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if they did such a study what I would prefer them to do is to go to the weakest apparent sets and buff them using the strongest sets as a comparable ceiling.....you actually have an in game measure that can be compared situation on situation and everyone is taken to the best the game currently offers.
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It would be hard to find the weakest sets. My Fire/DA/Mu brute teamed with a Ice/Cold corr for about a month, in that month he was absolutely demolishing AVs and taking down groups at an abnormal rate. Now you'd find that a SS/Stone brute in granite would be much the same with a Kin corr........... there's just too many combinations that work well and some of them aren't what you expect. A good player can make the most of what they're teamed with which can seriously throw off the statistics on what's Min/Maxed. Had an all brute and dominator team running once, cut through everything far too fast and yet people would say you need buffers and debuffers to do what we did. If you fall in with a good team then the powersets are fairly meaningless its only solo or on bad teams that Min/Maxed builds shine
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Why so serious?
Live and let live man - if someone wants to play a powerset, let them.
I really hate these calls for nerfs when they crop up - it just comes across as someone who hates to see other folks enjoying themselves and wants to put a stop to all that nonsense right now...
And if you call for a nerf to someone's favourite powerset you can't really be surprised when you meet resistance and they're suddenly up in arms about it. Of course they'll be upset.
Look, if you think it's such a good set, go ahead and play it.
On the other hand if you think it's over-powered, play something else, make it work for you, relish being different from the crowd and let others enjoy their uberness while you enjoy your uniqueness - them playing their way doesn't affect you, now does it?
Like I said, just enjoy the game and be happy for others who are doing the same, albeit in ways you might not agree with.
.......I feel better after that.....
Its funny how some ppl (who obviously dont want certain sets to be nerfed cause they love how op they are) pretend to not know that those sets are overpowered compared to others :-)
Just check the numbers off ss/wp brutes or SS/** or WP/** brutes compared to other sets......
But of course ppl just roll them cause they like the concept and not because they are the best sets....
Claimg those sets arent overpowered compared to others. until some official posts the numbers is just ignorant.
Lets face it everyone knows those sets are better than the rest, but deny it out of fear that they beloved char is getting nerfed.
SS might not be the best set to solo an AV, but how often do ppl solo AVS ?
Which sets apart from SS/WP can solo 8 man spawns wihtout problems without pausing in between , without insane amounts of money put into sets ?
Everyone who played a SS/Wp and several other brute sets like me, knows how op it is compared to others.
Unbalanced games are no fun at least imo.
Why have other sets apart from nice looks, when they are so much worse?
And as i said i got a SS/Wp and like 10 other 50 brutes, 3 of them SS and 2 WP, thats why i know what they play like.
Btw this thread had very many replies in a short time, most likely all SS/Wp players.....
I doubt that if the thread was Fire/Dark or any other combo, there would have been half as many replies if any at all.
Godd indicator how many ppl play SS/Wp :-)
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Definitely an "imo" thing; for example it doesn't worry me in the slightest that someone else might be levelling faster elsewhere with some magic build. If I'm having fun with my own toon, that's that.
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Why have other sets apart from nice looks, when they are so much worse?
And as i said i got a SS/Wp and like 10 other 50 brutes, 3 of them SS and 2 WP, thats why i know what they play like.
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If 90+% of your brutes aren't SS/WP, and 50+% don't use any of the "uber" sets at all, you can probably answer the "why play other sets?" question for yourself.
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Btw this thread had very many replies in a short time, most likely all SS/Wp players.....
I doubt that if the thread was Fire/Dark or any other combo, there would have been half as many replies if any at all.
Godd indicator how many ppl play SS/Wp :-)
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So people really only disagree with you because they're selfish? There couldn't possibly be any other reason?
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Or they're like me and couldn't care less because they don't have one and never will.
I could understand it if you were talking about pvp, but i cant for the life of me understand why you would give a toss how a powerset plays in pve, as long as you had equal access to those powersets.
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I don't have one either. But just leave them alone. Stop nerfing things that don't need nerfing.
Tbh, I don't see WHY there is an issue here.
If you're ina team with a SS/WP brute and hes killing silly ammounts of enemies, thats GOOD! You get the exp with less stress.
PVP, as far as im concerned, is no longer a valid point for ANY arguments about powers, not until they actually look at a sensible way of making it work. For purely PvE matters, they need to fix things that are broken, NOT things that work, even if they work 'too well' (No such thingg, I says 
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As long as it doesn't have an effect on PvP, then I don't see any problem with have some sets stronger/weaker than others.
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Its funny how some ppl (who obviously dont want certain sets to be nerfed cause they love how op they are) pretend to not know that those sets are overpowered compared to others :-)
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I'm not making any claims one way or the other, I just wonder why it's so important to you to change someone else's powers if they enjoy them as they are.
Also, I clearly said that you can't be surprised if people who like those powers as they are get upset if someone who doesn't like those powers can't just leave them alone, but feels that it's their duty to 'do something about it'.
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Claimg those sets arent overpowered compared to others. until some official posts the numbers is just ignorant.
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And claiming that they are, isn't?
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again, I said that this is a completely understandable reaction and you must have known that when you posted.
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Why? Why does someone else playing a powerset that you think is overpowered affect you playing a different powerset?
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So play something else for a change.... good grief....
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I loved to play CoX for a long time now and i always loved the diversity of powers, but lately its starting to get dull.
95% of all brutes are SS/WP.
There is really no reason to roll other combos apart from SS/WP, since SS is the best st AND aoe damg primary and WP is by far the best seconadry.
ALL other primaries and secondaries suck compared to those 2.
I am no fan of nerfs but SS needed a nerf a long time ago, like reduced radius of FS and non stackable rage.
Nothing comes close to WP in survivability.
Granite tanks/brutes have to deal with - rech, - dmg and almost no run speed to compensate the lvl of survivability.
WP has even better survivability with NO downsides at all.
I know ppl dont like nerfs but its a question of balance and reason.
IMO those 2 sets need to be toned down in order to not make others set meaningless.
P.S: I got a SS/Wp too :-)
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HELL NO!
If they did that then a Fire/Kin nerf would come next. Then /rad. Because they are powerful combos too.
Edit. I have a WP Scrapper, Brute and Stalker. But I don't have a toon with SS. Yes my Willpower Brute can survive better then my Shield Brute. But who the hell cares?
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I loved to play CoX for a long time now and i always loved the diversity of powers, but lately its starting to get dull.
95% of all brutes are SS/WP.
There is really no reason to roll other combos apart from SS/WP, since SS is the best st AND aoe damg primary and WP is by far the best seconadry.
ALL other primaries and secondaries suck compared to those 2.
I am no fan of nerfs but SS needed a nerf a long time ago, like reduced radius of FS and non stackable rage.
Nothing comes close to WP in survivability.
Granite tanks/brutes have to deal with - rech, - dmg and almost no run speed to compensate the lvl of survivability.
WP has even better survivability with NO downsides at all.
I know ppl dont like nerfs but its a question of balance and reason.
IMO those 2 sets need to be toned down in order to not make others set meaningless.
P.S: I got a SS/Wp too :-)
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HELL NO!
If they did that then a Fire/Kin nerf would come next. Then /rad. Because they are powerful combos too.
Edit. I have a WP Scrapper, Brute and Stalker. But I don't have a toon with SS. Yes my Willpower Brute can survive better then my Shield Brute. But who the hell cares?
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My other brutes are from the times there was no WP, and i dont play them anymore, cause once i had my SS/Wp slotted i have seen how gimp they are compared to it.
I want to contribute something to a team, i do enjoy helping a team and contribute my part.
But when i am in a team with a SS/WP as one of my other brutes i feel useless, cause he could do everything alone, and most of the times they kill 8 man spawns faster than other brutes kill 4 mobs.
Thats why i only play my SS/WP for a long time now.
And i often see that others brutes cant contribute half as much to the team a SS or even SS/WP can.
The devs dont want farming, so the best solution is to make it for certain "farm" combos harder to solo farm maps, instead of preventing farms for everyone.
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Even if that was true, why would it bother you?
Let's remove all powersets. Brawl only.
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Okaaaay, but only as long as you're not allowed to slot it.
6 slotted brawl is way overpowered.
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Hm read post above ?
Cause I want to feel needed in a team and contribute something to it, and if i play my other brutes in a team with a SS/WP brute might aswell doorsit......
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Okaaaay, but only as long as you're not allowed to slot it.
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Means you can put at least 1 purple proc in it. Or is that going too far on the OP scale?
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Hm read post above ?
Cause I want to feel needed in a team and contribute something to it, and if i play my other brutes in a team with a SS/WP brute might aswell doorsit......
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Oh well i can only conclude that this is a problem that you have, not a problem with the powers.
Seconded, Londoner.
Lack of any real evidence, and if nots not an actual Problem, then it really has little or no priority.
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My other brutes are from the times there was no WP, and i dont play them anymore, cause once i had my SS/Wp slotted i have seen how gimp they are compared to it.
I want to contribute something to a team, i do enjoy helping a team and contribute my part.
But when i am in a team with a SS/WP as one of my other brutes i feel useless, cause he could do everything alone, and most of the times they kill 8 man spawns faster than other brutes kill 4 mobs.
Thats why i only play my SS/WP for a long time now.
And i often see that others brutes cant contribute half as much to the team a SS or even SS/WP can.
The devs dont want farming, so the best solution is to make it for certain "farm" combos harder to solo farm maps, instead of preventing farms for everyone.
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Dude what are you smoking i assume your smoking some form of illicit substance cause your clearly pulling your information from the either. First of some facts about me to prove i know a little something about the brute AT, I've been playing CoV since beta i almost always play brutes i have at least one brute on the go at any one time and have deleted more brutes than i care to think about. Want to guess how many of all my current non deleted brutes are SS/WP a big fat zero. I do have tho a SS/invul a elec/WP and DB/WP are any of these over powered in my opinion (and im sure yours will differ) no there not.
The SS/invul is so end heavy it physically hurts rikti kill him, CoT kill him, Malta Kill him in fact anything with his lvl range kills him.
The elec/wp is good but pretty dam far from god like admittedly he's still very low but i don't see him suddenly becoming a god without a lot of work.
The DB/WP great toon chews through minions like a hot knife through butter but then i hit a boss and bam down i go.
So if Devs nerf SS and WP as you suggest where dose that leave these 3 brutes ill tell you where even weaker than they currently are.
Now if we want to talk god like close combat monsters lets look at fire/stone with the fighting pool a neer unkillable monster without granite add in granite and even +5 boss have trouble denting him.
or hows about a dark/fire with a patron AOE immobilise chews through minions like there not even there any damage they do healing flames fixes the 2 end vamp powers more than cover any end issues and to top it all the devs even gave the pairing a boost by buffing DM. But wait your thinking that's just like the DB/WP you mentioned earlier which it is with one exception Boss die to the DM/fire toon just as easy as minions sure they take a bit longer but you can guarantee by the time the boss is dead all his little friends are toast thanks to a combination of Burn,AOE imob,and the 2 end recovery powers.
So i suggest that you go look at your other brutes and learn to play them cause if you believe SS/WP is the best brute combo out there missing something.
A brute is always useful on a team, even if there's another and better or higher level brute alongside, you take heat from squishies, divide the enemy and while your fury is up you are dealing damage with the best.
I'm running a SS/ELA brute atm at level 26 its struggling to build fury to 50% before Endurance is out (and I have fully slotted stamina)...teaming with a WP brute the other day and the difference was clear but i was keeping foes off their toes and holding my corner at a slightly slower rate....and most importantly having fun on a good team, isn't that all that matters?
Your right of of course having fun is the important part
As to the differnce between your SS/ELA (i assume that's Elec armour) and a willpower brute that will change at 28. You can pic up conserve power and then at 35 you get power sink with those 2 powers (in fact just power sink) your end worries will neer evaporate.
While all the willpower has to look forward to is a +Def power and a self Res
What some people seem to miss is that different sets peek at different times willpower peeks early.
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if they did such a study what I would prefer them to do is to go to the weakest apparent sets and buff them using the strongest sets as a comparable ceiling.....you actually have an in game measure that can be compared situation on situation and everyone is taken to the best the game currently offers.