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I just can't stand pretentious forumites who report people for no reason other than because they want to feel good about themselves by making others miserable.

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Are you really that clueless? I can't speak for anyone else but when I petition someone, I'm doing it because it's appropriate. IP infringement *IS* a problem and the devs have asked us to assist in this matter. If there are any pretentious forumites, it's the ones who ASSSUME they understand other peoples motives and then impugn them on the basis of their own foolish assumptions.

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(...)But by all means, keep on thinking that we get together to gloat about how we crushed some 14 year old in Wisconsin's dream about being Wolverine.(...)

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Yeah! I mean, what kind of jerks would do THAT?! ... ... On a completely unrelated note, who's bringing the booze next week?

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I bet you get a big snarky smirk on your face every time you report some kid who made a Wolverine ripoff character, hoping they'll ragequit the game because you have some over-inflated ego and false sense of importance, as if your 15 dollars a month is somehow more valuable than theirs'. It isn't. I wouldn't "QQ" about a character I made a month after the game came out (before any lawsuits) being genericed and resulting in a much better, original character. I just can't stand pretentious forumites who report people for no reason other than because they want to feel good about themselves by making others miserable.

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Well, i can tell you I don't get a buzz from reporting someone.

I always check vet badges first, if its a new player I send them a tell and explain the whole marvel lawsuit bit.

If it's a vet I just send the petition, they should know better.

But by all means, keep on thinking that we get together to gloat about how we crushed some 14 year old in Wisconsin's dream about being Wolverine. As for the $15 buck thing, I report to protect the game and keep it open. I for one would hate the game to be brought down due to the likes of you.

May i remind you that you don't have any right to use Marvels stuff without their permission? People knowingly creating copyright toons are in the wrong, not the people helping the game stay open. I do feel stink for the kids who don't know better, but as long as someone educates them on what they did wrong, i dont have a problem with it.

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Due to the likes of me? How so? I have no characters that violate any copyrights. I did have one, in 2004, made when I was 15 years old and 3 days new to the game before any lawsuits were filed. He was around and un-genericed for over 4 years before he was finally genericed. I didn't really care because I rarely played the character, and the generic was a long time coming, and justified. I just don't feel the same way you do. I see no justice in reporting people for making a rip off character. I see no "protection of the game" occurring either. That's a very weak excuse, frankly, as this game has already gotten through such a lawsuit as you claim to fear and that was 5 years ago, and, again, it occurred after I made what I considered a harmless homage to a Marvel character.

By all means, though, if you truly think you're being a real life super-hero by ratting out someone's homage to a copyright character, keep up the good fight! I salute you!

If you folks feel good about reporting kids' characters, more power to you. I don't, and I shouldn't be expected to. And yes, there is a pretentious attitude, that whole, "if you aren't reporting people, SHAME on you" attitude that seems to have permeated this thread. I'm not going to report people unless I am personally upset over what someone did. I don't make copyright characters in City of Heroes, I don't report people who do. I don't smoke marijuana in real life, I don't report people who do.

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I bet you get a big snarky smirk on your face every time you report some kid who made a Wolverine ripoff character

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No the only time I get any pleasure out of seeing a character genericed is when they are one of those "Damn the rules! I'll do whatever I want!" jerks who is cursing and swearing and calling the unknown person that filed the petition a nark or a tattletale.

That childish behaviour tells me that they knew they were breaking the rules and deserve to be laughed at.

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I get a small amount of pleasure from knocking children off their pedestals that they've built for themselves.

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Just thought I'd quote this to anyone making the argument that there aren't those who petition solely to derive a sense of satisfaction from doing so. People who do things such as this are scum.

Yeah, we only report kids characters Not Rhino. We ask to make sure we are crushing someones dreams before sending the ticket.

I don't think i'm a real life superhero for this , but i do view myself as a conscientious citizen. And yes, I do report criminals to the police in real life as well. It would be unusual for someone with my background not to.

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And yes, there is a pretentious attitude, that whole, "if you aren't reporting people, SHAME on you" attitude that seems to have permeated this thread.

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I must have missed those people. Which ones were they? The closest I saw were people stating they do it because it's the right thing to do.

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I get a small amount of pleasure from knocking children off their pedestals that they've built for themselves.

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Just thought I'd quote this to anyone making the argument that there aren't those who petition solely to derive a sense of satisfaction from doing so. People who do things such as this are scum.

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I have to agree, I do it because im an extremely law abiding person, not for pleasure. Doing it for kicks is wrong.

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And yes, there is a pretentious attitude, that whole, "if you aren't reporting people, SHAME on you" attitude that seems to have permeated this thread.

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I must have missed those people. Which ones were they? The closest I saw were people stating they do it because it's the right thing to do.

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No one did. Not Rhino can only twist the words that other people have posted.

Just like he's trying to twist what Laxx said. When Laxx said children he was referring to the maturity level of the people that defend their breaking the rules by calling the people that file petitions names.

People that call other players narks and tattletales have the maturity of a kindergarten bully.

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And yes, there is a pretentious attitude, that whole, "if you aren't reporting people, SHAME on you" attitude that seems to have permeated this thread.

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I must have missed those people. Which ones were they? The closest I saw were people stating they do it because it's the right thing to do.

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No one did. Not Rhino can only twist the words that other people have posted.

Just like he's trying to twist what Laxx said. When Laxx said children he was referring to the maturity level of the people that defend their breaking the rules by calling the people that file petitions names.

People that call other players narks and tattletales have the maturity of a kindergarten bully.

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Just because you're doing it to get revenge or because you don't like them doesn't make it any less scummy. It's in the same boat as blackmail and extortion to me. Live and let live, IMO.

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Just because you're doing it to get revenge or because you don't like them doesn't make it any less scummy. It's in the same boat as blackmail and extortion to me. Live and let live, IMO.

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Boy talk about desperately grasping at straws to defend an undefendable position. What's next? Genocide? Barratry? Defenestration? ROFL

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I see no justice in reporting people for making a rip off character. I see no "protection of the game" occurring either. That's a very weak excuse, frankly,

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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. Look up the definitions of 'excuse' and 'reason'. I don't *NEED* an excuse because I don't need to justify my actions to anyone. However, I do choose to EXPLAIN my reasons so that people new to the game understand the situation.


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Permeated? No. A handful perhaps. Don't attribute that kind of attitude to the rest of us.

I personally disagree. Just because a person enjoys it doesn't make it scummy, or wrong, especially in the correct context (people who know better, but break the rules anyway).

I feel bad when I stop a child from shoplifting, when it's fairly obvious they're young enough to not know better.

I don't feel bad when the child is fairly obvious in knowingly breaking a rule by shoplifting (even something small and 'harmless').

But please don't profess to know that people are doing it solely because they like making kids cry or unhappy. Because you would be wrong. And especially don't declare that the thread is "filled" with those types of people, when all postings indicate the opposite.

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Just because you're doing it to get revenge or because you don't like them doesn't make it any less scummy. It's in the same boat as blackmail and extortion to me. Live and let live, IMO.

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And the silliness continues. How could it possibly be revenge or dislike if I petition a total stranger? And people who go out of their way to assist NCSoft in enforcing the rules, as requested, are now scummy? Priceless. Trying to help the game community is equated to extortion and blackmail? Do you have any idea how absurd these statements are?

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I personally disagree. Just because a person enjoys it doesn't make it scummy, or wrong, especially in the correct context (people who know better, but break the rules anyway).

I feel bad when I stop a child from shoplifting, when it's fairly obvious they're young enough to not know better.

I don't feel bad when the child is fairly obvious in knowingly breaking a rule by shoplifting (even something small and 'harmless').

But please don't profess to know that people are doing it solely because they like making kids cry or unhappy. Because you would be wrong. And especially don't declare that the thread is "filled" with those types of people, when all postings indicate the opposite.

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Shoplifting affects others in a negative way and should be reported.

There's really no moral justification for reporting people who make a copyright character, just like there's no moral justification for those who report AE farms, as much as the forum dwellers would like to think there is, and I know this point will be argued for a few pages by those who feel vindicated in their actions. I'm done posting here, getting too many unwanted flashbacks to those AE farm threads in which I was told I was a horrible, morally unjust person because I didn't think it was a reprehensible offense to farm Comm Officers.

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I personally disagree. Just because a person enjoys it doesn't make it scummy, or wrong, especially in the correct context (people who know better, but break the rules anyway).

I feel bad when I stop a child from shoplifting, when it's fairly obvious they're young enough to not know better.

I don't feel bad when the child is fairly obvious in knowingly breaking a rule by shoplifting (even something small and 'harmless').

But please don't profess to know that people are doing it solely because they like making kids cry or unhappy. Because you would be wrong. And especially don't declare that the thread is "filled" with those types of people, when all postings indicate the opposite.

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Shoplifting affects others in a negative way and should be reported.

There's really no moral justification for reporting people who make a copyright character, just like there's no moral justification for those who report AE farms, as much as the forum dwellers would like to think there is, and I know this point will be argued for a few pages by those who feel vindicated in their actions. I'm done posting here, getting too many unwanted flashbacks to those AE farm threads in which I was told I was a horrible, morally unjust person because I didn't think it was a reprehensible offense to farm Comm Officers.

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Yeah NCSoft has millions of dollars to throw away defending lawsuits. They have nothing better to spend money on. Their employees work for free, and the company has no other expenses to take care of.


Keep digging that hole you're almost to China.

Moral Justification. I like that phrase. Coming from an individual who claims that blackmail and extortion are not things to be reported to the authorities, I will gladly keep my own Moral Justification over yours, if you don't mind.

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Moral Justification. I like that phrase. Coming from an individual who claims that blackmail and extortion are not things to be reported to the authorities, I will gladly keep my own Moral Justification over yours, if you don't mind.

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Where, exactly, did I say that? Pretty sure I said they were scummy things to do, in the same boat as reporting people because you don't like them. How, exactly, that translates to "I think blackmail and extortion are A-Okay", I don't have a clue.

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There's really no moral justification for reporting people who make a copyright character, just like there's no moral justification for those who report AE farms, as much as the forum dwellers would like to think there is,

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This whole line of discussion is blather. Moral justification is not needed in the slightest, because we're helping to uphold the rules as explicitly requested by the people who wrote the rules and are responsible for keeping the game going.

Your arguments are based on a faulty premise right from the start - that anyone who petitions another player is doing something wrong and therefore needs 'excuses' or 'justification'. You don't get to be the arbiter of right and wrong in the game.

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I'm done posting here,

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That sure didn't last long, did it?

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Moral Justification. I like that phrase. Coming from an individual who claims that blackmail and extortion are not things to be reported to the authorities, I will gladly keep my own Moral Justification over yours, if you don't mind.

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Where, exactly, did I say that? Pretty sure I said they were scummy things to do, in the same boat as reporting people because you don't like them. How, exactly, that translates to "I think blackmail and extortion are A-Okay", I don't have a clue.

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You said it right here.

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It's in the same boat as blackmail and extortion to me. Live and let live, IMO.

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It must have been how you worded it, as I still read it as you equating blackmail and extortion to creating a "homage" character (read- obvious rip off). And since your main argument has been that the latter is "okay", thus the former must be as well (a=c, b=c, therefor a=b).

After re-reading it, I can see how you compared reporting someone with a "homage" character (read- obvious rip off) to extortion and blackmail.

While I take back my previous statement regarding your claims, I maintain that I would much rather keep my Moral Justification over yours.

I never said moral justification was needed, it isn't, but a lot of people feel that it is, or that if you don't do it, you are immoral, and that's bogus, just like it was when the same line of reasoning was used against those who expressed their opinion of not reporting AE Farmers because they didn't view it as a big deal.

If you feel good, or feel justified or vindicated, or that you're helping the game in some way, go right ahead and report people. I was just expressing my opinion on the matter. It doesn't affect me, it just pisses me off when I think of some condescending jerk reporting someone for not playing the game the way they think it should be played, whether it applies to farming or character concepts. If you aren't reporting people using that line of reasoning, then you aren't the kind of person that pisses me off, so forget about it.

And I never said it was "okay" to make a rip-off character. It violates the rules, and therefore it's not okay. But, since I am not personally affected by rip-off characters, I don't report them, and I tend to view those who do in a negative light, especially if they're the types who do it because it makes them feel good.

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It must have been how you worded it, as I still read it as you equating blackmail and extortion to creating a "homage" character (read- obvious rip off). And since your main argument has been that the latter is "okay", thus the former must be as well (a=c, b=c, therefor a=b).

After re-reading it, I can see how you compared reporting someone with a "homage" character (read- obvious rip off) to extortion and blackmail.

While I take back my previous statement regarding your claims, I maintain that I would much rather keep my Moral Justification over yours.

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It was my impression that he was saying that if he knew someone was blackmailing or extorting someone else he wouldn't report the crimes.

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I'm done posting here,

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That didn't last long.