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Well, maybe I can get the player to post the emails back and forth between the GMs & her. Proly just be an excuse to ban both of us and dlete this post however
The generic-ing is bad enough. 76% of the toons out there havea passing resemblance to SOMEBODY in comics. I respect coptright protection, but there are griefers on Virtue in particular that use this tactic to harrass people that they dont like, are jealus of a better tribute toon or just want to steal the idea themselves.
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The Kronos has a hold n00b!
I have a character named Amazing Amazon and she once got genericed. But i did not give up and brought the issue at support, i complained at Castle and ExLibris, i did everything i could think of to get the attention of authorities and/or influent people in CoX.
Finally, i won my case! I got my name back after 2 weeks of generication.
But you know what? If a moron petitioned my char again, i woudl have to do all again the whole thing. It sucks like that.
Lighthouse once told me that they had taken the whole thing about the naming policy way too far and that things were supposed to smoothen a bit in the future. They were supposed to cut some slack to players and stop the witch hunt. I guess he was wrong.
Anyway, OP has my sympathy and i pray for his good fight.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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I would kinda like to see this character, but the OP's attempt to place an image doesn't work and the later link leads to a site that my security software won't let me see.
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"You gave us a world where we could fly. I can't thank you enough for that."
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Well, maybe I can get the player to post the emails back and forth between the GMs & her. Proly just be an excuse to ban both of us and dlete this post however
The generic-ing is bad enough. 76% of the toons out there havea passing resemblance to SOMEBODY in comics. I respect coptright protection, but there are griefers on Virtue in particular that use this tactic to harrass people that they dont like, are jealus of a better tribute toon or just want to steal the idea themselves.
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It is so true about the jealousy and envy. Some people somehow feel frustration and just like to petition because they can.
Not long ago, i was playing my dominator, Sinner Psyche ( i made her look like Sister Psyche but being an evil clone made by Dr Aeon) . Out of nowhere another player started sending me PMs telling me that i was not creative, i had no right doing that, i was a moron, etc... And he told me that he would get me genericed for that and that would teach me.
Thankfully, i was not genericed so i guess he had it all wrong and was frustrated for a reason unknown to me. Envy maybe? Who knows. 
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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My Amazing Amazon wear a black tank top, she has no eagle and a capital letter A is her emblem. She is 7 feet tall and uses no lasso when she fights. Her bio never had any connection with Wonder Woman. So go figure why a GM genericed me.... He acted only because of the name in itself. And he was proven that he was totally wrong. But still, i had to go all the way whining and complaining because of what he done. It never is amusing and it is time-consuming and energy draining for nothing.
These GMs.... They are a nuisance in my book. But that's a personal opinion of course.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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So is the complaint that the character got genericed due to looking too much like a Marvel Comics intellectual property? Because a simple Google search on that IP plus the character's background on VirtueVerse seems to justify the genericking.
Or is it becauae it took 5 years for the GMs to be notified and act on the IP violation?
The discussion over whether intellectual propert violations should be genericked and whether players should report it is old and tired at this point. We've been told they will do it and we're pretty sure that the source of genericking decisions is caution over another trademark violation suit and that it generally won't happen until the character is brought to the attention of a GM in some way (player report, though I suspect a player/character being a jerk and getting a complaint will make a GM look and notice for himslef/herself it's an IP violation). It's gonna happen and coming here and complaining about it or staging a "protest" isn't going to changfe that.
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So is the complaint that the character got genericed due to looking too much like a Marvel Comics intellectual property? Because a simple Google search on that IP plus the character's background on VirtueVerse seems to justify the genericking.
Or is it becauae it took 5 years for the GMs to be notified and act on the IP violation?
The discussion over whether intellectual propert violations should be genericked and whether players should report it is old and tired at this point. We've been told they will do it and we're pretty sure that the source of genericking decisions is caution over another trademark violation suit and that it generally won't happen until the character is brought to the attention of a GM in some way (player report, though I suspect a player/character being a jerk and getting a complaint will make a GM look and notice for himslef/herself it's an IP violation). It's gonna happen and coming here and complaining about it or staging a "protest" isn't going to changfe that.
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You are right about that. Complaining in the forum will not help.
If the OP really believe he is right and he can argue, explain and show that he is, then he should bring up the issue to those who really can change things. Whoever has the power to revert the GM decision becomes fair game at this point. Do like i did. Support, devs, community reps, directly to NCSoft, whoever can override the decision. These are the people you need to convince.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Nexus Ar'gos, a 5 yer old character with a 5 year old costume, was generic'ed by the GMs. SO griefer reported that the character was a Captain Mar'vell ripoff and that's all it took
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It is a Captain Mar'vell ripoff. I'm sorry, but I have little sympathy here. I don't understand why some people have such a hard time understanding this. Don't create look-alikes. Don't create "homage" characters. Don't write your bio to be the same as someone else. Don't make your costume look like someone else.
Can you get away with it sometimes? Sure. But why bother? Why risk going five years in with a character and having it genericked because of a lapse in creativity or a disregard for the EULA?
Create original characters. Period. "But so-en-so has a character that hasn't been genericked that looks like" Doesn't matter. "But the name is totally different, it's only the costume/bio that" Irrelevant. "But I've had this character for five" So what? "But homage characters/parody characters don't violate tradem" Seriously, can it.
In a court of law, you might be right. Marvel/DC/Whoever might not be able to sue you and win. But this isn't a court of law. It's a private business, and like it or not, they have the absolute, final judgment over whether or not your name/costume/bio/anything else is allowed in the game. They have repeatedly asked people not to copy aspects of other characters into the game. It's not like it's a secret that everyone is keeping. It's not like this is new. It's not like there aren't plenty of examples out there of people getting genericked to prove that they're serious. And yes, as a private company, they get to have a double standard, and create homage characters and have them in the game themselves. File it in the "it's good to be the king" folder.
Yet still, after all this time, we still have people who are surprised and outraged that a character gets whacked. To me, that doesn't say that the GMs are too picky or too quick to act. To me, it says that some people are incredibly dense and have to learn things like this the hard way.
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AFTER that happened, now the GMs are demanding that the toon be deleted outright OR the player's 5 [year] running account will be banned.
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This, I simply don't believe. Either the person grossly misunderstood what the GM said or is deliberately misrepresenting what happened. If the person is on the level, the appropriate thing to do would be to have taken it up with the GM's manager, as I'm sure that's against policy. However, the fact that the player was violating trademark and was at least indirectly responsible for this little "protest" (which, incidentally, is also against the rules, as is your post here) certainly doesn't help his or her case.
You and this player may very well have sabotaged any chance there might have been of them taking any action against the GM for extorting a player to delete a character (if it really happened) with these histrionics. Someone else mentioned that it's wise for players to keep a level head. It's not just because it makes you a good and moral person. It's because without a level head, the chances of getting results are slim to none.
Hopefully there will be some lessons learned here before this thread gets deleted.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
Yep. That costume in the link is as close to the Captain Mar-vell copyrighted costume as is possible to get in this game. Generic is legit. Sorry, but cant people be a bit more creative. None of my characters are knowlingly even close to any other comicbook-based characters (or any other genre) that I know of. And if someone says something to me about a toon, I will then research the matter and delete the toon myself if it even looks comparable. But that's just me.
I had someone gripe about one toon's name once, but that was because Marvel or DC had a couple of Biblically-named characters at one time. After checking it out, I found that the only thing genericable was the name, and since it was essentially public domain (being a Biblical proper name). I do not worry it. As I wouldnt worry about a toon named Deborah (also a Biblical proper name).
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Sorry, but this sounds like either a misunderstanding or someone in the chain of communication deliberately lying to stir up trouble.
This is not how it works. If a toon did need to be deleted for some reason, it would have been deleted. The GM's don't 'demand' that a toon be deleted.
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This has nothing to do with anything. For all we know he made the character 5 years ago, got to level 10, and never bothered to log in with him again until today.
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Everyone knows it doesn't work that way. Please stir post-AE farming anti-dev flaming elsewhere.
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Sorry, but this sounds like either a misunderstanding or someone in the chain of communication deliberately lying to stir up trouble.
This is not how it works. If a toon did need to be deleted for some reason, it would have been deleted. The GM's don't 'demand' that a toon be deleted.
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Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
If the GMs wanted a toon deleted they'd hit the button themselves. No "threats" would be necessary. I call shenanigans on this story.
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Doing a Google search for Nexus Argos came up with full bio page with photo.
https://www.virtueverse.com/index.ph...;printable=yes
The character is almost an exact clone of Captain Mar'vell, even the bio. The kicker? at the bottom of the page it reads "Character influenced by Captain Mar-vell from Marvel Comics "
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INFLUENCED BY, not a direct rip off, doesnt even look anything like captain marvel. and i love how people hide behind the EULA these days for any decision that the GM/Mod/Devs make, they are just happy to give up 15+ dollars a month per account to let these people do what ever they want all in the name of some bullshyte EULA that just gets changed without notice to what ever they want it to say at the time.
AND the fact that the person in question put that in their bio means that they are in fact NOT VIOLATING any copyright laws. There is no law saying you cannot make some thing that is influenced by or looks similar to some thing that is copyrighted, you just cannot make an exact look/name/bio.
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Doing a Google search for Nexus Argos came up with full bio page with photo.
https://www.virtueverse.com/index.ph...;printable=yes
The character is almost an exact clone of Captain Mar'vell, even the bio. The kicker? at the bottom of the page it reads "Character influenced by Captain Mar-vell from Marvel Comics "
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INFLUENCED BY, not a direct rip off, doesnt even look anything like captain marvel. and i love how people hide behind the EULA these days for any decision that the GM/Mod/Devs make, they are just happy to give up 15+ dollars a month per account to let these people do what ever they want all in the name of some bullshyte EULA that just gets changed without notice to what ever they want it to say at the time.
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If the GMs wanted a toon deleted they'd hit the button themselves. No "threats" would be necessary. I call shenanigans on this story.
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Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
If you want people to think that your character is similar to, even if it looks nothing like, another known character, even ONE trait could lead to genericing.
Like someone mentioned: NCsoft isn't begging you to play the game. If they lose a $15 subscription to keep themselves from being sued for copyright/trademark infringement which can lead to hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and restitution, they would rather go with you taking your $15 elsewhere.
The EULA is set up to protect THEM, not you. You agree to playing by their rules. If you don't want to, then the door is that a way. ---------->
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They don't need an "excuse" to delete this post. You've already broken several rules just by posting it.
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Doing a Google search for Nexus Argos came up with full bio page with photo.
https://www.virtueverse.com/index.ph...;printable=yes
The character is almost an exact clone of Captain Mar'vell, even the bio. The kicker? at the bottom of the page it reads "Character influenced by Captain Mar-vell from Marvel Comics "
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INFLUENCED BY, not a direct rip off, doesnt even look anything like captain marvel. and i love how people hide behind the EULA these days for any decision that the GM/Mod/Devs make, they are just happy to give up 15+ dollars a month per account to let these people do what ever they want all in the name of some bullshyte EULA that just gets changed without notice to what ever they want it to say at the time.
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so wait
This guy
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It's a clear clone, open and shut case. Stop the protest and let everyone get back to their ERP with that cute little FUTA cat"girl".
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Fixed.
On topic, a friend of mine played a clone of Superman since beta. And I mean exact. His costume was perfect, he was SS/Inv with super speed and flight, and his bio was a brief summary of Superman mentioning that he's from another planet and has powers due to the sun. He kept that character for over two years. Nobody ever reported him. At one point he actually went to the GMs himself and asked if it was a little too obvious. They said that it was, and allowed him to change his costume and bio.
Point is, you can be subtle with your copy or you can be extremely obvious. It's random chance to see if you get reported or not. And it doesn't matter how long you've gone unreported. As long as you're copying something, you're going to get hit with the generic hammer.
And yes, that guy's costume is almost exact.
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Doing a Google search for Nexus Argos came up with full bio page with photo.
https://www.virtueverse.com/index.ph...;printable=yes
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INFLUENCED BY, not a direct rip off, doesnt even look anything like captain marvel. and i love how people hide behind the EULA these days for any decision that the GM/Mod/Devs make, they are just happy to give up 15+ dollars a month per account to let these people do what ever they want all in the name of some bullshyte EULA that just gets changed without notice to what ever they want it to say at the time.
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Was probably thinking of the DC version, which is more widely known.
As for the demand for deletion, it probably came from the person who petitioned and not the GM - as mentioned, if the GM wanted the character gone it simply would've been. If there's an actual email from an NCSoft GM with wording like that, it certainly wouldn't be an in-game protest for me... although I probably wouldn't demand to see that GM's pink slip after I go way over their head for abuse of the customers.
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Looks a copyrighted hero from Marvel Comics. I wish your friend good luck with coming up with a new look but with the past lawsuit and settlement with Marvel, your friend is lucky to make five years with that look.
It's a clear clone, open and shut case. Stop the protest and let everyone get back to their ERP with that cute little cat"girl".
Does it suck that there are quislings that feel the need to report clones? Sure. But the player must have known that what he wqas doing was against the rules. A stupid rule? One that everyone breaks? Absolutely. You play, you pay. Time to man up and move on.
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