Usually I FTB anyways."

...havent seen them since. Which is kinda sad, before that day, I enjoyed talking to them.

I do alot of PuGing. Which I don't find so bad, this is how you meet some really good people. But it also means you'll meet some annoying people.

As I don't mind it, and generally I find most people like having me on the team, it's not so bad.

Oh, don't get me wrong I pug as well but I tend to make sure I have atleast 2 or 3 others that I know can pull the weight of the rest of the team. So, 2-3 of my team members are almost always channel friends and the five others are random folk that we are either veting for possible channel membership, we felt like being nice and allowing the player to ride on our coat-tails or they are just acting as a filler.

Dont forget, Warshades have a KO blow style Hold with a guarenteed Hold component and a couple of AoE stuns.

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That, and because you would be daft to kick anything but the most atorciously built shade. They really are rather powerful, while PBs are Scrapper/Blaster hybrids which, while decent, aren't, IMO anyhow, in the same league.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I'd kick you too if you didn't have SB on my team as a kin. Don't care what your concept may be, if you expect to be invited on a team as a kin, expect the team to assume your build is team friendly; if it isn't, don't be surprised if you are kicked.

Besides, you can rationalize any power to fit your concept, just takes a little imagination.

Oh noez, no SB...must...nerd...rage.

I'd be more upset if the Kinetics user lacked transfusion, transference and fulcrum shift (assuming level appropriate).

Seriously? Grow up.

If I'm forming a TF, I ask for people who have a pulse. I don't even ask what AT they're bringing, let alone what powersets and whether they have key powers that I deem important.

My TFs follow rules which are designed to keep me in check, not my team. A rule without exception lasts eternally.

Any build, any budget, no exclusions.

If I were to ever violate that rule, even something like kicking a petless mastermind, it opens the floodgates to more.

OK, I must be getting old. I had no clue about FTB so I did the usual thing (Google FTW) and looked it up ... and I *still* don't get it. :/

I run TF/SFs for efficiency. If you don't like how I run tfs or sfs you have a right not to join. Telling me to "grow up" because I am being honest is immature.

To be fair, I wouldn't invite a kin without SB in the first place. Nerd rage, not at all. I like individuals on my team that have a team mentality.

Congratulations on missing the entire point of my post. Let me restate it in simpler terms, just for you. 80% of defenders I run into choose one thing or the other to do. There's your offender, that refuses to buff/debuff *while on teams*, and then there's your heal-bot. It is very rare that I run into a decent player that manages to do both, and if I have to choose whether I want a wanna-be blaster, or a heal/buff bot? I'll take the heal/buff-bot. I did invite a defender, after all. As I already said in my previous post, I would prefer that the defender healed/buffed when neccessary, and did something with his/herself in the interim, such as, I dunno, making use of the secondary pool.



Thats why the dev's released the dual builds system. Solo play gets it's own build that focuses on secondary aspects, team play is more of a mix. Again; I would hope that the defender can do BOTH, but that's often not the case. At least, not on my server. Maybe your server magically filters out the noobs? That sounds nice.

Warshades can blast opponents into day-after-tomorrow, but *can* they heal other people? Nope!

Personally, I much prefer playing a Peacebringer than a Warshade. The whole "drain their essence" thing (while visually stunning) is about what I would expect from "The Dark Ones".

Fade To Black.

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Looks like he rolled a 20. The revived part of the thread is now officially longer than the dead part was.

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Oh, no, quite the contrary. Your "point" wasn't missed, it was dismissed because it was based entirely on erroneous assertions and faulty logic. Your "point" was that defenders are binary, only capable of causing a single effect at any given moment, and you are wrong.

You sure you want to ride this train?

80% of all statistics are created on the spot.

Unless you're playing exclusively with */Archery defenders, it's absolutely impossible for this statement to be true because every other blast set is designed to mitigate incoming damage or increase player/team damage in some way.

Outside of */Archery, there is no such thing as a defender who "refuses to debuff". So even if they aren't coddling you and tending to your every little scrape because they're attacking, they're assisting you and the team.

So half of your complaint about offenders is moot. They might not buff you, but unless they're */Archery, they're definitely debuffing for you, even if they do nothing other than blasting. Which means the only leg you have to stand on is that you're dissatisfied with defenders who don't buff you when you want, where you want and how you want.

My tears, they flow copiously for you.

Oh, sorry, let me restate that in simpler terms, just for you.

QQ.

And who determines when it's "neccessary" (sic)? No, wait, I know this one! You, right? Because you're Important and Special, and any other consideration, such as the defender being sick of chasing people halfway across the map to drop short duration buffs on them, or fighting to stay alive because some fool dragged half of Hell back to the team and no-one is even trying to pull the aggro off of him/her, or being even remotely intelligent enough to watch and gauge team performance and decide what buffs might be necessary (if any), is irrelevant.

Now, this is the part where you inform me that you graciously request buffs, but only after seeing that they haven't been granted after the entire team has patiently waited for, oh, hell, HOURS, and it's with dismay that you discover that 80% of these defenders don't even take their buffs, and only with a heavy heart do you click on that Kick button. For the good of your team, of course. Trust me, I'll believe it. I'm that gullible. I even believe that your on-the-spot statistic of buffing defenders is an accurate reflection of the situation. I'm that dumb. Seriously.

Yeah, the PvP enthusiasts who had been asking for this for as long as PvP has been in the game had nothing to do with it. It was purely a PvE-oriented change, specifically because it's impossible to make a defender build which is viable solo and in teams. Defenders are binary, right?

It's funny, but if there were an "idiot defenders who don't buff/debuff" problem of that magnitude on Protector, I'd expect to find some evidence of it in the Protector forum... and it's not there. I don't see any complaints about 80% of the defenders that people team with being incompetent "wanna-be blasters". I'm not seeing any threads at all about bad defender experiences.

You know what the commonality of all of those bad defender experiences is?

You. But that must be nothing more than an astounding coincidence, right?

Apparently all of the servers I play on do. I haven't run into you yet.

Still want to ride this train?

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Yes... you are. I've been - and seen others - booted for all sorts of ridiculous and arbitrary reasons, not in the least was power selections:

Common reasons I see/have been kicked for:

* u r tank wit no tauntz, lrn2ply
* u r 'fender wit no healz. lrn2ply
* u r 'mm wit no petz. lrn2ply
* y u pick/not pick >fill in the blank<, lrn2ply
* lol >enter power set here< sux, lrn2ply
* u not keep my tank alive, lrn2play
* u r lolstalker, thx 4 padding but we need room 4 real toonz, lrn2ply
* u r lolta 'fender, thx 4 padding but we need room 4 REAL 'fender, lrn2ply
* u r lolrper, less qq more pew-pew, lrn2ply (often this can mean you simply put something in ooc parens)
* gimme star 4 sec, now i pick good mish/farm/arc, u not like, lrn2ply
* u have my sg friend on ignore, lrn2ply
* ur toon is teh gai, lrn2ply (this is apparently the default reason used when no specific trait can be targeted)

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