Dominator Buff/Nerf in i15
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Posted on: 2009-06-13 07:54 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I hear that it isn't as bad as the numbers look, some people on test said overall it is better some say it is borking their toons bad enough they quit the game. (in fact I know a few people who did)
Though what is on test isn't final so there may be some tweaks after the feedback.
I personally don't like the changes, it makes the toon easier you level from 1-50, but if it is already 50 it seems to be borking it. I already neglect my Doms and I think these changes will just increase the neglect.
Purpled out doms will see it more as a nerf than anything but doms without perma dom might see this as more of a buff.
Head to the i15 Feedback section and poke around in the Dominator Changes feedback thread. You'll likely have to simply skip the first several pages as most of those are purely speculation when people looked at the numbers but weren't able to get onto test, but there have been several comparison runs that people have posted about lately.
That should give you a better idea of what to expect.
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I personally don't like the changes, it makes the toon easier you level from 1-50, but if it is already 50 it seems to be borking it.
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I don't understand, wouldn't an easier time leveling indicate that you were buffed? How would you then be borked at 50? I don't get it.
Not a big Dominator player - I don't really have a dog in this fight - but what about the change do you think does this?
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Overall, it's a buff although I think there should still be some tweaks done. The people quitting are mostly those who are butthurt about the PSW nerf. Sure, it sucks but nothing I would quit over.
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I'm just curious, i play quite a few dominators, but none of them are level 50, and none have pema dom, but whats the general idea about the new Dom changes in i15...
is it....1. Great Buffage with a few nerfs or 2. OMG loadsa powers have been nerfed with this new Buff.
Just a question, as I never have the time..or inclination, to play on test.
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From what I understand, the buffs have been paid for heavily by drastically increased recharge times and endurance-costs. Psy Shockwave has been completely gutted; thank you God I don't have a /psi Dom. I'd be furious.
This is just me, speaking as someone with a level 50 Dom under my belt: I thought Doms needed a damage buff badly. What I don't get is why they had to pay for that with this other stuff... Doms will still be an under-performing AT. What has basically happened is that they have shifted the under-performance from Damage to Rech. and END: the AT as a whole is still just as situationally bad compared to other ATs.
Buffing Dom damage while leaving everything else alone might have gotten more players to consider playing one. As it stands now, looks like even fewer people than before will be playing them.
Yay for "buffs," I guess. 
I play a Mind/energy Dom and I can tell you that from my experience on Test, the END issues she has now are straight out of the pit of Hell, and yes she does have Stamina. Its like I'm still a Dom... but now have the END. issues of a Brute. If this stays unchanged on Live I will be shelving this character for the foreseeable future.
Man i think that this BUFF is awesome. I never been a big fan of doms but i was playing a gravity/energy and i noticed how strong they were on test. I was killing things so fast and I was having the most fun i ever have had with a dom. It is a buff no matter what people say only those handful of people with perma dom think its a nerf but that's all. If it goes live you will find that you doms will be more powerful but also now fitness is needed to make them work well but i give fitness to all my toons. 
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I personally don't like the changes, it makes the toon easier you level from 1-50, but if it is already 50 it seems to be borking it.
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I don't understand, wouldn't an easier time leveling indicate that you were buffed? How would you then be borked at 50? I don't get it.
Not a big Dominator player - I don't really have a dog in this fight - but what about the change do you think does this?
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Well I said that in my personal experience, there are only about 4 powers from each of the secondaries I would take and it looks like those 4 got more of a nerf than a buff.
Personally I'd rather do crappy damage than have an end and recharge problem.
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I'm just curious, i play quite a few dominators, but none of them are level 50, and none have pema dom, but whats the general idea about the new Dom changes in i15...
is it....1. Great Buffage with a few nerfs or 2. OMG loadsa powers have been nerfed with this new Buff.
Just a question, as I never have the time..or inclination, to play on test.
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From what I understand, the buffs have been paid for heavily by drastically increased recharge times and endurance-costs. Psy Shockwave has been completely gutted; thank you God I don't have a /psi Dom. I'd be furious.
This is just me, speaking as someone with a level 50 Dom under my belt: I thought Doms needed a damage buff badly. What I don't get is why they had to pay for that with this other stuff... Doms will still be an under-performing AT. What has basically happened is that they have shifted the under-performance from Damage to Rech. and END: the AT as a whole is still just as situationally bad compared to other ATs.
Buffing Dom damage while leaving everything else alone might have gotten more players to consider playing one. As it stands now, looks like even fewer people than before will be playing them.
Yay for "buffs," I guess. I play a Mind/energy Dom and I can tell you that from my experience on Test, the END issues she has now are straight out of the pit of Hell, and yes she does have Stamina. Its like I'm still a Dom... but now have the END. issues of a Brute. If this stays unchanged on Live I will be shelving this character for the foreseeable future.
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I like how you put it, pretty much now instead of needing Permadom to do good damage, you'll need it to keep your end and recharge under control, the recharge part coming from all the global recharge you'll need to get Permadom in the first place.
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I'm just curious, i play quite a few dominators, but none of them are level 50, and none have pema dom, but whats the general idea about the new Dom changes in i15...
is it....1. Great Buffage with a few nerfs or 2. OMG loadsa powers have been nerfed with this new Buff.
Just a question, as I never have the time..or inclination, to play on test.
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From what I understand, the buffs have been paid for heavily by drastically increased recharge times and endurance-costs. Psy Shockwave has been completely gutted; thank you God I don't have a /psi Dom. I'd be furious.
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The only people that the change really hurts are those who think PSW is the only power in Psionic Assault, and people who are stacking Domination. And the people stacking Domination can drop some of their +rech set bonuses for +damage, and they'll be back where they were before.
The big benefit of the change is that since Dominators' damage scale was increased, they can benefit more from damage buffs than they could before - not only is Domination no longer taking up part of their possible damage buff, but any damage buff is also more effective than it was before.
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This is a Major Buff for Doms. That being said I get the feeling that Castle had to move these to Beta before he was done internal tests (due to scheduling) so some of the End and recharges should get tweaked back a bit.
Psi was entirely dependent on it's tier 9.. and people are pissed that they made it a true viable set now.. which is a stupid attitude to take IMHO. Beside.. PSW got a good chunk of it's pre-change damage back in the latest patch, since they gave it back the Melee modifier. It's just now smaller area and some mnore recharge.. and if you are Perma-Dom.. Recharge is a non issue.
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After goofing around on Test for a while, then actually playing one of my Live dominators today...
I'll be doubly glad when i15 is done and over with, though I'm making a point to at least stay abreast of any further changes to the Dominator buff (it's a net buff, IMO, and I'm unlikely to change that stance; How much of a buff? Now that's a horse of a different color) as this is just pass one at the moment (or was when I last tested). Subject to change before hitting live, especially with player feedback.
Hopefully, Castle's taking into consideration all of the complaints about fluidity and endurance issues (which I don't think are all that much worse then other ATs, but are more noticable).
I've always liked the idea of Doms, but never liked their actual implementation that well, so I tested this a little, and looked over the numbers. The nerfs outweigh the buffs, leaving Doms still the worst, most underperforming AT in the game as far as I can tell. Still no reason to play one.
It's a solid buff. The only thing that really got nerfed was psionic shockwave, which needed to be nerfed. The entire rest of the set got buffed to make it viable.
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It's a solid buff. The only thing that really got nerfed was psionic shockwave, which needed to be nerfed. The entire rest of the set got buffed to make it viable.
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I see it as a nerf, my Dom on live has end problems and now they have buffed my damage but made my end problem even worse and tacked on recharge to totally screw it up.
I'd take damage problems over endurance and recharge problems any day. I can play a toon that doesn't dish out a lot damage, but a toon that doesn't even have the endurance to activate the powers and the recharge to keep the powers up? No thanks.
To everyone who played a dominator, it's a buff.
To those people who played PSW PSW PSW PSW PSW PSW PSW it's a nerf but well, [censored] them.
My Dominator is a level 50 Plant/Fire...
This looks like a great buff for my dominators. My Mind/Energy in particular is shifting into high gear with the Energy Assault upgrades. I'll glady take all those changes for my Plant/Psy too.
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This looks like a great buff for my dominators. My Mind/Energy in particular is shifting into high gear with the Energy Assault upgrades. I'll glady take all those changes for my Plant/Psy too.
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...You love firing off two /energy attacks and losing half your blue bar? I exaggerate a little, but really not that much; the END issues are just horrible.
This is going to take MASSIVE respec'ing and re-IOing to fix; I may well just shelve her over this. When I build a Brute or Scrapper, I know the END issues are severe and I build for that accordingly. Wasn't exactly expecting that on my Dom...
If my Dom has the END issues of heavy-duty melee-types, then I will be expecting the DAMAGE she does to be equivalent. But we're not gonna get that and..... *reaches for top shelf of the storage-closet*...
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To everyone who played a dominator, it's a buff.
To those people who played PSW PSW PSW PSW PSW PSW PSW it's a nerf but well, [censored] them.
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Yeah, because expecting a really cool tier 9 to be truly effective is an EXPLOIT!! Call the XP Police, someone's actually using a cool power for fun, we can't have that....!
Honestly I can't say enough how sad I find the major push for mediocrity on these forums. Some of you will not be happy until every last decent thing in the game is nerfed into the ground.
...So it's a berf? Or a nuff.
B_I, others are saying that now the REST of /Psi is decent too, so the set is a little more even throughout, instead of 37 levels of suck and then a good attack.
Not that Tier 9s are uniformly good on every set. /Ice's for example is (or was) just a slightly-higher damaging attack, not sucky but hardly worth raving over.
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Personally, I always take END maintenance into account when slotting out a character. After checking my Doms out on Test, I didn't see any major END problems.
So I can only surmise that the people who are saying they're having very bad END issues either neglected to build for any sort of efficiency/long duration fighting or has a much looser definition of "END problems" than I do.
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This looks like a great buff for my dominators. My Mind/Energy in particular is shifting into high gear with the Energy Assault upgrades. I'll glady take all those changes for my Plant/Psy too.
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...You love firing off two /energy attacks and losing half your blue bar? I exaggerate a little, but really not that much; the END issues are just horrible.
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I'm afraid I won't be in much of a position to comment on that. My Mind/Energy is at a level where endurance is no longer a concern (outside of endurance drains from enemies). I tend to overdo it when slotting for endurance reduction...
I'm just curious, i play quite a few dominators, but none of them are level 50, and none have pema dom, but whats the general idea about the new Dom changes in i15...
is it....1. Great Buffage with a few nerfs or 2. OMG loadsa powers have been nerfed with this new Buff.
Just a question, as I never have the time..or inclination, to play on test.