City of Heroes Going Rogue - FAQ - Discussion
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Posted on: 2009-05-12 08:06 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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I agree with the Baron here... I work in retail, and have for 22 years now. A January release makes more sense, at least financially.|
Originally Posted by BaronKarza
No a January release date would probably make more sense with as the biggest redemption of gift cards occur in January so that would be a good way to entice new player and those who left for that other game to come back.
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With the boon in gift card sales in November & December at major retailers (I work for Target), a "Going Rogue" release in January would make a better chance to pay dividends.
Now, I would like to see "Going Rogue" released in two forms... with & without "Architect Edition"... but perhaps, that's just me.
i am curious as to in game play, I wonder if more heroes will be going villian or villian going hero? did a informal poll on Pinnbadges, and its about 80% villian going hero. I have 2 Stalkers amd maybe a MM i want to switch, no Heroes for going the other way.
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Really? I have more heroes who will be going Villainous, than the other way around.
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Originally Posted by MadHobbit
i am curious as to in game play, I wonder if more heroes will be going villian or villian going hero? did a informal poll on Pinnbadges, and its about 80% villian going hero. I have 2 Stalkers amd maybe a MM i want to switch, no Heroes for going the other way.
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For me it's mostly Villains who'll go blue, but that's because I happen to like the Villain ATs or powersets more. And most of those were made after Going Rogue was announced anyway. (In other words, they *started* as heroes in my head, they just happened to need what are currently villain exclusive abilities.) Of course, my villain characters currently outnumber my hero characters about three to one. If you consider it as a percentage of each group, it's about equal for switching sides. (Of my twelve heroes, I have two that I might switch. Of just under forty villains, I have about six.) And in any case, I'll still end up with far more Red than Blue in the character select screen.
Of course, it'll partly depend on what the story turns out to be for Going Rogue.
ok so here's a stupid question... going by the story i've read so far it seems to incorperate an alternate dimension where paragon city = villian territory and rogue islands = hero territory. as opose to any actually "switch" it's just a change of maps =/
is this the case or is it actually possible for me to walk the original paragon city as an arachnos soilder with all the heroes, as opose to an entirely villian populated paragon city like the back story seems to alude to...
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The alternative universe of Praetoria doesn't have hero or villain faction - it's ruled by a single faction, the Praetorians, lead by Tyrant, an evil version of Statesman.|
Originally Posted by HomsikPanda
ok so here's a stupid question... going by the story i've read so far it seems to incorperate an alternate dimension where paragon city = villian territory and rogue islands = hero territory. as opose to any actually "switch" it's just a change of maps =/
is this the case or is it actually possible for me to walk the original paragon city as an arachnos soilder with all the heroes, as opose to an entirely villian populated paragon city like the back story seems to alude to... |
In Praetoria, you'll be able to play missions and arcs that will let you decide to change sides, so you can enter Praetoria as a villain, but through your actions there you can become a hero, and then you'd have access to the normal Paragon City, but the normal Rogue Isles would be closed off to you.
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ooohhhh!!! ok, makes sense.... i thought praetoria also had a rebel band of "good" people lead by the alternate lord recluse?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The alternative universe of Praetoria doesn't have hero or villain faction - it's ruled by a single faction, the Praetorians, lead by Tyrant, an evil version of Statesman.
In Praetoria, you'll be able to play missions and arcs that will let you decide to change sides, so you can enter Praetoria as a villain, but through your actions there you can become a hero, and then you'd have access to the normal Paragon City, but the normal Rogue Isles would be closed off to you. |
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I'm sure there'll be rebels of some kind - but they might not be good |
Originally Posted by HomsikPanda
ooohhhh!!! ok, makes sense.... i thought praetoria also had a rebel band of "good" people lead by the alternate lord recluse?
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For example, the Paretorian Clockwork King might still have been beaten up by an evil version of Blue Steel, but that wouldn't make him automatically a good guy - we might have missions where we have to decide which of two evil people to help, for example.
Also, as far as we know, there isn't an heroic version of Lord Recluse - he was killed by Statesman after, or just before, they drunk from the Well of the Furies, which seems to be the point when the Praetorian timeline starts to split off form our timeline - so in our history, Statesman chose to use his powers for good, and so Recluse survives as the the main evil force in the world, but in the Praetorian timeline, Statesman chooses to use his powers for evil, killing Recluse and taking over the world.
That brings up an interesting contrast - Statesman here chose to do the right thing, but that means there's more conflict in our world, but in the Praetorian Statesman chose to do the wrong thing, but that seems to have actually made his world more peaceful than ours.
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that makes sense....... i mean, dictatorships usually are the most peaceful societys, i mean take away free will and people have less to complain/ argue about....|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm sure there'll be rebels of some kind - but they might not be good
For example, the Paretorian Clockwork King might still have been beaten up by an evil version of Blue Steel, but that wouldn't make him automatically a good guy - we might have missions where we have to decide which of two evil people to help, for example. Also, as far as we know, there isn't an heroic version of Lord Recluse - he was killed by Statesman after, or just before, they drunk from the Well of the Furies, which seems to be the point when the Praetorian timeline starts to split off form our timeline - so in our history, Statesman chose to use his powers for good, and so Recluse survives as the the main evil force in the world, but in the Praetorian timeline, Statesman chooses to use his powers for evil, killing Recluse and taking over the world. That brings up an interesting contrast - Statesman here chose to do the right thing, but that means there's more conflict in our world, but in the Praetorian Statesman chose to do the wrong thing, but that seems to have actually made his world more peaceful than ours. |
maybe in a sense lord recluse isn't evil after all, i mean he has the same goals as pratoria =o
-gets off topic slightly- i want to be a war shade D=.
another happy though, oroboros alters time/space continuem so thoreticly they could alter our timeline and as a result alter the pratorian timelime so that it matches our own...... o.o
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Since absolutely nobody has been able to produce any kind of substantiating evidence for this theory, I'd say that we don't "know" it at all. I remember a Dev (probably Manticore) saying that if Arachnos existed on Praetorian Earth, they would probably have had a harder time of things. This was quite some time back, like within the first year of CoV release. I honestly think that a massive game of player speculation telephone has transformed it into Tyrant killed Praetorian Stefan Richter, and I will continue to believe that until someone produces a source.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Also, as far as we know, there isn't an heroic version of Lord Recluse - he was killed by Statesman after, or just before, they drunk from the Well of the Furies, which seems to be the point when the Praetorian timeline starts to split off form our timeline - so in our history, Statesman chose to use his powers for good, and so Recluse survives as the the main evil force in the world, but in the Praetorian timeline, Statesman chooses to use his powers for evil, killing Recluse and taking over the world.
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"I wish my life was a non-stop Hollywood movie show,
A fantasy world of celluloid villains and heroes."
So will villains who switch sides be able to get heroes ancillory powersets? What will happen to those if they switch sides again will they stay or have to be respeced out?
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And now we have confirmation from those at HeroCon. Tyrant did indeed kill Stefan Richter of that world upon finding the Well of the Furies. I had hoped that we would know one way or another after HeroCon, and now we do.
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Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
Since absolutely nobody has been able to produce any kind of substantiating evidence for this theory, I'd say that we don't "know" it at all. I remember a Dev (probably Manticore) saying that if Arachnos existed on Praetorian Earth, they would probably have had a harder time of things. This was quite some time back, like within the first year of CoV release. I honestly think that a massive game of player speculation telephone has transformed it into Tyrant killed Praetorian Stefan Richter, and I will continue to believe that until someone produces a source.
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"I wish my life was a non-stop Hollywood movie show,
A fantasy world of celluloid villains and heroes."
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How do you know that isn't exactly how Praetoria came to be?
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Originally Posted by HomsikPanda
that makes sense....... i mean, dictatorships usually are the most peaceful societys, i mean take away free will and people have less to complain/ argue about....
maybe in a sense lord recluse isn't evil after all, i mean he has the same goals as pratoria =o -gets off topic slightly- i want to be a war shade D=. another happy though, oroboros alters time/space continuem so thoreticly they could alter our timeline and as a result alter the pratorian timelime so that it matches our own...... o.o |
You know...I been with this game for a long time and so tired of the old content and now the lack of players on the servers because the devs are dragging their feet on the release of going rogue. They have released pointless updates since the anouncing of going rogue that has absolutely sucked and the same old holiday events that are tired, lets just say it, yoville is more entertaining and I hate yoville. So I am allowing my account to expire and spending my money on something that doesn't suck until the devs pull their fingers out their butts and finish going rogue. the way it's looking it will be march before the release and by that point this game will have no players and will go belly up. thanks for caring for the players devs...not.
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Sorry, I've seen that so much after someone posting they are leaving that I think it's required posting procedure.
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Or if they post the same thing in every open topic on the subject, which is against the forum rules and grounds for modsmacking, but hey, he's taking his ball and going home anyway, so why should he care?
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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So, what I'm curious about, after watching the spread at Hero-con again.... They said you would be able to start in Praetoria neither as a hero, nor a villian. During the tutorial you make a choice of which side to start aligning with... So, if I'm creating a toon, and I can't pick hero or villian, what are my power choices going to be? Will I be able to pick Brute stats and powers, or Tank stats and powers? Or Corrupters vs Defenders/Blasters? Just something that made me start going "hmmmmmm" after watching.
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I got the impression that you'd be able to select loyalist or resistance and that would determine which AT's you got to choose (hero AT's for resistance and villain AT's for loyalist). Then once you got to 20 you could choose hero vs villain for your new home base, thus allowing a resistance blaster to go to the rogue isles and continue leading a life of crime or a loyalist brute to go to Paragon City to continue a life of crime fighting... so to speak. |
Originally Posted by OmegaElementress
So, what I'm curious about, after watching the spread at Hero-con again.... They said you would be able to start in Praetoria neither as a hero, nor a villian. During the tutorial you make a choice of which side to start aligning with... So, if I'm creating a toon, and I can't pick hero or villian, what are my power choices going to be? Will I be able to pick Brute stats and powers, or Tank stats and powers? Or Corrupters vs Defenders/Blasters? Just something that made me start going "hmmmmmm" after watching.
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But I wasn't there, maybe I misunderstood or read something misleading.
[Edit] BTW the link in the OP seems to be broken.
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You'll be able to pick any of the ten standard Hero or Villain ATs (Blaster, Controller, Defender, Scrapper, Tank, Brute, Corruptor, Dominator, Mastermind or Stalker) when starting a new character in Praetoria. Epic ATs (Kheldians and Soldiers of Arachnos) are not able to start in Praetoria.|
Originally Posted by OmegaElementress
So, what I'm curious about, after watching the spread at Hero-con again.... They said you would be able to start in Praetoria neither as a hero, nor a villian. During the tutorial you make a choice of which side to start aligning with... So, if I'm creating a toon, and I can't pick hero or villian, what are my power choices going to be? Will I be able to pick Brute stats and powers, or Tank stats and powers? Or Corrupters vs Defenders/Blasters? Just something that made me start going "hmmmmmm" after watching.
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From there, the way you play your character decides whether you will become a Hero or a Villain. You can make a Brute that fights the tyranny of Emperor Cole and works to return freedom to the common people, thus making you a Hero. You could also make a Blaster that works as an enforcer within Cole's regime, subjugating the weak civilian populace and halting the efforts of the Resistance as a Villain.
If I recall correctly, a redname mentioned that once you've chosen your AT and powersets and are ready to start the game, a box pops up asking whether you want to go to Paragon/the Rogue Isles or Praetoria, similar to the way the game currently asks if you want to skip the tutorial.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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I seem to recall reading (or hearing in the YouTube videos) that your choices during the Praetorian tutorial level determine your starting contact, not the AT you pick.|
Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel
I got the impression that you'd be able to select loyalist or resistance and that would determine which AT's you got to choose (hero AT's for resistance and villain AT's for loyalist). Then once you got to 20 you could choose hero vs villain for your new home base, thus allowing a resistance blaster to go to the rogue isles and continue leading a life of crime or a loyalist brute to go to Paragon City to continue a life of crime fighting... so to speak.
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From there, even if you start down one path, you generally have the option to switch between Loyalists and Resistance as you like, until you get to level 20 and leave Praetoria for Paragon Earth. And despite any choices you've made up to that point, you get to outright pick Hero or Villain... so you could play a hardcore Loyalist from 1-20 but then hop over to Paragon City instead of becoming a Villain (as the Loyalist path implies).
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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^ This.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I seem to recall reading (or hearing in the YouTube videos) that your choices during the Praetorian tutorial level determine your starting contact, not the AT you pick.
From there, even if you start down one path, you generally have the option to switch between Loyalists and Resistance as you like, until you get to level 20 and leave Praetoria for Paragon Earth. And despite any choices you've made up to that point, you get to outright pick Hero or Villain... so you could play a hardcore Loyalist from 1-20 but then hop over to Paragon City instead of becoming a Villain (as the Loyalist path implies). |
It is, essentially, making the ATs non-side specific. 'Bute' will no longer instantly mean Villain, while 'Blaster' will not instantly mean Hero. Etc.
Also, not sure about the Loyalist/Resistance bit yet. That seems like a 'Yet to Come' thing.
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I finally managed to find Positron's post clarifying things and I had remembered it wrong. This does indeed seem to be how AT choice vs faction choice will work for Praetorians.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
From there, the way you play your character decides whether you will become a Hero or a Villain. You can make a Brute that fights the tyranny of Emperor Cole and works to return freedom to the common people, thus making you a Hero. You could also make a Blaster that works as an enforcer within Cole's regime, subjugating the weak civilian populace and halting the efforts of the Resistance as a Villain.
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That's cool. However it works I'm looking forward to it.
In the end though, us players will have to wait "patiently" until this EXPANSION (not issue) comes out.
All the people that whine about how there is no new content....uh, you have gotten the issue updates have you not? I do recall that there has been new content added to the game. I find it funny how quickly people forget and they want the next shiny thing "yesterday". I will never understand these folks, dont you think that the Dev's have lives outside of City of Heroes/Villains? They are not kept at work 24/7 by a taskmaster with a whip......
Besides if you no longer like this game, go find an other.
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Originally Posted by Sevenpenny
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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keep in mind guys a pre order for christmas is like a pair of socks for Christmas you'll take them but you will not be thrilled. No a January release date would probably make more sense with as the biggest redemption of gift cards occur in January so that would be a good way to entice new player and those who left for that other game to come back. So if a live product can not be delivered by Christmas the January window would be the next best option. Otherwise give us I17 and a booster pack or two and (please no stone throwing) give us a really good GR in the Spring.