The Boot Myth

You sir are awesome. d;D

I'm sorry that my MM runs ITFs in character. He can solo the damn thing, so he doesn't care what the rest of the "team" does. Especially with villains on the team anyway, the most efficient team is 8 people soloing.

I've led successful MoSTFs and MoKahns with incredibly less than optimal teams. The MoKahn's have all been under an hour long. I certainly know what a team mentality is, but I also know when it's necessary. This is a game, we're here to have fun, and that's my number one rule.

If someone doesn't take SB because they don't want to hear "SB please" every 2 minutes from seven teammates, that's plenty fine by me. If someone decides to solo the AV with your defender on a run of the mill TF, that's plenty fine by me. Kudos if he can actually do it.

If someone decides to solo a group of enemies on an Mo run with his scrapper, even though he's sure he can handle it, that will upset me.

Team mentality means we work together and get things done. It doesn't mean we have to SB Tokyo every time he cries for buffs.

Yeah. MM = The MMs team and 7 other people

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I agree, and apology accepted.

You need to learn to accept other people have different definitions of fun and the name calling isn't necessary.

Heh, my sig used to have a quote from Kelenar. Something to the effect of:

"I tried teaming on my MM once, but the bonus pets it gave me had terrible AI, wouldn't follow orders, and kept talking without the use of /petsay."

Fair enough, but you have to accept the same.

Someone else doesn't find being an SB buffbot as a fun thing to do. Who are you to dictate what powers he or she should have? The player can still contribute to the team effort with the other powers they have chosen to have fun with.

Unfortunately, the person holding the star gets to dictate what powers he or she should have for his/her team. I don't agree with that attitude but he who has the star makes the rules.

Unless everyone else quits and then forms their own team and doesn't invite him or her.

The newly formed team will still have a team leader.

I agree with this. However, I have to ask, why isn't the KIN making it known that they did infact SKIP Speed Boost?

Unless you're extremely new to CoH, when you roll a KIN, you know when people invite you, they're likely to want the SB. You know, when you put KIN in the LFT Description, or broadcast it looking for a team, or say "Hey I can bring my KIN for the TF" they're expecting you to have SB (for the majority of people anyways).

Now, I'm not saying you have to pick it, but why isn't that part being brought up?

Mind you the same goes for the FF, Cold Doms, Sonic and Thermals who don't say "Hey I skipped my ally buff shields".

Why isn't that being brought up before the team invite? the answer is simple, you're alot less likely to get team invites.

I mean, sure it's a different story, when all they say is I'm a troller or I'm a defender. But when they advertise what they are, they know people are going to be inviting them for a specific reason.

And why the "Lvl 49 KIN Troller lft" when they could just say "Lvl 49 Troller lft" or "Lvl 49 Ice Troller lft".

Mentioning the KIN part means, they're trying to sell themselves on their Secondary. Which makes their arguement "I'm a controller, I control, I don't buff my team" more eye popping as they were selling themselves based on the Secondary to begin with.

NOTE: When I say "you" I don't mean you (Dechs), I'm using you, as a general blanket term for those who do it. Whether you (Dechs) do this I have no idea. But the point I think is valid.

Yup. And if that person acts up, then the other members will also quit.

The leader needs the other members more than they need that particular leader.

Very well said.

On my TFs? It's probably because I didn't ask what his powersets were (or his AT for that matter).

Tokyo admits he would refuse to invite a kin without SB. I doubt he asks every time whether the person has it, so when he finds out they don't, it's likely they get a kick. In my eyes this is wrong, and I won't stay on a team that's run in this manner. We may disagree what a team mentality really is, but I assure you it's not creating a sense of fear that the leader will kick for opinionated whims.

But I have to admit, it's bad practice to advertise as a kin if you don't have SB. As I've already established, I won't care, but far too many people do. You're much better off saying "Defender" or "illusion controller," especially when someone's requesting a kin.

Stop putting yourself up on a pedastool and bad mouthing me. I reiterated "I would probably not invite the person in the first place." I have NEVER kicked anyone from my teams because of their power sets. I have however passed up on inviting many individuals in favor of a more team oriented build.

You're missing the point. This isn't about me. It's wrong to be that picky with powersets, period. Not wrong to kick, wrong to discriminate based on your opinion of ideal. The game isn't that hard.

*rolls eyes* It's a game. Please take your moral superiority complex somewhere else and stop forcing it onto other people.

Thank you.

Oh, the sweet irony makes me chuckle.
Or is it hypocrisy? Hmm.

If the point of above comment isn't clear, then the comments I am hinting at are either meant in jest (albeit not obviously) or said comment is true.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

It's neither. I've never taken the moral high-ground in this thread so i'm not sure where you are coming from.

I've made an opinion but I have yet to hold it above anyone elses. Everyone plays their own way.

Why do people have such trouble with the concept of irony, anyway?

No, not "especially". "Only". Plenty skipable if your goal is to just have fun beating up bad guys.

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So you admit that your stance is of low moral character? Bold move.

Bad players are binary regardless of AT, powerset or power selection. But that's not what you said. You clearly differentiated defenders from everyone else.

Your words. Defenders are a special case. Not "bad players are a special case", not "inexperienced defenders are a special case", not "people playing an AT they haven't really learned to understand yet", defenders.

You then go on to further denounce defenders who aren't dedicated buffers/healers in every reply you make. You ridicule defenders who attack at all, you deride offender builds across the board, but you also turn around and pat the dedicated buffers/healers on the back, despite the fact that they're typically less capable and flexible than offenders.

Hell, your first post to this thread was to lecture Adeon Hawkwood because he expressed disdain for dedicated buffers/healers who skip all but their tier 1 attacks.

So no, sir or ma'am, I do not accept your newly revised and carefully polished point. You've expressed nothing but dislike for defenders who do anything but keep you on /follow with buffs on auto, and that is the kind of attitude that I find offensive.

You expect a defender to use both powersets only to the extent that it doesn't interfere with their efforts to ensure that you stay buffed.

Again, your words. You expect a defender to buff, first and foremost, and to attack only if/when they acquiesce to your expectations. "Keep buffs/heals perma'd (sic)"... with 60-120s buffs, on seven other people, plus whatever pets might be present, running wild on a map, while fending off stray aggro. But hey, if we manage that, we're granted the privilege of shooting off an attack every now and again. How gracious of you.

"Do what I want, spend the majority of your time making my life better and I'll let you have a little bit of fun. Don't, and I'll belittle you and not let you have any fun" is basically what that says. And that's a contemptible attitude to have. We aren't pets. We aren't employees. We're supposed to be teammates in a game, but you want to treat us like indentured servants and give us pats on the head when we oblige?

Wrong.

How many new players have left the game after meeting someone with an attitude like yours? How many solo players never learned how to make an offender build work well in a team setting after meeting someone with an attitude like yours? Oh, wait, I can put a number on that. How about... 80%!

No, in fact, I didn't. Energy Blast imposes varying magnitudes of KB on targets, dependent on the power and enemy level. The end result is damage mitigation, and it can be just as effective as buffs or debuffs when used properly.

Based on the entirety of what you've said thus far, you don't want defenders anyway, so why not just "hire" a blaster.

So in addition to you getting a mad-on over the "problem", you're not even giving the defenders in question a clue that you might need, or even want. And it's totally their fault.

Remember what I said about the commonality between bad experiences across multiple teams? Think about it.

Defenders can buff, debuff, deal damage, control, summon pets, restore HP, restore endurance, change entire combat scenarios... and you think they're only good for one "job". No single defender primary or secondary is specifically limited to one "job", but you think you can pigeonhole them all into that single function that you believe they should fill?

And you won't even give them an idea of which of those myriad possibilities you expect from them?

CLUE x 4: Communication helps.

And we're all quite grateful that you have such patience with us, despite our failures to read your mind and do that one "job" that makes you happy. It's ever so generous of you.

I had my cat in my lap when I replied. Everything is cuter with cats.

It's not an estimate, it's a gross exaggeration worthy of a politician.

No, I won't vote for you.

I've gotten harsher burns from a cold cup of coffee. Try again, with feeling this time.

See that bright light? Choo choo, buddy.

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