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Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
Uhm...standard code rant?
It will be possible for a Hero to become a Villain and a Villain to become a Hero. Rogue and Vigilante are the grey areas between those two extremes. They have the flexibility to move between both sides, team up, and play through the content, but can only use the market on their 'side' until they complete the transition. |
So... I have one question.
If I'm a hero in a specific SG, and I become a vigilante. I can go to the Rogue Ilse and do missions and content there. Will I still be in my hero SG?
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Considering that one of Going Rogue's first promises is new end-game content, I sincerely doubt that Praetoria will stop after level 20.
Rather, I believe that if you start as a Praetorian, you only have until level 20 to decide whether you join the Praetorian Police or the Resistance or in other words: Whether you'll be a villain or hero.
I assume that Praetorian trainers just refuse to train you once you hit level 20 if you didn't join their faction, and if you don't join either faction, you won't be classified as either Hero or Villain and therefore unable to access the other two 'worlds', meaning you'll be stuck where you are until you come to a decision.
Of course, this is all just speculation, but I like to think it's more reasonable than assuming Praetoria is just 1-20 when end-game content has been promised.
Rampant speculation on my part says Praetorian content is likely 1-20 and then 40-50. This means that you can pop off to the Isles/Paragon after 20 and your path is set, then come back to Praetoria for the big high end stuff (thus giving a moral choice in the higher levels - help the Praetorians invade Paragon, or go back to their home turf to stop them).
I'd also theorise that side-switching is set in the 1-20 zone(s), but done in instanced missions so it can be done at any level.
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Considering how light everything has been these days I would be shocked if there was really that much extra stuff to do. Personally I feel they have only got one chance at this otherwise thats pretty much it for me. The past 6 issues have been garbage, I say this because I know the devs can do alot better than this.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
today was the first day of a two day event describing a expansion several months down the road. Do you really think this was all that is going to be in gr? REALLY?
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Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
Uhm...standard code rant?
It will be possible for a Hero to become a Villain and a Villain to become a Hero. Rogue and Vigilante are the grey areas between those two extremes. They have the flexibility to move between both sides, team up, and play through the content, but can only use the market on their 'side' until they complete the transition. |
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Considering how light everything has been these days I would be shocked if there was really that much extra stuff to do. Personally I feel they have only got one chance at this otherwise thats pretty much it for me. The past 6 issues have been garbage, I say this because I know the devs can do alot better than this.
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While I dont agree with you often you do have a point. My biggest gripe is that they are not addressing the whole side switching issue to make it true side switching. For instance most likely the archtypes will still be hero or villain. I was expecting to say make a brute on heroside on day one. To me that means I wont have to waste time doing all the side switching stuff but start out as a brute. The other thing you commented on is the market issue. I was hoping they would just merge them and get it over with at this point but if they are keeping them seperate thats just pointless. My guess is that even the vigilanties wont be able to trade with villains or the rogues to trade with heroes. That to me is complete garbage.|
Originally Posted by QuiJon
Sorry so far im dissappinted also.
First off, we have known of atleast these two new power sets for sometime. I am seriously hoping these are not the only two new sets. And why the heck do we not have a Dual Pistols for Dominators. It would be easy enough to use the DPs from the new set, mix in a couple martial arts attacks and make an assualt set it would seem to me. But over all i would expect that they would take the opportunity of the hero-con to introduce more new sets if they were going to exist. Secondly, graphics... ok fine, i understand wanting to update the system, but honestly just to add things that many players wont probably use, or dont care about, seems like a waste of time. If they truely wanted to see major graphic updates, then why not be working on COH2 instead of an expansion? Third, IMO the whole Going Rogue system is NOT what they sold to us. I know not alot of info was released, and players start to read things into comments. But IMO the devs have for months now let the players live, comment, and post on these forums with the idea that we were looking at true side switching in GR. Not this half ***** system of basicly becoming an outcast. All this new system will do is make everyone choose to be nothing. No more heroes, no more villians, everyone will choose to be a rogue or a vigilante because that would be the only way to play both sides. It basicly is just making the game one big co-op zone. I should be able to CHANGE my alliances, not just break my old ones. Not just that, but this would be the best time in the world to finally just incorperate combining all the markets into one big pool acrossed all the servers. An opprotunity that is being wasted by again having the new origins still have to pay alleigences to either wentworths or the Optimus Prime trucks. It just seems all this expansion is doing is... well basicly nothing. From what has been announced, we are getting a couple new sets, we are getting a graphical bump, but nothing more. 6 months before villians launced we already knew way more about the game then we do this, and suposedly this was to be as big of a content update as villains was? I just know at the moment, i would seriously consider NOT purchasing this update if its not manditory, and would consider canceling atleast one of my accounts if it is. I dont want to be a darkish-domintor, i want to be a heroic dominator. I want to fall to the dark side, i dont want to trip into a grey zone. Right now my money is in question, by this time this comes out i am likely going to be having to choose. Buying two updates for this, play DCUO, or Star Trek Online, or perhaps be close enough to Star Wars TOR that i dont need to be spending more money on this game to get benefits that we have been getting in free content updates for years. |
I just saw BaBs post on this. This makes me wonder if they are going to make the whole transition process kind of long and involved to change sides to keep folks from abusing the market in that way.
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I haz your stuff?
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
While I dont agree with you often you do have a point. My biggest gripe is that they are not addressing the whole side switching issue to make it true side switching. For instance most likely the archtypes will still be hero or villain. I was expecting to say make a brute on heroside on day one. To me that means I wont have to waste time doing all the side switching stuff but start out as a brute. The other thing you commented on is the market issue. I was hoping they would just merge them and get it over with at this point but if they are keeping them seperate thats just pointless. My guess is that even the vigilanties wont be able to trade with villains or the rogues to trade with heroes. That to me is complete garbage.
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But I'd like if they do both.
The way they are doing side switching however, I completely like.
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I'm not sure we're likely to get any new base ATs with Rogue, but I do see room for some "Epic ATs" that are unlocked by something other than hitting 50. Maybe something as simple as starting a new character as a Praetorian starting as part of one of the two major joinable factions.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
There are a few concept still left unattainable. Things like Summon/Melee, Assault/Defence and so forth. You could KIND OF fudge that with existing ATs, but never quite fully, and there are a few powerset designs we just don't have. I once had an idea about a range/melee single-target primary with a defence/AoE secondary that, obviously, never went anywhere, but there are still a few ATs that can be made and be brand new. I'm not sure we can think up a full five decent ones, but I'm sure we can get five such that at least a couple work for everyone.
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They'd be "Epic" in the way that their power structure is different from regular ATs, just like Khelds and Arachnos have different power set structures, and that they'd be (at least initially) tied to the world story.
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I'm really wanting more content for my level 50s to do. I'd like to see cool zone events with great reward, lots of different raids with epic reward, but I won't agree with you calling the following garbage:|
Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Considering how light everything has been these days I would be shocked if there was really that much extra stuff to do. Personally I feel they have only got one chance at this otherwise thats pretty much it for me. The past 6 issues have been garbage, I say this because I know the devs can do alot better than this.
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Villain Epic Archetypes
Powerset Proliferation 1
Hollows Revamp
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A thousand times THIS!!! I think people are jumping the DOOM-Gun here a bit. The Devs are keeping info tight for several reason (least of all scrutiny from the now-competiton) and I think the majority of us have never had a reason to doubt the abilities of the game creators here even when its not exactly what we wanted. I say we give it time and let the Devs do the whole "Leave um wanting more" thing the PR people want them to do. Today we saw the icing; the cake, cookies, and ice-cream are coming later.
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Originally Posted by Catharctic
I'm really wanting more content for my level 50s to do. I'd like to see cool zone events with great reward, lots of different raids with epic reward, but I won't agree with you calling the following garbage:
A Stitch In Time Willpower Dual Blades Real Numbers Faster Leveling Ouroboros Purples Weapon Customization The Midnight Hour Midnight Squad Cimerora Imperious Task Force Villain Epic Archetypes Powerset Proliferation 1 Hollows Revamp Power and Responsibility Merits Shields Pain Domination Dayjobs Multiple Builds Leveling Pacts Villain Patrons Opened SG Base Repricing (I won't deny that a lot of the PvP community was put-off by this issue.) Architect Anniversary New TF New SF AE Refinement Power Spectrum New Character Creator Customizable Powers Powerset Proliferation 4XP / SRSLY difficulty systems AE Refinement / Additions / Guest Authors We need significant, rewarding, character-defining level 50 content, but none of what's listed above should be considered garbage. |
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
If there was a merged market I'd be fine with no trading.
But I'd like if they do both. The way they are doing side switching however, I completely like. |
I'm the opposite, I can deal with them not merging the markets but not being able to give insps to your team mate is just annoying.
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while i really think you are streaching, even for you, by saying that the last 6 issues were bad, considering the ncsoft thing happened after issue 12, can you care to guess what the art and level designers were doing when not providing a significant number of costumes, new storylines and new maps and tilesets for issue 13-16? Because they hired a lot of new people and we still didnt get many of them, so what would YOU think is going to be in going rogue? either they were all doing nothing or were working outside of their usual jobs, which seems unlikely if ncsoft would probably have noticed, or we are getting over a years worth of development time in those areas in gr.
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Considering how light everything has been these days I would be shocked if there was really that much extra stuff to do. Personally I feel they have only got one chance at this otherwise thats pretty much it for me. The past 6 issues have been garbage, I say this because I know the devs can do alot better than this.
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I've been looking at all of the stuff out there and I think I'll save my doom or cheers for at least beta when I can go test drive this expansion. An alpha preview is way too early to pass judgment on the final product.
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Originally Posted by Catharctic
I'm really wanting more content for my level 50s to do.
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Originally Posted by drogoh
I've been looking at all of the stuff out there and I think I'll save my doom or cheers for at least beta when I can go test drive this expansion. An alpha preview is way too early to pass judgment on the final product.
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
While I dont agree with you often you do have a point.
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The graphical updates are pretty neat, but the whole time I'm wondering..
The water might have new reflections but...
Are the oceans still only 3 feet deep? 
Overall though, the expansion has me quite excited.
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Originally Posted by Bounder
The graphical updates are pretty neat, but the whole time I'm wondering..
The water might have new reflections but... Are the oceans still only 3 feet deep? |
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You just need to look at the "before" and "after" screenshots of Valor Bridge to know GR is made of 100% awesome
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The Resistance and Mother Mayhem's fortunata, err minions were tied for third.
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The Resistance and Mother Mayhem's fortunata, err minions were tied for third.
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Originally Posted by JKedan
I thought that and the shot with the Rikti in it to be the two least impressive screenshots available.
The Resistance and Mother Mayhem's fortunata, err minions were tied for third. |
Screenshots are ALWAYS unimpressive imo. On the stills i wasnt that impressed, until i saw it live in action on that video then i was sold without a doubt!
I do think im going to be moving out of atlas and into praetoria once this goes live though
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The graphical upgrades make it worthy of an expansion issue, but I sure hope a lot more gets announced for the large group of players that won't be able to enable the new graphics settings.
Basically, without the graphical upgrade the information released sounds like a very robust issue, which imo given the amount they have short changed us over the last year or so would constitute it being a free issue.
Everything looks great so far, but if you are unable to use the graphical upgrades it doesn't look expansion worthy to me. So I'm personally hoping that "more information to come" is actually true this time.
Yeah I don't think the expansion is only going to be 1-20. That would not be an expansion, and it would not be something I'd purchase.
HOWEVER, I am glad that they are adding a new starting experience.
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