City of Heroes Going Rogue - FAQ - Discussion
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7thCynic,
Posted on: 2009-05-12 08:06 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Oh ... lookie here ... I can't wait to go back through all the posts in this thread to see how many feathers are leftover ...
... you know from all the crow that's being eaten. 
They said it would/could never be done, would upset the AT balance, kittens would die, whatever ...
How you like me NOW? 
My Crossover dreams are coming true, you silly fanboy apologists! Begone, and let the rest of us play!
Cheers!
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Oh ... lookie here ... I can't wait to go back through all the posts in this thread to see how many feathers are leftover ...
... you know from all the crow that's being eaten.
They said it would/could never be done, would upset the AT balance, kittens would die, whatever ...
How you like me NOW?
My Crossover dreams are coming true, you silly fanboy apologists! Begone, and let the rest of us play!
Cheers!
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I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up.
Yeah how many times has this idea been sugested on the fourms and haveing a bunch of people here claiming it would never happen.
No one has ever put up a good argument for why it wouldn't be done but now that it's confimed I'm still wandering where all the haters are. I was amazed to come in here and find people exsided about going Rouge. Where are the flamers who said side switching would never be possible, never be allowed, and all that crap.
I'm betting they'll never step foot in any topic mentioning going rouge because then they'll have to admit to being wrong. On the other hand they could come in here and try to claim it's all fake but no one will belive them.
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Oh ... lookie here ... I can't wait to go back through all the posts in this thread to see how many feathers are leftover ...
... you know from all the crow that's being eaten.
They said it would/could never be done, would upset the AT balance, kittens would die, whatever ...
How you like me NOW?
My Crossover dreams are coming true, you silly fanboy apologists! Begone, and let the rest of us play!
Cheers!
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I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up.
Yeah how many times has this idea been sugested on the fourms and haveing a bunch of people here claiming it would never happen.
No one has ever put up a good argument for why it wouldn't be done but now that it's confimed I'm still wandering where all the haters are. I was amazed to come in here and find people exsided about going Rouge. Where are the flamers who said side switching would never be possible, never be allowed, and all that crap.
I'm betting they'll never step foot in any topic mentioning going rouge because then they'll have to admit to being wrong. On the other hand they could come in here and try to claim it's all fake but no one will belive them.
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I was never a big side-switching naysayer because I honestly never really cared very much about the issue. I can't recall if I ever put this into a post but I have no trouble saying that I didn't think it would happen, mostly because it seemed like something the players really wanted and I just thought they might drag their feet on it to such a point that the game would run out of life before it could happen.
It's also worth mentioning that I always had the impression of side-switching being something that originated with the players and player-originated suggestions seem to be especially slow in coming. However, since there have been discoveries of some alternate names for existing badges (that would seem to be indicative of heroes becoming villains and vice versa), it looks like the Devs may have anticipated this from CoV launch. I was wrong in that impression as well.
I was wrong, I tells ya. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. 
Now, I'm pretty sure that somewhere down the line I said power customization was going never happen so if they Devs really want me to park my foot in my mouth...
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i wonder if the new universial enhament slots are different than normal, i mean can they take any io/enh ? so i can add a needed 4th set item for a set bonus, or will it be only special universial enhanments?
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They will be different than normal, I'm sure. They will apply their effects to the character as a whole, somewhat like a set bonus, rather than to a particular individual power.
Quite a long time ago I made a related suggestion, that being that you could have special slots that would apply a secondary effect or damage type to your attacks. So, for example, you could have a Broadsword scrapper with a flaming blade, and the damage for all attacks would change from lethal to lethal/fire and maybe gain a small amount of DoT. I've no idea if this will be possible with these Universal Enhancements, of course, but I'm enjoying contemplating the possibilities.
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i wonder if the new universial enhament slots are different than normal, i mean can they take any io/enh ? so i can add a needed 4th set item for a set bonus, or will it be only special universial enhanments?
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They will be different than normal, I'm sure. They will apply their effects to the character as a whole, somewhat like a set bonus, rather than to a particular individual power.
Quite a long time ago I made a related suggestion, that being that you could have special slots that would apply a secondary effect or damage type to your attacks. So, for example, you could have a Broadsword scrapper with a flaming blade, and the damage for all attacks would change from lethal to lethal/fire and maybe gain a small amount of DoT. I've no idea if this will be possible with these Universal Enhancements, of course, but I'm enjoying contemplating the possibilities.
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You know, that's not a bad idea. It would be interesting to have enhancements that either went to protecting agenst or giveing you a sertain DMG type that you wouldn't normally have on your spicific character. However I don't think it would be possible.
I think the deves have allready said and I'm not sure why, but I read somewere that they can't add any auras to weapons without the weapon itself comming with the aura in the first place. What I mean is like the Warshade sword and sheild have that aura built into them rather than haveing to select it from the Auras menu and add it to your weapon.
At any rate, I'm kinda hopeing at some point in the future they can make a way to change your enhancements around without changeing all your powers.
There have been a few times when I've liked all my powers but not the way they were slotted and ended up useing respecs just to move enhancment slots around. I've actully done this with my Materminds sence I planed out all their powers from 1-50 before I even made them.
So is the switching of sides only going to be available through a Task Force/Strike Force? And only from a higher up level? I'm really hoping not.
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I hope they add some new ORIGINAL ATs, all new tiles sets, new epic powers and costume creator v.2. Most of that was in that old survey list and I hope it's happening with ROGUE.
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Due to the new post on the home page, it looks like they are releasing an updated version of the costume creator that they have "been working on for a long time", which sounds awesome. Seeing as that is a pretty big deal for CoX, I'd put my money on the release of Going Rogue for that. Also, the introduction of the dude with the dual pistols makes me think maybe we'll be getting a dual pistol scrapper like a few people asked for a long, LONG time ago in the forums. Possibly some new villain groups too, and some ATs. That would be great.
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Also, the introduction of the dude with the dual pistols makes me think maybe we'll be getting a dual pistol scrapper like a few people asked for a long, LONG time ago in the forums.
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Scrappers are strictly Melee characters, what are you planning on doing with a Dual Weild Scrapper, hitting people with your guns?
It's more likely that Dual Weild would be avalible for Blasters and Corrupters as a Primary Powerset and maybe Defenders as a Secondary.
Hello, I beta tested COV but have not tried any of the expansions before. I did not create a second copy of COH. before I started the test proceedings...I, know, have to d/l a new copy of COH to play the normal game...correct?
Cenobyte
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Hello, I beta tested COV but have not tried any of the expansions before. I did not create a second copy of COH. before I started the test proceedings...I, know, have to d/l a new copy of COH to play the normal game...correct?
Cenobyte
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Completely wrong place. You want to try technical issues forum or player questions. I'd try to help myself but to be totally honest I have no idea what you're asking. Your phrasing throws me off. o.O
And back to the topic at hand:
Everyone who says Dual Pistol Scrapper makes me want to scream. Scrapper is melee, guns are ranged. Dual Pistols will be a ranged set barring the possibility of a pistol whip move in a connected secondary. Also, there is no "possibility" of it, we ARE getting Pistols and Demon Summoning, Posi said so himself during interviews on the Anniversary.
And since nobody can be totally precognitive I'll just put this out there: If for some reason we DO get a melee Dual Pistols set... then the devs are complete morons as it makes no sense, player request be damned.
I really hope ROGUE adds a completely new angle to this game. DIFFERENT powers, tile sets and ATs. Much like VILLS added new ATs (kinda) and that type of thing. I am assuming it will be a new angle and all fresh, new stuff. If not then I will have to pass on it. I am 100% sure I'll pass on it if it isn't out before Sept 1 
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Hello, I beta tested COV but have not tried any of the expansions before.
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There were no expansions before CoV, so it would be impossible for you to have done so. Kinda hard to try expansions that don't exsist. 
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I did not create a second copy of COH. before I started the test proceedings...I, know, have to d/l a new copy of COH to play the normal game...correct?
Cenobyte
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You don't need to download a second copy of CoH all you needed to do was upgrade your exsisting account if you had one if not then you could still play the game without CoH but you would of only had access to the villain side of the game however that was recently changed (big kick in the butt to anyone who bought both versions to play both versions before this) so now you only need one version of the game to play both sides.
Speaking of which if they're going to do that again I want to know ahead of time because I'm not going to buy the going rogue expansion if they're going to pull that again, I'll just wait till I can side switch for free. If they're actully going to require you to buy it and CONTINUE to inforce that you need to buy the exspansion to play the expansion then I'll spend the money on it.
That pissed me off when CoH and CoV became avalible to everyone who didn't spend the money to buy both games seperately. (Good vs Evil edition exscluded from this. I'm only refering to accounts who ONLY have CoH or ONLY have CoV but can still play both.) I feel like I waisted money on a game I could of got for free at a later date and I would of waited for that later date had I known it was going to happen.
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Hello, I beta tested COV but have not tried any of the expansions before.
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There were no expansions before CoV, so it would be impossible for you to have done so. Kinda hard to try expansions that don't exsist.
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I did not create a second copy of COH. before I started the test proceedings...I, know, have to d/l a new copy of COH to play the normal game...correct?
Cenobyte
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You don't need to download a second copy of CoH all you needed to do was upgrade your exsisting account if you had one if not then you could still play the game without CoH but you would of only had access to the villain side of the game however that was recently changed (big kick in the butt to anyone who bought both versions to play both versions before this) so now you only need one version of the game to play both sides.
Speaking of which if they're going to do that again I want to know ahead of time because I'm not going to buy the going rogue expansion if they're going to pull that again, I'll just wait till I can side switch for free. If they're actully going to require you to buy it and CONTINUE to inforce that you need to buy the exspansion to play the expansion then I'll spend the money on it.
That pissed me off when CoH and CoV became avalible to everyone who didn't spend the money to buy both games seperately. (Good vs Evil edition exscluded from this. I'm only refering to accounts who ONLY have CoH or ONLY have CoV but can still play both.) I feel like I waisted money on a game I could of got for free at a later date and I would of waited for that later date had I known it was going to happen.
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Didn't they give the other game for free like 4 years later? Or almost 4 years? I really doubt you would have waited that long. Give me a break. You could have bought the other version for $10 when NCS gave you the other side for free. I call BS.
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Didn't they give the other game for free like 4 years later? Or almost 4 years? I really doubt you would have waited that long. Give me a break. You could have bought the other version for $10 when NCS gave you the other side for free. I call BS.
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I really don't remember how long it was but it doesn't really matter. Either it should of been this way from the start meaning it would of been an free update insted of a paid expansion or it should still be the same as when CoV first came out, requireing both CoH and CoV to play both CoH and CoV.
Technically it could probly be considered faulse advertiseing because they told us it was required to buy the expansion in order to play it then they changed that so that now you didn't have to buy it.
Basically they made us belive that we needed to buy something that was going to be free. It's about as bad as bottled water companies but worse. At least with water you know you can get it for free before you buy it.
How is this going to work? Will we have Masterminds in Paragon?
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How is this going to work? Will we have Masterminds in Paragon?
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Exactly. Read the press release on it on the news page and it'll tell you everything that we know so far.
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Didn't they give the other game for free like 4 years later? Or almost 4 years? I really doubt you would have waited that long. Give me a break. You could have bought the other version for $10 when NCS gave you the other side for free. I call BS.
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I really don't remember how long it was but it doesn't really matter. Either it should of been this way from the start meaning it would of been an free update insted of a paid expansion or it should still be the same as when CoV first came out, requireing both CoH and CoV to play both CoH and CoV.
Technically it could probly be considered faulse advertiseing because they told us it was required to buy the expansion in order to play it then they changed that so that now you didn't have to buy it.
Basically they made us belive that we needed to buy something that was going to be free. It's about as bad as bottled water companies but worse. At least with water you know you can get it for free before you buy it.
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Sorry but after 4 years (approx) the expansion was not likely going to sell. I actually saw CoV at Big Lots for $5 recently. It's depreciation. I see your point but the real world does not work the way you would suggest.
You do have a point but CoV and CoH are old games now. Imagine how annoyed we'll all be if CO and DCUO wipe out the game. That's life. These things happen. Life is NOT always fair.
NCSoft is trying hard to compete with the new games. They did ok with i14 but MA has a lot of problems right now. They didn't plan it too well - great tool/feature though.
It seems the CoX people realize they better answer each competitors big item with their own. I am suspecting we'll be going ROGUE in Sept but who knows. It's just a game. I would like to stay with CoX but if CO comes out before ROGUE I will head to the new game. I have history and would love to stay but CoX has had weak updates, repetitive content and large gaps between new stuff. Not good enough.
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Sorry but after 4 years (approx) the expansion was not likely going to sell. I actually saw CoV at Big Lots for $5 recently. It's depreciation. I see your point but the real world does not work the way you would suggest.
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Actully it's supose to. There are faulse advertisement laws to prevent things like this from happening however I don't think they've ever been enforced.
If you say something just to sell a product and it's not true that's fause advertiseing and it is illegal.
Of course they could get around that law by saying that at the time what they said WAS true and that they hadn't intended to change that. This is what's known as a legal loop hole.
At any rate please tell me that CoH is on sale for $5 allso because of the fact you only need one of them to play both someone could buy that $5 CoV and still be able to play the game without getting CoH but if someone doesn't know that they could end up buying CoH insted not realizeing they're both exactly the same now.
That's another thing that bugs me, at my Wall-Mart there's useually a display stand in the front of the store with new movies on it, thoughs same movies are sold in the back of the store but for a cheaper price.
Yet another loop hole they can claim that you're paying for convienence which is how they sell bottled water. But is it really that much more convient to buy a DvD in the front of the store than in the back of the same store? I mean that just doesn't make any sence to me. I don't see any reason why anyone would buy the DvDs from there unless they came in spicifically for that movie and nothing else and I doubt that happens too offten.
What I think is that it's just a trap because that display stand is easier to see what movies are avalible off it before you get to the back of the store and once you have the DvD you want in hand you're not going to bother to look for it in the back.
I probly bought about 8 movies from that display stand before I noticed there was a price difference between there and the same movies in the back of the store. And the way I found out was that my dad some times goes a different direction when we first come in going to cloths first then to electronics while I went straight to electronics and we both grabed the same movie but I grabed from the display he grabed from the shelfs in the back and the one he grabed was about $10 cheaper.
I even asked the casheer about this and she gave me that convience crap, I allways head to the back of the store now.
At the time CoV was released, it was a paid expansion (altho' both sides got lots of new 'stuff'). You needed both games to:
* Increase character slots per server from 8 to 12
* Unlock bases
* Unlock the 'other side'
* Unlock the costume options for both sides (altho' this was buggy and some things have never recovered from being munged up, inc. female faces).
Now, we fast forward nearly a year later, when GvE came out. This was when they 'bundled' both games in one box, and also announced that you no longer needed to by 'both sides' but that only one game was needed, INCLUDING the original CoH or CoV releases. Any boxed Co* game gave you full access after this point.
And yes, there was a lot of [censored] about people having 'spent good money' on boxed games (or code equivalent) when they didn't 'need' to. The same reply was given then as I'm giving now: EVERY full game purchase includes a month of play, meaning that the 'extras' you paid for (slots, CoV access, costumes, rocket packs, VIP access, costumes, emotes) are actually $15 CHEAPER. If your intention was to get them anyway, then you just saved money.
Theoretically, someone could go around to the closeout/discount stores such as Big Lots, buy one of each boxed game that NCSoft has put out including the collectors editions, and end up with a LOT of paid play time and a plethora of extras, for a lot LESS than if they were to buy one game and then pay the monthly fee to get the same amount of paid time.
It's an older game, but it has continued to develop and change over the last 5 years. I have no regrets for buying the CoH Collectors Edition, the CoV initial release, the GvE game (multiple copies as I have two accounts), and the Architect edition, plus all the goodie packs that have been available in between.
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
Rial, it's not false advertisement. False advertising would have been if they said City of Villains would do something like give us fifty new AT's and allow you to use copywritten names and then when you bought it there was nothing like what was advertised. They told us we had to buy COV to play it even if we owned COH and we did. We got exactly what it said on the box. When it first came out that was how the system worked and it was planned to stay that way. A few years later that changed and they decided to be nice to the players and give us both for anyone that owned one. I bought both and I don't give a flying frog about it. Get over it.
If you're so upset about it go make a thread somewhere else. You're derailing the topic again.
I have to be honest, WTH is this?
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Q: Can you tell us anything else about the game zones, features, systems, etc.?
A: Not at this time. We will announce more details about this product later this year.
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I have no understanding as to why you didn't wait to make the "announcement" till you actually had something substainitive to "announce". Oh needed to get the hype machine rolling, oh I see. PFFT!!!!!!!!!!!
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Actully it's supose to. There are faulse advertisement laws to prevent things like this from happening however I don't think they've ever been enforced.
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I will elect not to comment on your lack of legal knowledge, other than to say that anyone who believes a company could engage in blatantly illegal behavior in the manner you claim and not find themselves targeted by a class action suit, in today's legal environment, is incorrect.
Early adopters for anything pay a premium.
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That's another thing that bugs me, at my Wall-Mart there's useually a display stand in the front of the store with new movies on it, thoughs same movies are sold in the back of the store but for a cheaper price.
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For it to ring at a different price, it has to have a different UPC. For it to have a different UPC, it has to be a different item. What you will most frequently see at the front of a store are promotional/feature-laden versions of movies, while the less expensive, non-exclusive, feature-lite versions are kept with the bulk of the movies.
If the two things rang at different prices, they were not the same item. There's no magic tag that registers can use to tell what part of a store the same exact item came from.
My postings to this forum are not to be used as data in any research study without my express written consent.
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I have to be honest, WTH is this?
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Q: Can you tell us anything else about the game zones, features, systems, etc.?
A: Not at this time. We will announce more details about this product later this year.
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I have no understanding as to why you didn't wait to make the "announcement" till you actually had something substainitive to "announce". Oh needed to get the hype machine rolling, oh I see. PFFT!!!!!!!!!!!
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I guess that it served its purpose, which was to cover and distract from posirant.
we all know this.
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
I doubt it, actually. We didn't really have much information on City of Villains when it was first announced, either. I'd go so far as to say that we have more information on Going Rogue now than we had at a similar stage of City of Villains, which would be coinciding with the initial trailer.
I think the initial e-mail did get out early, but that it was only by about 12 hours.
"I wish my life was a non-stop Hollywood movie show,
A fantasy world of celluloid villains and heroes."
I haven't heard anything about the universal Enh Slots in quite awhile....is there any new news out recently? If it was said it will be part of issue 16 I must have miissed it.