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You only just figured that out? Been that way since they gutted the European offices and moved all our support to US times. As an aside I'd like to point it would be more to do with NCSoft, not Paragon Studios though.|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
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We know where we are now with Paragon Studios. The message is very simple: If you're not in North America, you don't matter. |
Hopefully they'll just drop the charade and merge the server lists together. I'm sick of this crappy, artifical divide. Europe just seems to get the bad end of the divide every time. Less servers (and hence only 24 character slots, unless you want to pay for them). A "free server transfer" offer which is a slap in the face. Non-suitable update times.
I'd even happily take an optional EU -> US character transfer at this stage, ta.
Um, yay. So how on Earth I'm going to buy the expansion now :s
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Digitally, although if possible via a medium other than the NCSoft site as it tends to break under heavy loads, going on previous experience.|
Originally Posted by Velinia
Um, yay. So how on Earth I'm going to buy the expansion now :s
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Hopefully Steam will have it, assuming I bother with it (going to wait for honest reviews, concrete details and feedback before I decide).
The thing a lot of people don't seem to realise it is the retailers who decide what to stock on their shelves, not NCSoft.
The reason NCSoft are not producing boxes in the EU is that none of the EU retailers will stock them. There is no point in printing a load of disks and boxes if they are just going to sit in a warehouse somewhere.
And, as it has already been pointed out, buying a disk is fast becoming obselecent anyway. Give it two or three more years and you will only be able to get games by download.
Here is a prediction: SWTOR will be the fist AAA full price game to sell over 1 million copies (and more than retail)by digital download.
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I'm not that bothered that the box set is only sold in the US.
It includes nothing that we EU players woudln't get anyway.
The box includes City of Heroes/Villans. Well I got that already. It includes the GR expansion. Well we can buy it digitally (with the correct exchange rate I might add - a rare sight indeed!).
The Item Pack we can buy in July.
So do you really want the cardboard box that much? You CAN order it from US Amazon, for example, if it's that important.
This is nothing compared to other MMO's and their deals.
Star Trek Online special edition box included a metal commbadge in the US, but we Europeans were treated to an ugly L-size T-shirt.
(As the Comicbook Store Guy in Simpsons once said, what were they thinking. Size L won't fit the average trekker 
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Not to mention CodeM and Lotro, who decided that a good pre-order bonus for Europeans would be no pre-order bonuses of any kind. Compare that to the US side...
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2 or 3 more years? Nope. Don't think so (especially with the PSPGo floundering and flopping its way to oblivion). 5-10 years? Maybe.|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
The thing a lot of people don't seem to realise it is the retailers who decide what to stock on their shelves, not NCSoft.
The reason NCSoft are not producing boxes in the EU is that none of the EU retailers will stock them. There is no point in printing a load of disks and boxes if they are just going to sit in a warehouse somewhere. And, as it has already been pointed out, buying a disk is fast becoming obselecent anyway. Give it two or three more years and you will only be able to get games by download. |
All that said I do prefer digital purchasing anyway, when it's done right (Stardock and Steam do it well, EA less so).
Completely agree with all rants above.. All of them! Incl. HR!
What we have here is a no to low advertizing... and no box on the shelves (even though every other game has one... and all are overshadowed by WOW. Stated already that that game has its own wall). Every idiot can see that this will bring none to few new players to the EU servers.
The only add we saw was online last year... And that also linked to the US version which brought new players to the US servers. Incl players from the EU!!!
Let's merge the server lists... merge the account servers... and have it done with. Before the population EU is so low that a shutting down like in Korea will be needed!
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
The thing a lot of people don't seem to realise it is the retailers who decide what to stock on their shelves, not NCSoft.
The reason NCSoft are not producing boxes in the EU is that none of the EU retailers will stock them. There is no point in printing a load of disks and boxes if they are just going to sit in a warehouse somewhere. And, as it has already been pointed out, buying a disk is fast becoming obselecent anyway. Give it two or three more years and you will only be able to get games by download. |
Sure, nobody forces retailers to stock specific product but very often the distributor will offer incentives that will encourage trade. This can be very varied, and can involve signage, bulk discounts, grab-backs on units sold and will generally involve a big promotion in the relevant industry trade press. Most retailers will want to get a good deal on stocking the lastest new shiny because that will encourage people into their premises - traffic is valuable.
Games will never be only available by download. Just as predictions that the CD-Rom would kill off the soft back book have proven false, so your claim is specious. People enjoy collecting those leisure items and people such as the games audience enjoy the extras that come with the boxes, be it a map, a badge, teeshirt or whatever it may be. So long as there are people, there will be physical product.
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When i think to myself i want to buy a new game i always go to the games stores in my town centre and look at anything thats on the shelves. I have never gone looking for a game to download via something such as steam, even one of my favourite games [football manager 2010] was available via download yet i didnt know about it until i had bought the box and it told me it was inside.
Think what most people are saying here is that it'ld be nice to have a boxset for ourselves [easy enough to get one shipped over if that desperate we'll all agree] but we are happy to download it too. The problem is, is that without a box set, the chances of an influx of new players is very low. I could be wrong and it could work out great but being realistic, not likely.
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thats exactly everyones point with out a box on the shelves, how the hell are we meant to revive our servers?!? the only reason i stumbles across CoH was because of a boxed copy on the shelves many x mases ago when buying gifts! how are others meant to come across the game when they dont see or hear about it do a freakin server merge! or tv ad or somthing"!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Think what most people are saying here is that it'ld be nice to have a boxset for ourselves [easy enough to get one shipped over if that desperate we'll all agree] but we are happy to download it too. The problem is, is that without a box set, the chances of an influx of new players is very low. I could be wrong and it could work out great but being realistic, not likely. |
i still think these should be shown on TV for TV AD, i think they would get some people interested as they might go WTF is that about or something similar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYk5...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEOX...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM-EnSYKXHw
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Well, you balance me out then. I've never gone to a game shop to look for a random game. I have, however, gone browsing through Steam to see whether they had anything I fancied. (They didn't.)|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
When i think to myself i want to buy a new game i always go to the games stores in my town centre and look at anything thats on the shelves. I have never gone looking for a game to download via something such as steam, even one of my favourite games [football manager 2010] was available via download yet i didnt know about it until i had bought the box and it told me it was inside.
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| Think what most people are saying here is that it'ld be nice to have a boxset for ourselves [easy enough to get one shipped over if that desperate we'll all agree] but we are happy to download it too. The problem is, is that without a box set, the chances of an influx of new players is very low. I could be wrong and it could work out great but being realistic, not likely. |
Now, we haven't heard what the plan for advertising, or seen what they do. I'd say TV adverts have about the same chance as Satan discovering three-feet of snow on his doorstep, but if we don't get any form of advertising aside from online stuff, then I think you lot can start whining again.
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Well, you balance me out then. I've never gone to a game shop to look for a random game. I have, however, gone browsing through Steam to see whether they had anything I fancied. (They didn't.)
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With a boxed set, the chances of an influx of new players is very low. As suggested above, the only way to get volumes of new players in is going to be an advertising campaign, probably on TV. Now, we haven't heard what the plan for advertising, or seen what they do. I'd say TV adverts have about the same chance as Satan discovering three-feet of snow on his doorstep, but if we don't get any form of advertising aside from online stuff, then I think you lot can start whining again |
Take for example champions online. I have zero intention of downloading it, just doesnt take my fancy. However seeing it in my Game store for something like a fiver with a free months play, i admit i was tempted to pick it up [i didnt though but was a lot more tempted].
I've turned into a proper doomsayer last year or so
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Originally Posted by Forsaken_Empire_EU
i still think these should be shown on TV for TV AD, i think they would get some people interested as they might go WTF is that about or something similar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYk5...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEOX...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM-EnSYKXHw |
Those trailers in all honesty would put me OFF the game
They show 100% nothing about whats good about the game.
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Tv ads are just not viable for a game as 'small' as this one. Period. As much as I loathe the absence of any effort on NCSoft's side, you have to stay realistic.
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Originally Posted by Forsaken_Empire_EU
i still think these should be shown on TV for TV AD, i think they would get some people interested as they might go WTF is that about or something similar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYk5...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEOX...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM-EnSYKXHw |
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Tv ads are just not viable for a game as 'small' as this one. Period. As much as I loathe the absence of any effort on NCSoft's side, you have to stay realistic.
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I don't think too many here would seriously expect a TV advert - that would be a serious financial investment from NCSoft that would be hard to justify.
But having made such an investment of time and capital in the GR expansion then not making it as accessible to as many people as possible seems pretty dumb.
What we're talking about here isn't rocket science. It's basic marketing, it's what you learn almost first day on the job: doesn't matter how good your product is, nobody's going to buy it if it's not accessible.
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Whereas if you lose money from simply distributing the product, then you face an even bigger issue.
Booo...
To most of the posts above...I Happy to know im not the only one who thinks the current situation is above and beyond appalling. it's not 100% the fact that we cant buy the box sets phyically like we want.
its the fact that people buy the game from what they see around the shops. like EU Damz said, people like to buy games by going to shops and seeing whats there. unless they know about the game before they wont search for the game online. ok some do, but its a big place to search.
while marketing has done minor stuff to prompt the game...they havent done anything outside of the US. and if you have by all means shut me up by telling me/us what and where u have..cos like many...we havent seen ****!!.
Am I the only one here who thinks TV ads are a dying media? Especially if we're talking about catering to the audience that would be interested in this game. You're better off spending that money on sites frequented by gamers or even flyers in your local comic book store. Heck you'd probably get more players by doing a special offer on Steam or getting Penny Arcade to write a comic about it.
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Im my opinion without a boxed edition or any advertising the EU polulation will continue to decline or at best remain stable.
GR we are told is a major expansion and yet I wonder if anyone other than current players in the EU will be aware of it...
I'm personally not bothered about having a box, however having people to team with that's another matter.
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Yes, I'm sure demented ranting on the developer forums are an excellent way of getting the publisher company to see how deserving the EU is of the financial investment being made. If you don't care enough to aim venom at the right people, welp.
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To most of the posts above...I Happy to know im not the only one who thinks the current situation is above and beyond appalling. it's not 100% the fact that we cant buy the box sets phyically like we want.
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Yes, I'm sure demented ranting on the developer forums are an excellent way of getting the publisher company to see how deserving the EU is of the financial investment being made. If you don't care enough to aim venom at the right people, welp.
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Deserving? What makes the EU less deserving may i ask?
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Well, if you're screaming about how awesome the EU is and that they should be given equal investment to the NA market it's a good idea to put more effort into convincing them than yelling at the wrong people. But, it's kind of pointless arguing beyond that. People here seem hellbent on playing themselves as victims.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Deserving? What makes the EU less deserving may i ask?
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what the ****!. why do the god dam amercians have to get everything.
i was looking forward to getting the box set physically. i have all the other except AE- where we was screwed again.
if you only want to prompt the game in bloody america then get rid of the EU servers and merge them into the USA servers.
i want an actually answer to this from a RED NAME. i really do i'm sick and tired of having EU (EU not just england) messed around becuase they dont want to spend pretty penny into helping out the game. you'd think with something like GR something thats going to improve the game 10 fold marketing or who ever decides on spending would go all out. I saw crap loads of stuff for aion yet for this game i dont see **** all except the odd mag acticle- thats not bloody good enough.
SORT IT GOD DAM OUT YER.
Yer i know "bad" language is not allowed but im sick of this. i love the game and all its theme and i enjoy the people in it...so WHY CAN'T WE GET MORE PEOPLE INTO THE GAME??? WHY DOES EU HAVE TO DIE. this is why more people play on the us servers- they know more about it.
take a page from WoW- PROMPT.PROMPT.PROMPT.PROMPT.PROMPT.PROMPT.PROMPT.
RAGE RANT OVER.
im not sorry if someone didnt like this post. but its about time people vented the anger at the lack of care for the EU.
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just found this on: http://www.massiveonlinegamer.com/ne...at-going-rogue
clearly not with any marketing/prompting in the EU. if you did then we'd see something. clearly not though
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