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Posted on: 2009-06-25 12:34 in Player Questions
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First off why would you even report someone who did nothing to you. Obviously mommy and daddy never told you being a tattletale is wrong unless you have been hurt in some manner.
Secondly ncsoft is breaking the very rule they generic us for.
Back in the 70's there was a tv show called "Land of the Lost" which has since been remade in to a movie staring Will Ferrell. This is also an area in Skyway City which is called you guessed it, "Land of the Lost". I'm sure Universal Studios bought the rights from Sid and Marty Krofft the original creators who remade the series themselves in the 90s. However I doubt that Cryptic or NCsoft paid for the rights to use this name.
Someone should report them to the copyright holder.
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You're kidding, on both counts, right?
There's a big difference between a homage and a ripoff. And copyright violations hurt everyone here.
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First off why would you even report someone who did nothing to you. Obviously mommy and daddy never told you being a tattletale is wrong unless you have been hurt in some manner.
Secondly ncsoft is breaking the very rule they generic us for.
Back in the 70's there was a tv show called "Land of the Lost" which has since been remade in to a movie staring Will Ferrell. This is also an area in Skyway City which is called you guessed it, "Land of the Lost". I'm sure Universal Studios bought the rights from Sid and Marty Krofft the original creators who remade the series themselves in the 90s. However I doubt that Cryptic or NCsoft paid for the rights to use this name.
Someone should report them to the copyright holder.
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You're kidding, on both counts, right?
There's a big difference between a homage and a ripoff. And copyright violations hurt everyone here.
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Seriously.
Eric, have you not heard of the Marvel lawsuit against this game, where they sued because you could make copyrighted characters from the comics? The settlement in that case pointed out that Cryptic and NCSoft (now just NCSoft) needed to take action against copyrighted characters. If NCSoft doesn't uphold their end of the agreement, we could be going back to court. That would siphon development dollars away to pay for the legal defense, which hurts EVERYONE playing the game.
So, yes, I think that reporting obvious copyright infringement is for the long-term benefit of everyone in the game.
I also love how people calling other people out for doing something wrong is being a 'tattletale.' Seriously, the person was doing something wrong. If they can't face the consequences of that, then they shouldn't have done it in the first place.
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
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Honestly, he might last quite awhile. I wouldn't have petitioned him had I not read his bio. The thing he's ripping off is obscure enough that I wouldn't know it was a ripoff.
[/ QUOTE ]..... the Vision is obscure? He was a frickin' Avenger for years.
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I was just thinking the same thing. He appeared in 3 different decades of Avengers titles at least and was the chairman at least for one stint, if I recall.
Not like he's the Prowler or Stilt-Man or something....
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Not to mention that he was in an Arcade Game akin to the classic 90s X-Men side-scroller. Albeit, he was in his white form, not the green one.
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So how long do you think this guys character will last before it gets hit with the Mod stick
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That is easily the most blatant case of trademark infringement I have seen yet. They did a good job on the costume though.
I would petition that one, and I'm not especially petition-happy (I only petition blatant cases)
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Blatant attempts, "obvious" attempts at trying to get around the rules, or just plain offensive characters (usually relegated to racial slurs/racism/sexism, etc) are pretty much the only things I petition as well. Name, costume, bio... it doesn't matter to me. If any of those things crosses the line as I define it: petition fired.
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I do this too. When it's obvious and smacks you in the face (the character named ***dumpster that was in the virtue d for a while. you bet your booty I petitioned at light speed) I will petition it. Obvious rip-offs get it. "homage" characters I'll think about before deciding whether or not to fire.
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Honestly, he might last quite awhile. I wouldn't have petitioned him had I not read his bio. The thing he's ripping off is obscure enough that I wouldn't know it was a ripoff.
[/ QUOTE ]..... the Vision is obscure? He was a frickin' Avenger for years.
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I was just thinking the same thing. He appeared in 3 different decades of Avengers titles at least and was the chairman at least for one stint, if I recall.
Not like he's the Prowler or Stilt-Man or something....
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Not to mention that he was in an Arcade Game akin to the classic 90s X-Men side-scroller. Albeit, he was in his white form, not the green one.
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I recognised him from that 90's Avengers cartoon, of all things. As well as the giant form of Ant-Man.
That show was pretty cool even if it didn't have Thor or Captain America.
I suspect blissful lack of awareness of the rules (EULA comes up, click OK, play game) is the root issue here. The character is not a clone, hommage, or adaptation, but simply The Vision, created in CoH, right down to the Marvel Universe bio.
My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.
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First off why would you even report someone who did nothing to you. Obviously mommy and daddy never told you being a tattletale is wrong unless you have been hurt in some manner.
Secondly ncsoft is breaking the very rule they generic us for.
Back in the 70's there was a tv show called "Land of the Lost" which has since been remade in to a movie staring Will Ferrell. This is also an area in Skyway City which is called you guessed it, "Land of the Lost". I'm sure Universal Studios bought the rights from Sid and Marty Krofft the original creators who remade the series themselves in the 90s. However I doubt that Cryptic or NCsoft paid for the rights to use this name.
Someone should report them to the copyright holder.
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Are you frigging serious? You are, aren't you?
The area in the game known as Land of the Lost is so named because it is heavily populated by the Lost, a villain group within the game. It shares no correlation other than name with the TV and movie locale. If it happened to be an alternate dimension populated with dinosaurs, THEN they might have an issue.
A name alone does not make a copyright. You CANNOT copyright commonly used words. This is generally meant as any word that appears in a dictionary.
In the case of the Vision clone seen in the OP's link. The character has the same name, the same appearance, presumably nearly the same powers, and a backstory lifted straight from Marvel's intellectual property. The NAME is not the issue here, it is the fact that it is used in reference to a character that is trademarked.
The word "Vision" cannot be copyrighted, as it is the name of one of your 5 senses, and appears in a dictionary. If I were to name a character "Vision" and state that he is a human gifted with an extraordinary sense of sight, or is clairvoyant, or is a shaman who gets premonitions there is nothing Marvel can do because the word is used in a different context.
On the other hand, if I were to create a character named "Touch" and state that it is an android who happens to be predominantly green and yellow with a red face, with a specific set of abilities, THEN I could be in trouble because I'm infringing on a trademark. The name is different, but it relates to the trademarked name because it is ALSO one of the 5 senses. There is enough similarity to draw a comparison to the trademarked character.
To sum it up: The name has very little to do with trademarking in the case of superhero characters, simply because so many of their names are common words.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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So how long do you think this guys character will last before it gets hit with the Mod stick?
I feel a disturbance in the force . . . It's as if a thousand GM's hit the generic button at the same time.
[/ QUOTE ]I just want to know how he ha a full cape at lvl 3
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So how long do you think this guys character will last before it gets hit with the Mod stick?
I feel a disturbance in the force . . . It's as if a thousand GM's hit the generic button at the same time.
[/ QUOTE ]I just want to know how he ha a full cape at lvl 3
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He paid for it. Magic Pack, baby!
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
Magic Pack High collar cape, it's available at creation if you bought the pack.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Duh - I realized that right after I wrote it. I generally make females so I missed the high collar cape - now its time for me to make a Dr. Orpheus clone and get genericed.
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Duh - I realized that right after I wrote it. I generally make females so I missed the high collar cape - now its time for me to make a Dr. Orpheus clone and get genericed.
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Bring me my.....BLUE WINDBREAKER!!!
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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First off why would you even report someone who did nothing to you. Obviously mommy and daddy never told you being a tattletale is wrong unless you have been hurt in some manner.
[/ QUOTE ]The kind of person who uses the word 'tattletale' is the kind of person whose mommy and daddy said 'Get away with whatever you can.'
Some of us were raised to respect rules and principles, and to think that when a person agrees to a behaviour, they should actually do it.
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First off why would you even report someone who did nothing to you. Obviously mommy and daddy never told you being a tattletale is wrong unless you have been hurt in some manner.
[/ QUOTE ]The kind of person who uses the word 'tattletale' is the kind of person whose mommy and daddy said 'Get away with whatever you can.'
Some of us were raised to respect rules and principles, and to think that when a person agrees to a behaviour, they should actually do it.
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True that. 
I don't even know what it's a violation of. I'm not into the super hero stuff outside of the game. So I have no idea who that even is!
As for people thinking you have to be offline when genericed, think again. My husband saw someone genericed directly in front of him once and the tantrum the ensued was hilarious apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_(Marvel_Comics)
This is the character that was ripped off. The pic on the right side of the page is a good example.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
I wanna see someone get genericed in front of me someday. It's already funny enough when a genericed character shows up and everyone makes fun of them.
It is pretty ridiculous to make a character that looks exactly like a comic book character, but I still wouldn't petition him. I did not sign up to police other people in-game.
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It is pretty ridiculous to make a character that looks exactly like a comic book character, but I still wouldn't petition him. I did not sign up to police other people in-game.
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So, would you be upset if Marvel sued NCSoft again and won, getting the entire game shut down....and then you found out that it was because of a character you could have petitioned, but didn't?
I would.
I don't feel it's my job to "police" people, and I don't go around petitioning every questionable character I see. And with my comic book knowledge I've seen a LOT of them.
But in the case of the toon linked in the OP? Yeah, I would have petitioned that one in a heartbeat.
Any blatant ripoff of a character like that I will petition. Obscure characters, or clever homages I tend to leave alone.
The name, appearance, and backstory are all lifted from Marvel. Being a musician who has been ripped off before, I do what I can to keep it from happening to others.
(The material I had ripped off wasn't anything you ever would have heard. Two members of my former band quit and formed another band, using songs that I had written before they joined mine in the first place. They went nowhere, so it didn't bother me that much. Had they gone on to win a Grammy with one of them, yes I would have sued their pants off, as I have date-marked, recorded proof that the songs existed prior to them being in the band)
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You can have High Collar on a female toon.
I've seen characters' ideas taken from a lot of material(fantasy mostly). The only ones I consider reporting are Super Hero ripoffs (the OP pic is clearly one)
The Aes Sedai and Mord Sith of CoH are safe 
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It is pretty ridiculous to make a character that looks exactly like a comic book character, but I still wouldn't petition him. I did not sign up to police other people in-game.
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So, would you be upset if Marvel sued NCSoft again and won, getting the entire game shut down....and then you found out that it was because of a character you could have petitioned, but didn't?
I would.
I don't feel it's my job to "police" people, and I don't go around petitioning every questionable character I see. And with my comic book knowledge I've seen a LOT of them.
But in the case of the toon linked in the OP? Yeah, I would have petitioned that one in a heartbeat.
Any blatant ripoff of a character like that I will petition. Obscure characters, or clever homages I tend to leave alone.
The name, appearance, and backstory are all lifted from Marvel. Being a musician who has been ripped off before, I do what I can to keep it from happening to others.
(The material I had ripped off wasn't anything you ever would have heard. Two members of my former band quit and formed another band, using songs that I had written before they joined mine in the first place. They went nowhere, so it didn't bother me that much. Had they gone on to win a Grammy with one of them, yes I would have sued their pants off, as I have date-marked, recorded proof that the songs existed prior to them being in the band)
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Res judicata, I would think, would apply here, but I am no lawyer.
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do i smell...... rat?
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Maybe. I am roasting some in the corner. Would you like a chunk?
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Is e on his "tattler" rant again?
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It is pretty ridiculous to make a character that looks exactly like a comic book character, but I still wouldn't petition him. I did not sign up to police other people in-game.
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So, would you be upset if Marvel sued NCSoft again and won, getting the entire game shut down....and then you found out that it was because of a character you could have petitioned, but didn't?
I would.
I don't feel it's my job to "police" people, and I don't go around petitioning every questionable character I see. And with my comic book knowledge I've seen a LOT of them.
But in the case of the toon linked in the OP? Yeah, I would have petitioned that one in a heartbeat.
Any blatant ripoff of a character like that I will petition. Obscure characters, or clever homages I tend to leave alone.
The name, appearance, and backstory are all lifted from Marvel. Being a musician who has been ripped off before, I do what I can to keep it from happening to others.
(The material I had ripped off wasn't anything you ever would have heard. Two members of my former band quit and formed another band, using songs that I had written before they joined mine in the first place. They went nowhere, so it didn't bother me that much. Had they gone on to win a Grammy with one of them, yes I would have sued their pants off, as I have date-marked, recorded proof that the songs existed prior to them being in the band)
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Thats perfectly fine if you elect to do it. I am just stating, I would not. Something that blatant as shown in the link will eventually get noticed by a GM.
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Justice Company
First off why would you even report someone who did nothing to you. Obviously mommy and daddy never told you being a tattletale is wrong unless you have been hurt in some manner.
Secondly ncsoft is breaking the very rule they generic us for.
Back in the 70's there was a tv show called "Land of the Lost" which has since been remade in to a movie staring Will Ferrell. This is also an area in Skyway City which is called you guessed it, "Land of the Lost". I'm sure Universal Studios bought the rights from Sid and Marty Krofft the original creators who remade the series themselves in the 90s. However I doubt that Cryptic or NCsoft paid for the rights to use this name.
Someone should report them to the copyright holder.