Rep Trolls Beware!

BBQ_Pork · 11-10-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood

Well first off, I'm not particularly surprised that you removed the comments since there were plenty of idiots abusing them.

I think the number of abusers was probably overstated. The squeaky wheel makes the whole cart sound squeaky, or some such.

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However as others have said without comments the whole rep system is pretty much pointless. The various rep farmers means that the numerical rep value has no meaning whatsoever and didn't pretty much from the start. On the other hand I used the comments as a means of signifying my approval of a particularly good post (or a cool looking avatar) without needing to clutter up the thread.

Ditto towards the bolded part. But I don't expect the powers-that-be to move back towards the previous direction.

NuclearToast · 11-10-2009 04:38 PM

Even though I'm sure they "tweaked" out the comments to ease their workload, I'm bummed that I won't get the anonymous kudos and karate chops any more. Oh well.

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Obsidius · 11-10-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

In other words, if we can't see the comments, then the ability to comment should be nuked to save hard drive space.

Precisely. Kind of silly to hide the comments while at the same time still being able to leave them, IMPO, especially if the desire is to reduce the rep system to a simple "like/dislike" system.

BBQ_Pork · 11-10-2009 04:38 PM

Just had a thought or two.

Removing the commentary on individual posts, but leaving the effect of accumulating +/- points towards a poster shifts the focus of Rep away from a critique of a post, and more towards a critique of the poster themselves. Not the direction I'd want to go.

Also: being a forums moderator seems like a tedious, thankless job. Like a babysitter who isn't allowed to smack us (even though they can put us in the Time Out corner if we get too unruly).

Lazarus · 11-10-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NuclearToast

Even though I'm sure they "tweaked" out the comments to ease their workload, I'm bummed that I won't get the anonymous kudos and karate chops any more. Oh well.

--NT

That was the only good thing about the system anyways.

Zyphoid · 11-10-2009 04:48 PM

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Man, that's a tall horse.

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Texas Justice · 11-10-2009 04:50 PM

Especially since I've gotten some nasty Neg Rep comments on some really old posts. Are you suggesting Bubbawheat that we go through every post we've made to check the rep comments?

At this point, the Rep system seems more useless than it did before. At least I could get a bit of amusement easily by looking at the Rep comments, whether positive or negative.

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Adeon Hawkwood · 11-10-2009 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork

Just had a thought or two.

Removing the commentary on individual posts, but leaving the effect of accumulating +/- points towards a poster shifts the focus of Rep away from a critique of a post, and more towards a critique of the poster themselves. Not the direction I'd want to go.

Also: being a forums moderator seems like a tedious, thankless job. Like a babysitter who isn't allowed to smack us (even though they can put us in the Time Out corner if we get too unruly).

I agree with that. Also given the rep farming that's going on the usefulness of rep as a judge of character is pretty much pointless anyway. When I see someone with a long row of green lights I have no clue if it's because they are a wonderful human being who regularly contributes well written insightful posts or if they've just been playing the rep farming game (this isn't directed at anyone in particular it's simply an observation).

BBQ_Pork · 11-10-2009 04:53 PM

Well, now that a vicious troll has more difficulty seeing "Post is based on false assumptions, false statements, vitriolic rants and is clearly intended as trolling.", I can still leave that comment, but would be better off putting that particular message in the little triangle just a tiny bit to the right of the Reputation scales.

BBQ_Pork · 11-10-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood

I agree with that. Also given the rep farming that's going on the usefulness of rep as a judge of character is pretty much pointless anyway. When I see someone with a long row of green lights I have no clue if it's because they are a wonderful human being who regularly contributes well written insightful posts or if they've just been playing the rep farming game (this isn't directed at anyone in particular it's simply an observation).

You're right.
And while you weren't aiming at anyone in particular, I just happened to be an example of that.
I had two red -rep statements that were identical (and thus from the same poster) on the same post. Not sure how they did that.
I had one grey and a good-sized stack of green comments.
But I also posted once in the rep farming thread, and got plenty of green from there.
My resulting number is quite meaningless, and I have no shame in admitting that.

For some, thier stacks of green or red are entirely earned on the quality of thier posts.
Some green is earned, some green is given for lulz.
Likewise, some red is earned, some is given from spite.

SlimPickens · 11-10-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NuclearToast

Even though I'm sure they "tweaked" out the comments to ease their workload, I'm bummed that I won't get the anonymous kudos and karate chops any more. Oh well.

--NT

Im glad if it saves them some work/ server space, but without the comments...how will I know when little billy goats gruff pass over my bridge?

Nethergoat · 11-10-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

In other words, if we can't see the comments, then the ability to comment should be nuked to save hard drive space.

the comments, linked to the post that generated the rep, gave the system context.

Absent context it is completely pointless.

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Westley · 11-10-2009 05:30 PM

Rep comments gone?????

This makes me a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad panda.

Hey Niv, any chance that you can flip the switch on an off per account so that those that WANT to still see their comments in one big lump can?

Blood Spectre · 11-10-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Westley

Rep comments gone?????

This makes me a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad panda.

Hey Niv, any chance that you can flip the switch on an off per account so that those that WANT to still see their comments in one big lump can?

That would be nice. The comments in my +rep are good for my self esteem.

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Westley · 11-10-2009 05:41 PM

I actually quite enjoyed the -rep comments more. Not only because they were more interesting but because they HAD to say something to leave the rep. Even a period is more interesting than no comment at all!

BBQ_Pork · 11-10-2009 05:43 PM

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tanstaafl · 11-10-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Niviene

That's the part that got tweaked.

I'd called that removed to make life easier than listening to complaints.

Tweaked seems somewhat of an misleading understatment.

So no one can see positive comments either.

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I see the tweak as a reposnce to the over sentisitive and overly loud.

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Redmanfx · 11-10-2009 05:47 PM

oh my.. you mean people intentionally gave others negative rep? How evil... Bout time something was done about it.

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Panzerwaffen · 11-10-2009 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nethergoat

so where can we see our comments?

because that's the only entertaining aspect of it.

The rep system lost all its entertainment value with the removal of the comments. Big thumbs down to this change..

But I expected the whiners with their bruised egos would get it shut down eventually. Oh well.

Father Xmas · 11-10-2009 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Niviene

That's the part that got tweaked.

But now my User CP page looks so empty.

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Swamp_Goblin · 11-10-2009 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre

That would be nice. The comments in my +rep are good for my self esteem.

I miss the 2 +rep comments I'd gotten. No more anonymous cheer-ups.

Whoever said that the +/- rep without thread context renders the system (more) meaningless is dead on, +rep for you!

Blood Spectre · 11-10-2009 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Westley

I actually quite enjoyed the -rep comments more. Not only because they were more interesting but because they HAD to say something to leave the rep. Even a period is more interesting than no comment at all!

I didn't often get -rep. But when I did the comments were just human idiocy, which is hardly enlightening.

My plus rep comments were great though. Nobody was forced to leave them. I got them because someone wanted to be nice to me.

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Dispari · 11-10-2009 05:59 PM

Doesn't this just mean it'll be easier to rep grief people you don't like, since there's no evidence of it, no way to track it, and no way to report it?

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Vega · 11-10-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by niviene

the rep system is still very much in play we just tweaked it a bit

Thank You!

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Kheldarn · 11-10-2009 06:21 PM

My CP is so empty now.

I misses muh rep comments.

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