Changes to APPs/PPPs

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The basic tack we took was "if the power is not being taken by the players, replace it with something that is." So, a number of formerly heroside only powers are now available on villainside, and a number of powers have been replaced by something we feel will be more useful in general.[/b]


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Be nice if that extends past the APPs - could mean that things like team tp/fly and whirlwind get looked at...

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I reckon they will, Castle is going to change at least invuln passives because people dont pick them.

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not true O.o atleast with tanks dont see anyreason not to take them.. sure they dont do as much as i'd like but a tank without its res is no tank. i have made so many tanks and passives are just as valuable to servival

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They could easily axe Brute pets (as long as this doesn't touch VEATs), Stalker snipes, and Mastermind cone attacks, for example.

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leave my stalker snipe alone!!!!!!

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They could easily axe Brute pets (as long as this doesn't touch VEATs), Stalker snipes, and Mastermind cone attacks, for example.

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Those are picked by many, its more towards powers that basicly never are chosen by anyone. (like my earlier dispersion bubble of blaster set).

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I don't think it would be an matter of axing all brute pets, or all stalker snipes.

The reason the PPPs have so many similar powers was because they couldn't be respeced. Now that is changing, they can make them more different to each other.

So if a brute wants a pet, he could select a patron with a pet, otherwise he could select a patron without a pet.

Same with stalker snipe. They reallly only need 1 or 2 patrons to offer this, not 3.

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I really should do something about this signature.

I've been making a second string list of good powers in APPs that don't have eqivelents in PPPs.

Hibernate
Rise of the Pheonix
PFF
Force of Nature
Indomitable Will
Earths Embrace

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I've been making a second string list of good powers in APPs that don't have eqivelents in PPPs.

Hibernate
Rise of the Pheonix
PFF
Force of Nature
Indomitable Will
Earths Embrace

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Visa versa, PPP doesnt have pets.

Those first 4 afaik are blaster only, as villains have no blaster counterside (all have either control or protection abilities), i wonder if they would do any good on the APP side.

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They could all easily be put in for dominators without stepping on the toe's of there primary and secondary

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Aye, I was going to add that these would all be for the squishy ATs. It looks like a Focused Accuracy equivelent would be the only new power for stalkers and brutes.


Yeah, it would seem fair to give pets heroeside, especially blasters and defenders, but I don't know which powers to replace, and it would probably have to be an existing pet, since there is a lot of development work in creating a new pet (AI stuff).

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Focused Accuracy for villains please.

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Sad thing is, I'd want FA for my Brute but wouldn't have room in my build for it. I use -every- power I currently have, including Mu Lightning and Ball Lightning. Oh well, we'll see how this goes.

PFF could fit Mace Mastery for Dominators in place of Disruptor Blast? MMs already have it and Corruptors are sure to get it anyway. Everything else on that list, eh, can't think of thematic matches from current PPPs. Coral Embrace..?
And Villains already have a power named Force of Nature in the form of an Accolade Power, might cause problems somewhere?

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And Villains already have a power named Force of Nature in the form of an Accolade Power, might cause problems somewhere?

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Good point there, so its not only putting APP vs PPP, but taking all other powers in account too. Good job for the dev's

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Everything else on that list, eh, can't think of thematic matches from current PPPs. Coral Embrace..?
And Villains already have a power named Force of Nature in the form of an Accolade Power, might cause problems somewhere?


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I think its a case of a functionaly similar power, rather than an identical power with same name and graphical effect. Coral Embrace is possible, and Hibernate or a similar powor might also fit in Levianthan Mastery. RotP doesn't fit, but a different self res might, e.g. Soul Transfer in Ghost Widows set.

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Hm. Some sort of coral encasing the player in a Leviathan Mastery style hibernate power could work, yes. Maybe Power of the Leviathan or something as a FoN clone, too. Heh, Mako'd gain some popularity with non-VEATs this way...

Soul Transfer could work well, too. Well, depending on what the devs do, this could get pretty interesting. As long as they don't take my Crab's Patron Pet... Or my Brute's Blast and AoE... Or my MM's Soul Storm... I'm being selfish, right? <_<

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Heaven forbid and make it an extra possible power you could pick, rather than removing something that a players character took and risk decreasing their effectiveness via IO set bonuses?

I know I wouldn't particulary like to see my PPP Stalker snipe dropped as its to me, a useful PvE power and helped me avoid alot of debt in certain situations.

And at same time, buff certain PPP's that are totally underwhelming in too many instances.

Hell tbh I'd love to see the choices for each PPP increased for each respective level but obviously some sort of change hero side would be required as well then (combine them allowing for one of each lvl 41 power ect?).

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Sorry for the threadomancy, but after recent discussions I was thinking about this review and there are a couple things that keep me uneasy:

First of all, I think it is good the devs take steps in this direction, I just hope they keep in mind some factors beside raw numbers, such as for example, Fighting Pool in which, people take Boxing / Kick not because they're any good (they're rubbish tbh) but as a toll to get to Tough / Weave so although they might show they're taken by many people, doesn't mean they're any goood.-

I was also hoping devs don't stop there and also do some review for powers that everyone takes, such as Stamina and Hasten and give suitable options to diversify builds.

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Sorry for the threadomancy, but after recent discussions I was thinking about this review and there are a couple things that keep me uneasy:

First of all, I think it is good the devs take steps in this direction, I just hope they keep in mind some factors beside raw numbers, such as for example, Fighting Pool in which, people take Boxing / Kick not because they're any good (they're rubbish tbh) but as a toll to get to Tough / Weave so although they might show they're taken by many people, doesn't mean they're any goood.-

I was also hoping devs don't stop there and also do some review for powers that everyone takes, such as Stamina and Hasten and give suitable options to diversify builds.

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Ideally, they should cut out the Fitness pool.
Why should you HAVE to take three powers just to be able to play the game without complete stressage? The only set I know that doesnt need it is regen, because it gets better versions of Health and stamina. And possibly MMS, although I still find it a must on mine.
I see no reason why the 'Fitness trio' should be a 'must-have' in builds. Three less problems, three more power choices in the main sets, and more usage of stuff that is currently underrated.

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Epic Powerset Changes that I've seen so far on the Open Beta Test Server:
(Apologies in advance for the poor formatting, it's late and I'm tired!! )

*** Scrapper ***

Body Mastery
[u]Focussed Accuracy[u] - (+5% Tohit, +34.60% Accuracy)

Weapon Mastery
[u]Targetting Drone[u] (in place of [u]Web Grenade[u], same stats as FA)



*** Tanker ***

Energy Mastery
[u]Focussed Accuracy[u] - (+5% Tohit, +43.25% Accuracy)

Pyre Mastery
[u]Melt Armor[u] (in place of [u]Ring of Fire[u])
-7% Defense, -9.75% Resist for 40 secs, 70 Foot Range, 10 Foot AoE. 3m 20 secs recharge

Ice Mastery
[u]Shiver[u] (in place of [u]Chillblain[u]) -52% Recharge/Speed for 10 secs, 24 sec recharge.
[u]Freezing Rain[u] (in place of [u]Ice Storm[u]) -30% Speed for 25 secs, -20% Speed for 25 secs after 10 sec delay, -10% resist/defence for 25 secs, 76 ticks of 0.33 damage

Earth Mastery
[u]Quick Sand[u] (in place of [u]Stone Prison[u]) -50% Speed -10 Fly and -10% Defence for 45 secs, 30 Sec Recharge
[u]Conserve Power[u] (in place of [u]Salt Crystals[u])



*** Defender ***

Psychic Mastery
[u]World of Confusion[u] (in place of [u]Telekinesis[u])
8 Feet Radius Aura - 10 targets maximum - Mag 2 Confuse, 4.34 Psi Damage

Electric Mastery
[u]Shocking Bolt[u] (in place of [u]Electric Fence[u])
Mag 3 Hold for 17.88 Secs, 16 Sec recharge Time, 2 Sec Activation. 5x 3.61 Energy Damage over 4.20 Secs.



*** Blaster ***

Cold Mastery
[u]Hoarfrost[u] (in place of [u]Flash Freeze[u])
9 min recharge, 2 Min +180.71 Max HP (+180.71 Max HP unresistable), +10.5 Toxic Resist, +361.43 HP Heal.

Electric Mastery
[u]Conserve Power[u] (in Place of [u]Shocking Bolt[u])
[u]Surge of Power[u] (in Place of [u]EM Pulse[u])
2 Minute GodMode. +35% S/L/F/C/T, +42% Energy, +28% Negative Resist. Full -100% End Crash and -10,000% Recovery for 15 secs after 2 mins.

Munitions Mastery
[u]Survellance[u] (in place of [u]Sleep Grenade[u])
Shows foes stats and -14% Resist for 20 secs. 80 feet range, 45 Sec Recharge.



*** Stalker ***

Soul Mastery
[u]Shadow Meld[u] (in place of [u]Summon Widow[u])
+30% Defence self-buff click for 20 secs, 5.2 end, 3 sec activation, 90 secs recharge.

Mace Mastery
[u]Disruptor Blast[u] (in Place of [u]Summon Spiderlings[u])
80 feet range, 15 feet radius AoE. 28.81 Smashing Damage, 27.81 Energy Damage. 10% chance for Mag 2.08 KB. 32 Sec Rech, 2 sec activation, 19 end.

Leviathian Mastery
[u]Hibernate[u] (in place of [u]Summon Guardian[u])
4 min recharge, +1000% Regen, +400% Recovery.

Mu Mastery
[u]Conserve Power[u] (in place of [u]Summon Adept[u])
10 min recharge, 90 sec duration.



*** Mastermind ***

Soul Mastery
[u]Oppressive Gloom[u] (Mag 2, in place of [u]Night Fall[u])

Mace Mastery
[u]Power Boost[u] (98.34% strength, in place of [u]Mace Beam Volley[u])

Leviathian Mastery
[u]KO Blow[u] (in place of [u]Bile Spray[u])
108.88 Smashing Damage, Mag 3 Hold

Mu Mastery
[u]ThunderStrike[u] (in place of [u]Static Discharge[u])
50% chance for Mag 3 Stun, 30.59 Smashing/29.36 Energy Damage

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Conserve Power (in Place of Shocking Bolt)
Surge of Power (in Place of EM Pulse)

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... Not cool. Not cool at all. I was looking forwards to those powers on my pure Elec/Elec blaster, who only had 2 non Elec Powers (Hover and Fly).

And now they've taken 2 powers out for that?

... What about when you get an /Energy Manip/Elec Mastery Blaster? 2 Conserve Powers?

... The urge to level Fusebox up just died off dramatically.

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Quick Sand (in place of Stone Prison) -50% Speed -10 Fly and -10% Defence for 45 secs, 30 Sec Recharge
Conserve Power (in place of Salt Crystals)

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Oh look, Conserve Power yet -again-, and they got rid of the cool ring of stone effect that'd look so good on my Stone Tanker.

Joy. Thanks for replacing powers with such bland ones. I take APP powers for cool, flashy stuff. Not boring must improve efficiency things.

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These affect a few of my toons.
Stalkers

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Mace Mastery
Disruptor Blast (in Place of Summon Spiderlings)
80 feet range, 15 feet radius AoE. 28.81 Smashing Damage, 27.81 Energy Damage. 10% chance for Mag 2.08 KB. 32 Sec Rech, 2 sec activation, 19 end.


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First off, Stalkers losing their pets, ok I understand that they are the stealthy types and don't particularly need friendly Mu mystics blasting mobs, but I always used mine to take the aggro off me, they start attacking the pet meaning I can get into a situation where the mobs have used the alpha up on them as well as the pets holding the aggro of the ones I'm not attacking. My three spiders were great cause even if a big attack killed one I still got two more running around and being annoying. I can understand why others would want it replaced but with disruptor blast? I always try to get as little aggro as possible as a stalker so most my attacks were single target, so why give me an AoE that'll only cause more trouble. I'll end by saying, changing it? ok (despite the purple recipes I had in it) but not for an AoE.

Scrappers

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Weapon Mastery
Targetting Drone (in place of Web Grenade, same stats as FA)

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So I can hit flyers really well now, as long as they don't do that thing, you know FLY! Don't see why this was changed IMO perhaps someone can explain.

Blasters

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Electric Mastery
Conserve Power (in Place of Shocking Bolt)
Surge of Power (in Place of EM Pulse)
2 Minute GodMode. +35% S/L/F/C/T, +42% Energy, +28% Negative Resist. Full -100% End Crash and -10,000% Recovery for 15 secs after 2 mins.


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I have Elec/Elec/Elec and all I can say is that I liked my holds. They were handy, but what I'm getting well I can't say that its too bad either. I could say that Conserve Power is no use, but that would be a lie, especially for toons who don't use stamina (I know not many but we have to take into consideration that people do, and the devs tell us we don't need it despite the fact that every NPC you encounter in the game has inherent fitness, but thats a different discussion) or are heavy end users. God mode for Blasters, got no complaint there, might even get a little cheer when I test it out more.

Tankers

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Ice Mastery
Shiver (in place of Chillblain) -52% Recharge/Speed for 10 secs, 24 sec recharge.
Freezing Rain (in place of Ice Storm) -30% Speed for 25 secs, -20% Speed for 25 secs after 10 sec delay, -10% resist/defence for 25 secs, 76 ticks of 0.33 damage


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Probably not much of a change of playstyle, didn't really use chilblain and probably would use shiver about the same. I will say this though, having more AoE's is always good for a tanker. Changing Ice Storm to Freezing Rain is actually good, I like me de-buffs so actually more useful.

Like most changes chances are I will just have to change my playstyle to adapt and its not as terrible as it first appears. I've been playing the game for 4 years now and if I have learned anything its that the bad stuff that come with changes are generally forgotten sooner or later, I mean nobody talks about ED weakening their toon nowadays do they?

*goes very quiet*

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Joy. Thanks for replacing powers with such bland ones. I take APP powers for cool, flashy stuff. Not boring must improve efficiency things.


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Trouble is that puts you in the minority. Most people take powers because they are , well powers, not for how they look.

Im not saying this is wrong or right obviously, everyone's gotta do whatever floats their boat.

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Well I certainly hate the changes to elec mastery for Blasters, will have to look at one blaster because its become a waste of three powers now but the other has only lost out a bit though I was really looking forward to EMP. I can see Conserve Power going down badly personally but then I dont know how everyone plays their blasters and it may be useful to some. Badly built ones maybe. But some

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"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

I'm really anoyed with the change to muntitions mastery, i have sleep grenade which is slotted with a purple set.
Now they've gone and changed it this means i lose my purple set and recharge bonus which was the whole point to picking and slotting the power in the first place.
Should have given those affected a choice wether to keep the old power or swap to the new one.
Whats the betting this new power wont take purples.
I was finally happy with my blasters build and spent a hell of a lot of inf on him.
very disapointed

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Thanks Maelwys.

So far the loss of EMP Pulse on Blasters will modify the concept for my Ice/Elec/Elec Blaster who i was looking forward to take to lvl 47 to get EMP Pulse, although a godmode is not that bad.

Interesting changes on FA, will that mean Tactics has been tweaked too? Hope they reviewed the end usage or FA or I can't see many people getting it just for a 5% ToHit, although the most interesting feature of FA for me is the ToHit Debuff resistance, which might have been changed too or not.

For the rest, no idea I'm afraid, but I like the fact they haven't changed Dark Mastery for scrappers.-

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I like the fact they haven't changed Dark Mastery for scrappers

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This is true, now I dont hate the changes as much

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"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

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Now they've gone and changed it this means i lose my purple set and recharge bonus which was the whole point to picking and slotting the power in the first place.

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I think you will find you only lose the power, and the purples bonus if you respec.

I might be wrong there though.

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