Changes to APPs/PPPs
By
Baby_Phoenix,
Posted on: 2008-09-27 13:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Why could they not have just added an extra power option to each set? I quite liked hurl boulder on my controller, it was a good power to slot cheap knockback protection in.
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Why could they not have just added an extra power option to each set? I quite liked hurl boulder on my controller, it was a good power to slot cheap knockback protection in.
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This was what I was wondering about APP/PPP's. Why not bump them up to 6 powers per pool. Keep the original powers for those that have builds built around concepts, and add in the new, more 'useful' powers as options.
The only reason I can think of is that APP/PPP's and normal Power Pools are hard coded in as being 4 powers, and the work involved in expanding pool sizes would be unreasonably large in comparison to the benefit.
I'm not personally impressed by several of the changes, myself, as my Archery/EM/Elec blaster's losing his ranged hold, my SS/Invuln/Soul Brute is losing his 'assistant' (90% theme reasons I'm annoyed by that, 10% usefulness), Focused Acc is getting gutted, IMO (changing from +20% tohit to +5% Tohit +30ish% Accuracy (unslotted)) is NOT a zero sum game in PVE as they seem to be claiming. Try hitting a high defence mob with ~+7.5% tohit slotted, compared to ~30% from the current FA (I'm thinking of Behemoths in a team situation, Rikti Drones, Capn Mako in the STF, Harlequin Fencer's that have got Parry off, various others, too). I think I can see why they've done it, but it bears all the hallmarks of PvP impacting PvE, and I really, REALLY don't want to start that old chestnut again.
I [u]DO[u] like the changes to MM upgrade powers. It'll massively reduce the time lag experienced by MM's at the start of missions. And since my MM is Staminaless and has his upgrades heavily end cost slotted already, it'll be a buff for him.
Sorry, I'm starting to rant. I haven't had a chance to actually play the changes yet, I'm reacting off gut feeling. And unfortunately, my gut is sending me little reminders from the days of I5, saying 'you're going to have to change how you play, again'
At this point, I'll just refer any readers to my sig and leave any further comment until later, if ever, once I've discussed it with other people to get their take on it.
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Post from Lighthouse.
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Hey gang,
We've been following closely the feedback and reactions to Open Beta. One of the chief points of discussion has resolved around the changes to Hero Epic and Villain Patron power pools.
We wanted to let you know that the Development Team is working on additional refinements, based in part on player feedback, to those changes. The team wants to have some rounds of internal testing to make sure what we are proposing will work before we present it to you, but in talking with Castle and Positron, they want let you know about it soon.
So, thanks for your continued support and interest and stay tuned for more information!
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That'll teach me to remember that beta means that things can still change. However, based on long and cynical experience, I'm not expecting major alterations during public Beta.
Anyway, more waiting game to play.
Warning:
The above post may contain Cynicism, sarcasm and/or pessimism. If you object to the quantities contained, then tough.
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Electric Mastery
[u]Conserve Power[u] (in Place of [u]Shocking Bolt[u])
[u]Surge of Power[u] (in Place of [u]EM Pulse[u])
2 Minute GodMode. +35% S/L/F/C/T, +42% Energy, +28% Negative Resist. Full -100% End Crash and -10,000% Recovery for 15 secs after 2 mins.
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...What? I have an Elec/Elec/Elec and Shocking Bolt's one of my favourite powers both for looks and usage (No Tesla Cage. Heck, I cant even remember what that power's called). EMP was also handy on occasions, great when surrounded as it's essentially an off button for the bad guys.
This hurts my brain. What on God's green earth do we need Conserve Power for?
In your dreams, I'll still be there with all the days that never came.
And I'll be just a story.
That's ok, we're all stories in the end...
Em pulse i was never a big fan of but why remove shocking bolt it was a very handy hold, replaced by CP that is a waste of time CP dosnt last long and by the time your at a lvl to pick it end shouldnt be a problem.
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Electric Mastery
[u]Conserve Power[u] (in Place of [u]Shocking Bolt[u])
[u]Surge of Power[u] (in Place of [u]EM Pulse[u])
2 Minute GodMode. +35% S/L/F/C/T, +42% Energy, +28% Negative Resist. Full -100% End Crash and -10,000% Recovery for 15 secs after 2 mins.
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...What? I have an Elec/Elec/Elec and Shocking Bolt's one of my favourite powers both for looks and usage (No Tesla Cage. Heck, I cant even remember what that power's called). EMP was also handy on occasions, great when surrounded as it's essentially an off button for the bad guys.
This hurts my brain. What on God's green earth do we need Conserve Power for?
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Must admit I am gutted over shocking bolt, plus being elec, why on earth would i need conserve power?
I also misread the whole thing and was hoping my fire corruptor would be able to get Fire Mastery or something which obviously isnt happening 
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As mentioned in my thread over on the Training Room Boards, Surge of Power makes you go red lightning mode. Red lightning mode man throwing out blue lightning bolts. Shabby. :/
Too much to even get a colour work around?
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Post from Lighthouse.
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Hey gang,
We've been following closely the feedback and reactions to Open Beta. One of the chief points of discussion has resolved around the changes to Hero Epic and Villain Patron power pools.
We wanted to let you know that the Development Team is working on additional refinements, based in part on player feedback, to those changes. The team wants to have some rounds of internal testing to make sure what we are proposing will work before we present it to you, but in talking with Castle and Positron, they want let you know about it soon.
So, thanks for your continued support and interest and stay tuned for more information!
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That'll teach me to remember that beta means that things can still change. However, based on long and cynical experience, I'm not expecting major alterations during public Beta.
Anyway, more waiting game to play.
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So, it looks like they know we're unhappy about some of these changes, and they might be doing something about. I suppose it's wait and see what they come up with next. Fingers crossed they do a better job of sorting out the PPPs this time.
Story Arcs:
The business of destruction ID: 80848
from here:
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Hey all,
I'd like you all to know that I've been reading everyones feedback since closed beta, and have heard all the good, the bad and the ugly.
Just a heads up, but we'll be adding the extra powers in as an extra level 43 power, and keeping the existing powers exactly where they are.
We are doing this because of the constructive feedback we got during closed (and now open) beta.
We're in serious crunch mode to get this done though, so I'll skip writing more info until we're done tonight.
Jonathan
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(Focussed Accuracy issue still stands though... but I can see why it was changed. I use it on a Tank and two Scrappers, but it IS overpowered in comparison to other first-tier Epic pool picks. And not just in PvP)
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Just a heads up, but we'll be adding the extra powers in as an extra level 43 power, and keeping the existing powers exactly where they are.
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See now that makes much more sense. *hugs Bile Spray* No, no, no, it's okay, you can still be fired from my completely helmeted character with nary an explanation... yes, you can...
What?
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What about on sets where there were two extra powers instead of one? Will they get both extra powers added, or just one?
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What about on sets where there were two extra powers instead of one? Will they get both extra powers added, or just one?
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Seems just one power "becomes available" at level 43 (so you'd get to pick it at 44)
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Real quick: The level 43 power has the normal requirements, IE, must take one of the first two powers.
Secondly, any set that had more then one power switched, only gets one power. All powers are being restored.
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I *really* hope they keep the better powers even if they're "higher level" such as 'Surge of Power' in Electric Mastery instead of 'Conserve Power'... overpoweredness for a level 44 pick be damned.
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Focussed Accuracy issue still stands though... but I can see why it was changed.
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Didn't we actually predict this change to FA around issue 12 time?
I really should do something about this signature.
This solution appears acceptable. Now to wait and see what the sets look like with 1 added power.
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The business of destruction ID: 80848
And now my main villain has also been messed with without any need/want for my part: I picked Electric Shackles on my Rad Blast/Thermal Corruptor for a reason dagnabbit! I don't want or need Conserve Power, I want Electric Shackles on him!
I am not a happy bunny at the moment! 
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So... now some epic pools have more choices than others? Huh.
Add more goodies to the unchanged ones! 
I seriously hope they change their mind on Surge of Power (looks wise)...was considering taking it on my blaster as its more thematic than Force of Nature but only if I dont get turned into a mass of rubbish. I hate powers that conceal costumes ('Yea lets hide the best thing about this game! Take that Dark armour users!'.....joy)
Yet another update:
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Yes, that level was meant to be 44, not 43. Thanks LunarKnight!
In most cases where Conserve power was added as a second power, it got the removed. (Yes, Electric blasters score here.)
Dominators kept soul drain, dark consumption had to come back. (Soul Drain is better for Dom's without Build up)
Brutes get both Bile Spray and Arctic Breath.
Ice Tanks only get Shiver, Ice storm had to replace Freezing rain.
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(Emphasis mine - yay, level 44 GodMode! )
Well I changed my Ice/Fire to keep in mind these changes were coming to take the fire epic not elec, but it does mean that my blasters will have different epics and my Elec/Mental can proceed as planned to EMP greatness I guess. Now I have one blaster with ST control and one with AoE control at some point I will need one with ST damage.
It also means I could put in hotfeet and have slots to spare, so I guess I should be thankfull that it made me rethink my build
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
Cool. So if there are new ones being added they become choosable at 44 now in addition to what's in there presently.
Excellent!!
And they ditched Conserve Power from elec, which is the best move of all
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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Hey all,
I'd like you all to know that I've been reading everyones feedback since closed beta, and have heard all the good, the bad and the ugly.
Just a heads up, but we'll be adding the extra powers in as an extra level 43 power, and keeping the existing powers exactly where they are.
We are doing this because of the constructive feedback we got during closed (and now open) beta.
We're in serious crunch mode to get this done though, so I'll skip writing more info until we're done tonight.
Jonathan
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YES!!! fantastic Result..
I get to keep Telekenesis..
now.... I wonder if it would be worth me switching Mass Hypnosis for World of Confusion...
EXCELLENT move!
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YES!!! fantastic Result..
I get to keep Telekenesis..
now.... I wonder if it would be worth me switching Mass Hypnosis for World of Confusion...
EXCELLENT move!
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Indeed.
Would it be considered boorish to now start an "OMG, what did ye do? Now I've way too much choice" thread?
Or a thread moaning about how Controllers Fire and Psi mastery are now getting a raw deal since they've only 4 powers each
Whee. I just realised, Carni can now have Ice Storm as before AND Frostbreath instead of the silly single-target attack or the ugly shields. Excellent!!
Glad for the changes now, not that I was personally too fussed as they were intended to, but this is a much better approach, giving more options rather than impose changes is always good thing to do.
Probably, if they had offered another option at lvl 44 from the beginning we'd be complaining "oh you should have made this power available" while as it stands now, everyone is relieved and saying how great devs are... cunning indeed.
Just logged onto test... and I only have world of confusion... tried a respec, and Telekinesis is NOT an available option... any idea when the changes will be implmented ??
oh... and also... is it me, or is world of confusion a total pile of *censored* ???? mag 2 confuse, barely hits minions, and the confuse lasts for all of a second or two...
and they wanted to take TK away for this?? what in HELL were they thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You cannot dream yourself into a character: you must hammer and forge yourself into one. �Henry D. Thoreau
Stalker Mu Mastery... Why conserve power? As a /Elec or /Energy then thats means your able to get Conserve Power twice? How dull...
I've never had complained about any previous issues, but i13 for me has turned into a big 'Meh'