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Posted on: 2009-06-25 12:34 in Player Questions
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It must have been how you worded it, as I still read it as you equating blackmail and extortion to creating a "homage" character (read- obvious rip off). And since your main argument has been that the latter is "okay", thus the former must be as well (a=c, b=c, therefor a=b).
After re-reading it, I can see how you compared reporting someone with a "homage" character (read- obvious rip off) to extortion and blackmail.
While I take back my previous statement regarding your claims, I maintain that I would much rather keep my Moral Justification over yours.
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It was my impression that he was saying that if he knew someone was blackmailing or extorting someone else he wouldn't report the crimes.
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I'm a glutton for punishment. I enjoy arguing my stance, and I can't stand when someone twists my words without even the decency to quote where the words came from, even if the quote is out of context.
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Pot meet Kettle.
Truly priceless.
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It must have been how you worded it, as I still read it as you equating blackmail and extortion to creating a "homage" character (read- obvious rip off). And since your main argument has been that the latter is "okay", thus the former must be as well (a=c, b=c, therefor a=b).
After re-reading it, I can see how you compared reporting someone with a "homage" character (read- obvious rip off) to extortion and blackmail.
While I take back my previous statement regarding your claims, I maintain that I would much rather keep my Moral Justification over yours.
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It was my impression that he was saying that if he knew someone was blackmailing or extorting someone else he wouldn't report the crimes.
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Exactly. 
Yes, I was truly owned because someone has a low reading comprehension.
You know, just strolling through this thread I have counted more than 10 copy right violations in peoples sigs .the little pictures or videos under posters name .then that old saying about living in a glass house and throwing rocks comes to mind.
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I'm a glutton for punishment. I enjoy arguing my stance, and I can't stand when someone twists my words without even the decency to quote where the words came from, even if the quote is out of context.
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Pot meet Kettle.
Truly priceless.
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Yes, I do believe this is what Not_Rhino did to _Laxx_.
Even if you're not posting anymore in this thread, Not_Rhino, I want to point out a few things.
A.) I do NOT feel good petitioning someone else's good time. But it's their good time that might shorten the good time of other players. Should this game lose money, we may lose jobs; things begin to go at a slower pace. I would fear to be hit so badly as for the game to stop all together. Do I wish I would never have to bother with it? Certainly. In a perfect world, I would allow for such a thing to happen and continue on my way. But as it stands, the real world is too unstable to allow me the chance.
I don't like it, so much so that early on, there were a few cases I didn't petition. I pitied the person in obscure violation. I certainly won't smile when I petition today, and believe me when I say that I'm always thinking about the community when I finally hit the button. For the benefit of the community, not just one person's enjoyment.
B.) You brought up a general sore spot with the community, bringing up AE farms. But let me tell you that I've been there, in that position. Do I think of anyone less for having farmed the living daylights out of Communications Officers? No. I've been there. And after awhile I slowed down, the fun began to die, then the official announcement was made that any farms in violation would be banned; that any characters taking advantage of the system may be deleted.
I started to see if I could look at things through a developer's point of view. I asked myself, "Is it wrong?" To a certain degree, yes. New players suddenly don't know how to play the game, or even learns to play the game incorrectly, intentionally. Some new players quit with lack of enjoyment, unable to realize that the fun they could have had, they spoiled. But they didn't know that. It's my job to see that they find out just how fun this game can be, the way it was made to be.
I still feel that veterans should have a little leeway, like in my case of having five level fifties scattered among the servers, bored with the regular way of doing things in favor of rewards. But that wouldn't get me anywhere, and it's unfair to the new players. As such, I decided to stop. But I don't like someone less that's still doing it, or previously had done it. They just don't see things the way I do. I'll see if I can help that, if I can.
- Fire Lilly
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I'm a glutton for punishment. I enjoy arguing my stance, and I can't stand when someone twists my words without even the decency to quote where the words came from, even if the quote is out of context.
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Pot meet Kettle.
Truly priceless.
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Yes, I do believe this is what Not_Rhino did to _Laxx_.
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Maybe a little. I quoted him out of context to help make my point, but if you read my posts, I still disagree with his sentiment of reporting people to get revenge or because you don't like them.
Your mangling of my meaning, twisting it to mean something completely different than what was intended, is hardly the same thing.
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Whoever said that Land of the Lost isn't a copyright infringement because its a name or words just shud up. So if i were to start a pizza joint called pizza hut BUT didn't server pan pizza, didn't have a red roof, didn't look like a hut then there is nothing that could be done, PLEASE!!
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"Land of the Lost" is a trademark which mean that it cant be used unless permission is granted. Google was recently sued because the OS they use for their mobile phones is called Android which could have lead to confusion with the registered trademark Android Data.
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Someone should have told Sid & Marty Krofft that they couldn't use "Land of the Lost"
Use of that title goes back as far as 1944.
But please, don't let facts get in the way of your uninformed rant.
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Not to mention any lawsuit about copyright infringement over "Land of the Lost" would be thrown out and the person bringing the case might get slapped with a fine for frivolous lawsuit. Copyright can only apply to an "entire work" and the neighborhood in this game is nothing like the Tv show or movie.
Trademark? You would have to prove how it might dillute their branding - and this is a super-hero game, not a sci-fi show.
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This brings to mind the recent "Night at the Musuem 2: Battle of the Smithsonian" where Darth Vader appears. They never refer to him by name, his outfit is different from the movies in the fact that he doesn't have a chest piece, and the only action he makes that is force choke thing. (Yes, me and my father pointed all of this out during our car ride on Father's Day.)
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Even if you're not posting anymore in this thread, Not_Rhino, I want to point out a few things.
A.) I do NOT feel good petitioning someone else's good time. But it's their good time that might shorten the good time of other players. Should this game lose money, we may lose jobs; things begin to go at a slower pace. I would fear to be hit so badly as for the game to stop all together. Do I wish I would never have to bother with it? Certainly. In a perfect world, I would allow for such a think to happen and continue on my way. But as it stands, the real world is too unstable to allow me the chance.
I don't like it, so much so that early on, there were a few cases I didn't petition. I pitied the person in obscure violation. I certainly won't smile when I petition today, and believe me when I say that I'm always thinking about the community when I finally hit the button. For the benefit of the community, not just one person's enjoyment.
B.) You brought up a general sore spot with the community, bringing up AE farms. But let me tell you that I've been there, in that position. Do I think of anyone less for having farmed the living daylights out of Communications Officers? No. I've been there. And after awhile I slowed down, the fun began to die, then the official announcement was made that any farms in violation would be banned; that any characters taking advantage of the system may be deleted.
I started to see if I could look at things through a developer's point of view. I asked myself, "Is it wrong?" To a certain degree, yes. New players suddenly don't know how to play the game, or even learns to play the game incorrectly, intentionally. Some new players quit with lack of enjoyment, unable to realize that the fun they could have had, they spoiled. But they didn't know that. It's my job to see that they find out just how fun this game can be, the way it was made to be.
I still feel that veterans should have a little leeway, like in my case of having five level fifties scattered among the servers, bored with the regular way of doing things in favor of rewards. But that wouldn't get me anywhere, and it's unfair to the new players. As such, I decided to stop. But I don't like someone less that's still doing it, or previously have done it. They just don't see things the way I do. I'll see if I can help that, if I can.
- Fire Lilly
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Thank you for the intelligent post. As explained, I don't view everyone like this. Certainly there are those who truly believe they are helping the game by reporting these offenders. I just don't share the same sentiment, because I frankly think the chance of another lawsuit happening over copyright violations due to players is extremely low. I view it as a problem for the GMs to deal with, and I don't get any satisfaction or vindication out of reporting people, nor do I think it helps the community, in fact I think it does the opposite, so I simply don't do it.
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You know, just strolling through this thread I have counted more than 10 copy right violations in peoples sigs
.the little pictures or videos under posters name
.then that old saying about living in a glass house and throwing rocks comes to mind.
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Different rules apply. Also, I believe some of the ones you're counting would fall under the 'fair use' exception. On the other hand, some of them probably do qualify as infringing - very few, though.
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I don't petition people because I'm not a [censored].
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...but then you call those who do petition a [censored], thus making you one yourself...
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OCD has me smacking myself that you quoted me before I fixed my spelling mistake. 
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I get a small amount of pleasure from knocking children off their pedestals that they've built for themselves.
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Just thought I'd quote this to anyone making the argument that there aren't those who petition solely to derive a sense of satisfaction from doing so. People who do things such as this are scum.
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Just thought I'd quote this to anyone making the argument that those who quote out of context in order to further their imaginary points shouldn't do so. It makes you look like a tool. Then again, you don't really need help in that department.
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Main Villain : Menkaura -- Lv41 Mastermind
@Laxx
"You will bend to my will, with or without your precious sanity." --Dragon Mage
I disagree. I found it difficult to piece your meaning together due to poor clarity. I already admitted to my failings on this, is there something more you wish from me on that point?
No, that is not the point people are amused with, instead, I think it's that your comparison of reporting players for infringement to extortion and blackmail is laughable. It simply continues to show to me that your position is flawed. I don't say that in a cruel way, but in an analytical way. From my perspective, if everything you stated is true, then it does not make sense to me, and therefor I must be missing some other piece to your position.
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I bet you get a big snarky smirk on your face every time you report some kid who made a Wolverine ripoff character, hoping they'll ragequit the game because you have some over-inflated ego and false sense of importance, as if your 15 dollars a month is somehow more valuable than theirs'.
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Actually, the $15/month from someone who's not giving ammo for another potential lawsuit IS more valuable than the $15/month from someone who is. But that aside, you have some serious issues. Attributing malice in a person's simple desire to see the rules enforced and to protect the integrity of their community is flawed in the extreme. If you don't care about such things, fine. But if someone gets their name generic'd, it's their own damn fault. Not the fault of whoever reported them. The person who reported them isn't the one who broke the rules. It's called "accountability", and it's part of being an adult. Deal with it.
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I get a small amount of pleasure from knocking children off their pedestals that they've built for themselves.
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Just thought I'd quote this to anyone making the argument that there aren't those who petition solely to derive a sense of satisfaction from doing so. People who do things such as this are scum.
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Out of context quote is out of context.
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And yes, there is a pretentious attitude, that whole, "if you aren't reporting people, SHAME on you" attitude that seems to have permeated this thread.
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I must have missed those people. Which ones were they? The closest I saw were people stating they do it because it's the right thing to do.
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No one did. Not Rhino can only twist the words that other people have posted.
Just like he's trying to twist what Laxx said. When Laxx said children he was referring to the maturity level of the people that defend their breaking the rules by calling the people that file petitions names.
People that call other players narks and tattletales have the maturity of a kindergarten bully.
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Just because you're doing it to get revenge or because you don't like them doesn't make it any less scummy. It's in the same boat as blackmail and extortion to me. Live and let live, IMO.
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Thanks for proving his point about your word twisting.
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As explained, I don't view everyone like this.
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[...]and I don't get any satisfaction or vindication out of reporting people[...]
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I would like to refer you to your third post in this thread, as follows:
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If you folks feel good about reporting kids' characters, more power to you. I don't, and I shouldn't be expected to. And yes, there is a pretentious attitude, that whole, "if you aren't reporting people, SHAME on you" attitude that seems to have permeated this thread. I'm not going to report people unless I am personally upset over what someone did.
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Nothing out of context, nothing misquoted.
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Maybe a little. I quoted him out of context to help make my point but if you read my posts, I still disagree with his sentiment of reporting people to get revenge or because you don't like them.
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Quoting out of context doesn't make a point, it damages it.
Laxx never said anything about reporting people for "revenge" or because they don't like them. You're spin-doctoring, and not very well.
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"Different rules apply. Also, I believe some of the ones you're counting would fall under the 'fair use' exception. On the other hand, some of them probably do qualify as infringing - very few, though." -Ironblade-
Unless you are a attorney specializing in copy righted material you do not know that Different rules apply or what would fall under the Fair Use exception guidelines. And just to point out, a single image can be in violation, for example anyone with a Mickey Mouse tattoo has violated the law.
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"Different rules apply. Also, I believe some of the ones you're counting would fall under the 'fair use' exception. On the other hand, some of them probably do qualify as infringing - very few, though."
Unless you are a attorney specializing in copy righted material you do not know that Different rules apply
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Wrong.
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or what would fall under the Fair Use exception guidelines.
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Quite true. That's why I phrased it "I believe". I was qualifying it because I don't have definitive knowledge.
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"Fair Use" is copyright rather than trademark, anyway. But, even so, "fair use" wouldn't apply to ripoffs ( No, not "homages". Call a spade a spade ) in this game.
Even if it did, a violation of the games rules is still a violation. They don't have to explain why they have certain rules. The fact of the matter is we all agreed to follow them. Keep your word or don't whine about the consequences if you're called on it when you break it.
Edit: Scratch that. I didn't know the full context of the quote since F_N apparently doesn't grasp the use of the quote function. I thought we were talking about in-game violations still, not sig quotes on the forum.
Quotes and such in sigs here do fall under fair use. No, I don't have to be a lawyer to know that. It's pretty much to the letter on fair use exceptions.
Besides, if it were a problem, you'd be in violation as well, FN. I'm quite sure you didn't make that avatar image you're using, nor did you obtain permission from the creator...
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Then what are these different rules and how are they applying to this situation.
I'm a glutton for punishment. I enjoy arguing my stance, and I can't stand when someone twists my words without even the decency to quote where the words came from, even if the quote is out of context.