City of Heroes Going Rogue - FAQ - Discussion
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Posted on: 2009-05-12 08:06 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Well, take into account if pistols are used in this manner...
https://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthre...ue#Post13597821
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That is the worst powerset idea I have ever seen. It's laughable to think of that as a real sugestion. Dance Sucker, Pistol Whip, they're powers geared twords comedy.
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I know. There is no place for humor in a MMORPG based on super heroes genre from the comic book.
I have never seen comedy in comic books, ever.
I guess getting bullets shot at your feet is kind of funny - until it's done to you.
Oh, I guess you've been hit in the face with a pistol barrel and found it to be a complete laugh as well.
Satire, comedy, serious medicine?
Stand back and take a look. You might just see what what want to see even if your eyes are open. Judgment clouded by preconception. The world is what we make it more often than we might think.
Look, I already asked you to look it up.
Pistols are not generally effective passed 3 to 5 meters. They were designed as last-chance military weapons to be used when your enemy charges at you. They are "knock-down" weapons intended to keep opponents from over running your position.
They are melee weapons. And CoH melee range is 10 feet/3 meters. Look it up
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
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Look, I already asked you to look it up.
Pistols are not generally effective passed 3 to 5 meters. They were designed as last-chance military weapons to be used when your enemy charges at you. They are "knock-down" weapons intended to keep opponents from over running your position.
They are melee weapons. And CoH melee range is 10 feet/3 meters. Look it up
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With the amount of [censored] on these boards about, well everything, but this subject particularly, I find this hilarious.
The "insult every idea to inflate my ego" crowd is even wrong about this.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
Rail... you're wrong. This applies to the majority of the statements you've made in the majority of your posts. Please return to your seat or members of Gunther and Guido Security Services (and Bail Bonds... ask about our two-felonies-for-one Father's Day special!) will escort you out.
With that said, we know return you to your normally scheduled "Going Rogue" Thread... already in progress.
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Look, I already asked you to look it up.
Pistols are not generally effective passed 3 to 5 meters. They were designed as last-chance military weapons to be used when your enemy charges at you. They are "knock-down" weapons intended to keep opponents from over running your position.
They are melee weapons. And CoH melee range is 10 feet/3 meters. Look it up
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Out of curiosity, I did few searches and the effective range of certain pistols appears to be hotly debated. Just what you want to find out...guys who know a lot about firearms having furious internet debates. 
That said, the effective range that seemed to come up most often with regard to 9mm and .45s was 50 meters, not the 3-5 you're suggesting. The debate seems to be over if the average shooter could expect to hit a man-sized target at 50 meters without some kind of brace or rest. In one rather heated argument I read, one guy suggested that a pistol used in a military engagement can't be reliably targeted at more than 50 feet but had to admit that the bullets are lethal far beyond that distance. I would link but I don't really know the sites and what else may be on them. A similar web search should yield similar results.
Of course, in a comic book genre, I don't think much of this is applicable. I can totally buy into heroes and villains making amazing shots from 80 feet especially considering that doesn't seem to be that much of a stretch over reality.
I'm sorry but I just don't think they can accurately be described as melee weapons. While they can certainly be used in melee situations, trying to fit them strictly in that category is a little disingenuous.
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Look, I already asked you to look it up.
Pistols are not generally effective passed 3 to 5 meters. They were designed as last-chance military weapons to be used when your enemy charges at you. They are "knock-down" weapons intended to keep opponents from over running your position.
They are melee weapons. And CoH melee range is 10 feet/3 meters. Look it up
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The maximum EFFECTIVE range of an Beretta 9mm pistol is 50 meters or 54.7 yards, but the maximum range of the bullet itself is 1800 meters. This is the pistol used by all branches excluding the special forces units. It is not a knockdown pistol designed for military as a last resort. It was designed as a secondary weapon in case of failure of your primary weapon. However the average shooter will be lucky to hit a man size target past 25 meters. How do I know this you might ask? I am a Combat Weapons Master Instructor for the United States Marine Corps. As far as them being melee weapons in game I don't know and don't care but they are not melee weapons in the military. That is what your bayonet or k-bar knifes are designed for. 8)
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Well, take into account if pistols are used in this manner...
https://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthre...ue#Post13597821
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You are not even shooting the gun until level 26 that is a wasted weapon, you might as well give him a bat or an umbrella.
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Look, I already asked you to look it up.
Pistols are not generally effective passed 3 to 5 meters. They were designed as last-chance military weapons to be used when your enemy charges at you. They are "knock-down" weapons intended to keep opponents from over running your position.
They are melee weapons. And CoH melee range is 10 feet/3 meters. Look it up
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The maximum EFFECTIVE range of an Beretta 9mm pistol is 50 meters or 54.7 yards, but the maximum range of the bullet itself is 1800 meters. This is the pistol used by all branches excluding the special forces units. It is not a knockdown pistol designed for military as a last resort. It was designed as a secondary weapon in case of failure of your primary weapon. However the average shooter will be lucky to hit a man size target past 25 meters. How do I know this you might ask? I am a Combat Weapons Master Instructor for the United States Marine Corps. As far as them being melee weapons in game I don't know and don't care but they are not melee weapons in the military. That is what your bayonet or k-bar knifes are designed for. 8)
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/e Laughing my [censored] off while asking this
OMG, did...he.....just...pistol...melee......HAHAHA...
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thx alot, now I have to explain to a room full of soldiers that I nearly had convinced to try CoX that not everyone in this game is a moron.
Most everyone in the Army knows this to be true. It's a borad question.
Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
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Look, I already asked you to look it up.
Pistols are not generally effective passed 3 to 5 meters. They were designed as last-chance military weapons to be used when your enemy charges at you. They are "knock-down" weapons intended to keep opponents from over running your position.
They are melee weapons. And CoH melee range is 10 feet/3 meters. Look it up
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The maximum EFFECTIVE range of an Beretta 9mm pistol is 50 meters or 54.7 yards, but the maximum range of the bullet itself is 1800 meters. This is the pistol used by all branches excluding the special forces units. It is not a knockdown pistol designed for military as a last resort. It was designed as a secondary weapon in case of failure of your primary weapon. However the average shooter will be lucky to hit a man size target past 25 meters. How do I know this you might ask? I am a Combat Weapons Master Instructor for the United States Marine Corps. As far as them being melee weapons in game I don't know and don't care but they are not melee weapons in the military. That is what your bayonet or k-bar knifes are designed for. 8)
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/e Laughing my [censored] off while asking this
OMG, did...he.....just...pistol...melee......HAHAHA...
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thx alot, now I have to explain to a room full of soldiers that I nearly had convinced to try CoX that not everyone in this game is a moron.
Most everyone in the Army knows this to be true. It's a borad question.
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This is a game. Reality has no place here. Take an archer. No matter how good he is, he wont be doing rain or arrows. Or many of the other neat tricks at the kind of ranges we use. A bow with exactly the same range as a sniper rifle? Why does shooting an arrow at some one use the same amount of energy as shooting fire from your hand? And how can i use hard rads to arrest a purse snatcher and not have him loose his hair or get cancer?
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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I sniped a yak from 500 yards...with mind bullets!
Hopefully, it's not too late to get this idea thrown into the mix. When I think of going rogue, one scenario that really clicks with me is the idea of a hero having to infiltrate a criminal organization. Trying to accomplish heroic objectives while needing to participate in criminal activities, or likewise working to bring down a group of heroes while appearing to serve the public, could create some very interesting shades of gray in the game. It definitely would appeal to the role-players.
Of course, part of the trick would be creating arcs that fit logically with different archetypes, so that the scenarios would truly challenge the player's notions of their role; for instance, a warshade having to infiltrate the Council. The other trick would be opening up costume options to have a costume that fit with the group being infiltrated. Last but not least, there would have to be consequences for being found out--could be as simple as closing the arc early, as complex as merit "penalties", or some other dimension of consequence.
Finally, this option could be useful in opening up the PVP zones for extended story arcs.
Cheers.
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I sniped a yak from 500 yards...with mind bullets!
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That's telekinesis, Kyle!
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Well, take into account if pistols are used in this manner...
https://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthre...ue#Post13597821
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That is the worst powerset idea I have ever seen. It's laughable to think of that as a real sugestion. Dance Sucker, Pistol Whip, they're powers geared twords comedy.
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I know. There is no place for humor in a MMORPG based on super heroes genre from the comic book.
I have never seen comedy in comic books, ever.
I guess getting bullets shot at your feet is kind of funny - until it's done to you.
Oh, I guess you've been hit in the face with a pistol barrel and found it to be a complete laugh as well.
Satire, comedy, serious medicine?
Stand back and take a look. You might just see what what want to see even if your eyes are open. Judgment clouded by preconception. The world is what we make it more often than we might think.
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OK let me rephraise, That sugestion is built entirely to make fun of people who sugested Pistols as a Melee set. Hence my comment about it's not a real sugestion. Geared twards humor was refering to the fact it's makeing fun of anyone who thinks that is a real sugestion not that the sugestion in itself was funny.
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They were designed as last-chance military weapons to be used when your enemy charges at you.
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No, that would be the bayonet (spelling) that you're describing there. It's a blade about the size of a knife that attaches to the end of a riffle.
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I didn't read ahead before I posted but it seems psdguy has confirmed this for me.
Depending on the gun and the shooter the range will verry but under no sercumstances is a loaded gun ever a melee weapon.
Guns no matter what are designed to SHOOT targets from a DISTANCE. Any gun that has to be brought into melee range to use shouldn't even be manufactured because that completly defeats the purpos of haveing a gun in the first place.
You shouldn't need to look this up to know this, it's common sence. Guns are ranged weapons, it's that simple.
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Look, I already asked you to look it up.
Pistols are not generally effective passed 3 to 5 meters. They were designed as last-chance military weapons to be used when your enemy charges at you. They are "knock-down" weapons intended to keep opponents from over running your position.
They are melee weapons. And CoH melee range is 10 feet/3 meters. Look it up
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The maximum EFFECTIVE range of an Beretta 9mm pistol is 50 meters or 54.7 yards, but the maximum range of the bullet itself is 1800 meters. This is the pistol used by all branches excluding the special forces units. It is not a knockdown pistol designed for military as a last resort. It was designed as a secondary weapon in case of failure of your primary weapon. However the average shooter will be lucky to hit a man size target past 25 meters. How do I know this you might ask? I am a Combat Weapons Master Instructor for the United States Marine Corps. As far as them being melee weapons in game I don't know and don't care but they are not melee weapons in the military. That is what your bayonet or k-bar knifes are designed for. 8)
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When I was in the service, many years ago, we were issued a M-16 A2, short barrel 12ga. pump, and a 1911 Colt .45 with .45 ACP FMJ ammo. The Colt served us very well. I am sorry to hear that you are now issued Barretas. For home defense, I use a Glock 30 compact .45 using .45 GAC HP ammo. It is sighted for 10 yards because it is a "home defense" weapon. The range is much more than that, but 30 feet suits it's purpose. All guns have a range, hence why they are ranged weapons, not melee. If u want a melee weapon, try a baseball bat, they work well.
Anyway, has anyone heard about a perspective release date for this expansion? I'm really looking forward to it.
I know the DEVS are not going to give us a release date but can they tell us the order of items coming out? Is i16 next or will it be Rogue?
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I know the DEVS are not going to give us a release date but can they tell us the order of items coming out? Is i16 next or will it be Rogue?
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Sources point to: "They're the same thing"
i.e. Going Rogue will be released as the expansion for purchase of the full game with Praetoria and side-switching abilities and all the nifty stuff, and when it's release i16 will go live to give people access to all of the stuff that the playerbase at large needs for the game to continue functioning, like the new powersets that people will be running around with, the ability to process rogue characters in new settings, any new missions that take place on primal earth, that sort of stuff. You'll have to buy Going Rogue to take advantage of everything, but i16 will have some nice goodies for everyone.
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I know the DEVS are not going to give us a release date but can they tell us the order of items coming out? Is i16 next or will it be Rogue?
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Sources point to: "They're the same thing"
i.e. Going Rogue will be released as the expansion for purchase of the full game with Praetoria and side-switching abilities and all the nifty stuff, and when it's release i16 will go live to give people access to all of the stuff that the playerbase at large needs for the game to continue functioning, like the new powersets that people will be running around with, the ability to process rogue characters in new settings, any new missions that take place on primal earth, that sort of stuff. You'll have to buy Going Rogue to take advantage of everything, but i16 will have some nice goodies for everyone.
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First quote, the next update is I15 and it will be out LONG before going Rouge allthough I personally don't see anything of interest with the I15.
Second Quote, what sources? I thought that was just random speculation?
Not spicifically directed at anyone inparticular, I think it's possible I16 will be out before Going Rouge but definatly not after. CoV launched simultaniously with one of the Updates to the game and Going Rouge will do the same thing but I don't know for sure that I16 will be the Going Rouge update.
Rial, the site for Going Rogue references i16 in the subscribe link, implying that i16 is the one to coincide with Rogue. I didn't say I knew for sure, and really the sources thing was more a figure of speech. Also I said that it would release simultaneously, not after. Not in so many words given, but that's regardless.
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I said that it would release simultaneously, not after. Not in so many words given, but that's regardless.
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Sorry, I never said you did but I reread my post and realized I unintentionally implyed that you did.
My post was segmented into 3 parts and only the second part was directed spicifically at you. The 3rd part to it wasn't really directed at either of you but was just added for the general readers who weren't around for the launch of CoV and therefore aren't sure how exspansions work in relation to the regular updates, allthough I didn't really make that clear. Sorry for the confusion and I've changed my previous post.
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Rial, the site for Going Rogue references i16 in the subscribe link, implying that i16 is the one to coincide with Rogue. I didn't say I knew for sure, and really the sources thing was more a figure of speech. Also I said that it would release simultaneously, not after. Not in so many words given, but that's regardless.
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So much for that speculation.
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Err, yeah. So I saw. Anywhoozle, Posi did say that we'd have more info on that in July, so hopefully that'll include some semblance of a timeline for releases.
Still say that Going Rogue won't be this year.
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Well, take into account if pistols are used in this manner...
https://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthre...ue#Post13597821
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That is the worst powerset idea I have ever seen. It's laughable to think of that as a real sugestion. Dance Sucker, Pistol Whip, they're powers geared twords comedy.