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Posted on: 2009-06-25 12:34 in Player Questions
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And a troll is a troll.
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[...] And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls.
Er, wait, what?
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You make that up? 
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No he didn't. 
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That went right over your head, didn't it :P
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A rat is a rat.
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And a troll is a troll.
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[...] And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls.
Er, wait, what?
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You make that up?
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No he didn't.
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I'm pretty sure the "You make that up? " was part of the joke.
Edit: BAH beaten to it. lol
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And a troll is a troll.
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[...] And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls.
Er, wait, what?
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You make that up?
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No he didn't.
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I'm pretty sure the "You make that up? " was part of the joke.
Edit: BAH beaten to it. lol
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Hehe no worries, for a moment I was thinking "Did I mess it up?" I'm glad someone got it!
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I don't think they were really replying to you with those comments, but more people like Not Rhino, who likened people reporting petitionable characters to blackmail and extortion.
I honestly have no problem with people who don't want to petition other people. That's fine. So you're good. The people I do have a problem with are the ones who call people tattletales and the like because the person informed a GM that they were breaking a rule.
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A rat is a rat.
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Up until now, the only time I've heard the term "rat" used to describe someone who reports bad behavior is over-the-top criminal stereotypes in movies. So my advice to you is... leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I team with the Repeat Offenders.
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Up until now, the only time I've heard the term "rat" used to describe someone who reports bad behavior is over-the-top criminal stereotypes in movies. So my advice to you is... leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
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BWAHAHAHAHA!
Thanks for the laugh!
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I don't think they were really replying to you with those comments, but more people like Not Rhino, who likened people reporting petitionable characters to blackmail and extortion.
I honestly have no problem with people who don't want to petition other people. That's fine. So you're good. The people I do have a problem with are the ones who call people tattletales and the like because the person informed a GM that they were breaking a rule.
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A rat is a rat.
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Up until now, the only time I've heard the term "rat" used to describe someone who reports bad behavior is over-the-top criminal stereotypes in movies. So my advice to you is... leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
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Interesting thread. i occasionally petition very blatant ripoffs. i find it amusing that some of the "stop snitchin" posters have made assertions to the effect of "sure, NCsoft might have been sued in the past by Marvel, but it could never happen again."
Wrong. If anything, this sort of behavior from companies like Marvel has become more common in the last five years.
Try again.
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i make stuff...
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First off why would you even report someone who did nothing to you. Obviously mommy and daddy never told you being a tattletale is wrong unless you have been hurt in some manner.
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Some of us were raised to respect rules and principles, and to think that when a person agrees to a behaviour, they should actually do it.
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True that. 
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Its called minding your own business. I mind mine but seems some people like to run around a virtual world and police it. Let the devs worry about it not take it upon yourself to ruin someones good time. Don't try and put a F'in twist on my words and state something stupid like " well going out on a Saturday night and drinking a few beers which is a good time, then getting behind the wheel of a car (censored)FACED.
Whoever said that Land of the Lost isn't a copyright infringement because its a name or words just shud up. So if i were to start a pizza joint called pizza hut BUT didn't server pan pizza, didn't have a red roof, didn't look like a hut then there is nothing that could be done, PLEASE!!
Even better how about me making a game or something for facebook call it "City of Heroes" but not super heroes but Policemen or Firemen were the stars of the game and they were stopping crime and rescuing the occasional cat in the tree. NCSOFT would send there high priced attorneys after me in a heartbeat.
"Land of the Lost" is a trademark which mean that it cant be used unless permission is granted. Google was recently sued because the OS they use for their mobile phones is called Android which could have lead to confusion with the registered trademark Android Data.
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Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Congratulations! You just won the award for Worst Analogy Ever!!!
/em presents ArcticFahx with a trophy that looks like BadAnalogyGuy from Slashdot (whatever he looks like). Inscription on the plaque reads: Minding one's own business when it comes to violent and potentially life threatening activity is to minding one's own business when it comes to potential trademark violations in an MMO as pomegranites are to drywall screws."
It's been a while since we had one of these copyright violation/generic bat/narc threads. We need to do this more often since there seemed to be a lot of pent up drama being unleashed here.
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Congratulations! You just won the award for Worst Analogy Ever!!!
/em presents ArcticFahx with a trophy that looks like BadAnalogyGuy from Slashdot (whatever he looks like). Inscription on the plaque reads: Minding one's own business when it comes to violent and potentially life threatening activity is to minding one's own business when it comes to potential trademark violations in an MMO as pomegranites are to drywall screws."
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Yes, I know it was a [censored] analogy, but the poster I directed it at wouldn't listen no matter what.
Better analogy: Bobby steals Susie's favorite pen. Susie tells the teacher, who calls Bobby's parents. Bobby then complains about Susie being a tattler.
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It's been a while since we had one of these copyright violation/generic bat/narc threads. We need to do this more often since there seemed to be a lot of pent up drama being unleashed here.
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Is it just me or does all the drama seem to be coming from a few people spouting the "Mind your own business!" argument.
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It's been a while since we had one of these copyright violation/generic bat/narc threads. We need to do this more often since there seemed to be a lot of pent up drama being unleashed here.
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Is it just me or does all the drama seem to be coming from a few people spouting the "Mind your own business!" argument.
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Think they have trademarked characters they want to keep?
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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It's been a while since we had one of these copyright violation/generic bat/narc threads. We need to do this more often since there seemed to be a lot of pent up drama being unleashed here.
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Is it just me or does all the drama seem to be coming from a few people spouting the "Mind your own business!" argument.
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Think they have trademarked characters they want to keep?
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I kinda doubt it, though you could be right.
Intellectual Property is just such a difficult subject to wrap one's mind around, especially in this day of Napster, and YouTube, and file sharing all over the place. I think that there are some people who genuinely don't see a problem with using someone else's creative ideas and can't truly see the harm that happens - no one ends up bleeding, right?
They would be wrong, of course, theft of IP is still theft but they can't understand why that is so. A good bit of the "I stay out of it because no one s getting hurt" stems from that basic position. Generally speaking, those people don't know anyone who makes a living creating IP (authors, artists, programmers, etc.) so they don't know the frustration of creating something only to see it stolen.
Others just plain don't care.
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It's been a while since we had one of these copyright violation/generic bat/narc threads. We need to do this more often since there seemed to be a lot of pent up drama being unleashed here.
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Yeah, funny, isn't it? They're always the one who start in with the namecalling and argumentative attitudes.
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Me thinks you don't understand what tattling is.
Tattling: complaining to an authority figure about a behavior you don't like, but is ultimately harmless for the sole purpose of getting them in trouble.
Childhood example: "Lisa won't let me in her room to play with her!"
In game example: "Gilagirl won't join my team!"
Tattling is usually an annoyance and a waste of said authority figure's time.
Telling: Telling an authority figure about a behavior that's ultimately destructive or dangerous to either the person involved or others.
Childhood example: "Little Billy's got the kitchen scissors!"
In game example: "Please check out Dr. Bruce Banner on Victory. I'm pretty sure his name and costume are in direct violation of Marvel Trademarks."
The first example is telling because little billy could hurt himself with sharp scissors. The second example is telling because it helps head off a second lawsuit that could, at best, divert $ away from development, and at worst shut down the game.
Please learn the difference. Most of us did in childhood.
For myself, I have a 3 second rule. If in three seconds of seeing the costume/name combination I'm saying "holy cow that's inappropriate" or "hey look it's <insert trademarked character here>" I file a petition. The one in the OP wouldn't even have hit my radar - I wasn't a comic book kid. But I've petitioned my share of Incredibles, Superman, wonderwoman, x-men and hulk clones that were so blatant a 4 year old could see it.
Players are NOT REQUIRED to petition infringment. Its up to you to decide to do it or not, and no one should make you feel bad for opting not to. But the reverse is also true. No one should be making people feel bad for doing their part to head off another lawsuit.
LadyMage... I agree that what you describe is a useful distinction to make. I have never heard it as the difference between "tattling" and "telling", however. Where did you get that definition form?
...wow. When I look it up, at least on M-W.com, it has nothing to do with either. The site describes it as merely about gossip, and neither bad behavior nor authority figures are mentioned. I wonder where they got their definition, too.
LadyMage's principle (about which behaviors are problems and which are not) stands, of course.
I team with the Repeat Offenders.
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LadyMage... I agree that what you describe is a useful distinction to make. I have never heard it as the difference between "tattling" and "telling", however. Where did you get that definition form?
...wow. When I look it up, at least on M-W.com, it has nothing to do with either. The site describes it as merely about gossip, and neither bad behavior nor authority figures are mentioned. I wonder where they got their definition, too.
LadyMage's principle (about which behaviors are problems and which are not) stands, of course.
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Some parenting sites I've been frequenting. It's the distinction that you use to explain the difference to toddlers between being annoying and not learning to solve your own problems, and things the child really *should* bring to an adult's attention.
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4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
That is the entire quote of the section from Wiki that you used. I do agree with your examples to the factors to be considered for Fair Use; however I do not believe that they trump the provisions in section 17 U.S.C #106:
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You are mistaken. The VERY FIRST WORD is "Notwithstanding".
Definition: in spite of; without being opposed or prevented by
That means that the fair use situation is applicable "without being opposed or prevented by" the provisions in the copyright law. Fair use takes PRECEDENCE. It defines EXCEPTIONS that get to 'ignore' copyright law.
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Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. #106 and 17 U.S.C. #106A the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include
1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. The nature of the copyrighted work;
3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
That is the entire quote of the section from Wiki that you used. I do agree with your examples to the factors to be considered for Fair Use; however I do not believe that they trump the provisions in section 17 U.S.C #106:
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You are mistaken. The VERY FIRST WORD is "Notwithstanding".
Definition: in spite of; without being opposed or prevented by
That means that the fair use situation is applicable "without being opposed or prevented by" the provisions in the copyright law. Fair use takes PRECEDENCE. It defines EXCEPTIONS that get to 'ignore' copyright law.
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Run Forest run!
Ironblade burned you with your own post!
Players are dreaming if you think that your petitions are "saving" us from a lawsuit that will shut down the game.
NCSoft has to demonstrate that NCSoft is taking the correct action. Nothing more, nothing less. YOU are not NCSoft, your petitions are not helping anything other than making you feel "part of the team".
I'll petition "innappropriate" characters, but you REALLY gotta be over the line to show up on my radar. Copyright infringements I see, such as this Vision are ones I "report" to the player.
"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"
I have only ever gotten 2 types of answers, "I never knew that, thanks, I better try something else" or "Oh, I know, I was just goofing around, this character will deleted soon."
Never once felt as if I was endangering the game by NOT turning them in to the authorites.
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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"
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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.
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Players are dreaming if you think that your petitions are "saving" us from a lawsuit that will shut down the game.
NCSoft has to demonstrate that NCSoft is taking the correct action. Nothing more, nothing less. YOU are not NCSoft, your petitions are not helping anything other than making you feel "part of the team".
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And too many violations left unchecked will undermine that "proof" severely. Their choices are to hire more people than they can reasonably afford to actively and constantly police for names or ask us to help them out.
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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"
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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.
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So, there are NO GMs in game, ever?
Is that what you're saying?
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"Hey, you might not be aware, but you can't make clones or ripoffs of "real" comic book characters. As soon as a GM notices you, your name and/or look will be gone"
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And how will a GM notice the offender unless players petition them? It's not like GMs just roam around the game all day and all night, on every server, looking for violations.
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So, there are NO GMs in game, ever?
Is that what you're saying?
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Not at all, but thanks for the strawman attempt. But they're not actively policing for bad names. They can't do that and still be able to handle the petitions and other work they have to do.
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[...] And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls.
Er, wait, what?
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You make that up?
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No he didn't.