The Boot Myth

Only thing I won't team with is idiot/idiot - and that includes the team leader kicking someone for not having the "right" build. I have quit teams when they've kicked someone else for that - which is, perhaps, twice in the last five years.

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I have a Kinetics/Energy defender and when people whine about my knockback...I toggle on Repel.

Okay, I'm making that up. Unfortunately I'm too careful with my knockback and never get complaints. It would be hilarious though, such a waste.

The best/funniest boot I ever got was when the team leader, a Fire/ tanker, booted me (an Inv/ Taker) because he was lead tank and kept dying while I was "taking his aggro away" and staying alive. Yes, that was his stated reasons.

I had a sonic/archery defender I played for a while get kicked from a team for not being a healer. I never even got a chance to run any missions with the team as the leader wanted a "healer" so I was kicked and this was a defender in the high 20's so I had all the team buffs. I didn't argue as I was better off not being on that team.

Also, this is a behavior I see more on blue side than red.

I have never kicked someone from a team for powerset reasons, but I have certainly passed over certain chars for others while forming TF/SFs, though that is usually only when the current team make up is looking a bit "shakey" as it is.

The thing is normal teaming and the majority of TF/SFs are so easy, you only need maybe a 1/3rd of the team to know what they're doing in order to carry the rest of the team, and I'm not even talking about min/max builds in this case.

That said I feel compelled to play devil's advocate for this thread: not everyone who thinks you should have X power is some min/max jerkass with delusions of 733tness. Some of us just see it as a form of "team courtesy" as it were. When you advertise yourself as a Kin troller while I'm picking players for an ITF run, I expect that means you will actually SB people instead of just staring at your imps.

I think the perception of pulling one's own weight factors into this too. To use the OP's example: can a petless Mastermind still contribute to a team? Sure. Can a petless mastermind's contribution equal or even surpass the same mastermind who took their pets? I think I can confidently say no, they can't.

I have saw that before but only from players which only purpose to form teams are for power leveling or farming. I choose my powers always for concepts and i am very happy with the ones i have.

I always preferred to be part of small teams since anything have gone great and my power choices work very good in it. A lot of times i get tells from others asking my Axe/Willpower Brute if i am a SS/Fire or my Shield Defense/Warmace Tanker if i am a Stone/Stone Tanker but only from the kind of player i have mention above.

95% of the times most players don't care about that.

(I'm in a good and relaxed mood and replying casually, just in case that's not clear in the text below. Sometimes it's helpful to make that clear)

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood Even with other characters who ignore half their powers my problem isn't so much that they are ignoring their power it's that they are so damn smug about it. Admittedly it's a small sample size and they were all Empathy Defenders but they all insisted that their build was the one true way to build an Empathy Defender.

See that's the complete reverse of it and I know and understand exactly what you're talking about. And I remember players boisterously claiming that skipping these powers is the only smart way to ever play this powerset and/or AT.
In that case it was (Or is, for such people that still feel this way), "The attacks suck! They are a waste! I heal and buff, not attack!".

Well, okay, if someone wants to do that for themselves, for either personal preference of playstyle, conceptual reasons or just to try out something different... Fine!
However, it is not simply correct by default.

And neither is the reverse... claiming that someone should never do that.

Honestly, people claiming this stuff on both sides of the argument are equally flat out wrong.

Now... Me... I dance to the beat of my own drum in all walks and defend anyone who wishes to do so in any field, any time.

What it all comes down to is performance.

To judge beforehand is to jump to conclusions.

Hey, I think we've all been in a situation where it is pretty clear how it will play out.
However, I think we've all also seen how much you can overcome in this game.. and, honestly, how fun is it when you do?
(I Can't tell you how many times I've been in situations where people think it's impossible... but, with a little positive re-enforcement and a bit of strategy... we prevail)

Anyone who, in performance, disrupts or hurts the fun... They need to be corrected or kicked or whatever. That has no bearing on build (How many idiots have you seen with the "correct" cookie cutter build that will destroy fun if left unchecked? I've seen many!).
I've seen too many players on odd builds that perform well enough (And even exceptionally well) to worry about what powers someone has chosen.

Now... newbies who clearly just didn't realize that they need certain defensive toggles in order to survive the way they are playing? They can certainly benefit from some helpful advice and such.

Otherwise... Don't presume you're in a position to edjemucate everyone to your preferred conformity!

I was kicked from an ITF for using Rain of Fire after being told not too. I'm not a big fan of being told to "not do X" and it tends to make me do it more and to greater effect.

EDIT: i haz 8000 posts. i haz cheezburger?

Anyone who kicks my Warshade from a team apparently has something against invincible death dealing aliens who out blasts a blaster and can tank when the going gets rough.

But hey, it takes all types.

I don't see it happen too often either, but I opinion on it is that if a team is going to kick you for your build choices, you wouldn't want to be on that team anyway.

Wow, i guess i understand now why some people dont want the servers to merge... assuming that most of these stories and the rude tells in another topic come mostly from highly populated servers.
A year and a half ago,my first toon was an nrg/nrg blaster. leveld till 48 and never got kicked from a team, but some people did say they hate kb on a blaster. tbh i never was even upset, knowing that i loved my 2 aoes in a tight packed mob. One of my friends (Nidalap) actually went through all the trouble in aiding me and my friend to do our midnightersand then to form a team for the all mighty itf we wanted to try. never had more fun
And then in i14i got my own lil fire.kin that never had speed boost. people asked for it in teams but always said sorry, dont play with it. the reason was tha t my play style was ... dealing damage and not chasing team mates to boost. never had an issue with that and lack of sb never ruined any of the pugs i was in. and also never encountered any of the kicking on Guaardian due to powers or powersets. tbh i cant remember the name of the tf i was in a few months ago , but i do remember falling asleep after it started and not having any complaints about it lol . lesson well learned , to not play while tired and in bed.
From what i read so far, Guardian is far better in terms of players than other servers.

I was told "don't use propel" once on my grav troller, because the leader (tank) was so hung up on herding - I had already only been using it on things under the influence of Gravity Distortion, which grants knockback protection. He admonished the whole team to not screw up the herds if they wanted the XP to keep coming... yeah, I stayed on for about two missions, and told the tank exactly what I thought of him in team chat before I quit.

He didn't respond.

My fire tank got kicked from an ITF for not being fully IO'd because the leader didn't believe fire tanks could contribute to a team without spending millions on IOs.

I loved Taskmistress with her pistols and bow but no henchmen. Was eventually gonna get them but she has to train first.