Free respec for i8?


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/respecs are a dangling-carrot that keeps long-time Players playing their old-borked characters which are messed up from improper builds.

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I don't get it. How do people burn through three earned Respecs and all their free ones?

I've never done a Respec on most of my characters. My Controller just hit 43 and hasn't done a single one, free or otherwise. I've used several free respecs on characters that were impacted by the changes in certain issues. (I'm looking at you, ED!) I've only used one earned Respec on one character.

I can see how sometimes you could Respec into something bad and need to Respec again to fix it, but hey, that's what the test server is for. How are people breaking things so badly they need to Respec this often? Is it a Min/Max thing? Maybe that's why I don't care about them. I don't pay enough attention to the numbers to know if I'm "borked."

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Dunno. I have 2 charactrers that have used more than one Respec. I have 1 character who had to earn one to use it. THe rest are just lying about unused.


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The other day the American Society for Microbiology sent me a free insulated lunchbox thing, y'know, the canvas kind. I think it's a nice one, too. Out of the blue. I didn't renew my subscription. I hadn't submitted an abstract for anything. I just came home and there was a box with a free lunchbox with their logo stenciled on the side.

By the above logic, I wouldn't have appreciated it because it was free. In fact, I appreciated it quite a bit. I thought it was very nice for them to send me this little bonus doohickey for no reason other than I was a member. Not even an expensive member. I pay grad student dues. I'm more disposed to renew my subscription now than I was before because they sent me this little free whatchit.

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I would if what they sent me was a consumable like pens. Lunchboxes don't really get used up.


 

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I try PvP on many of my supers and villains, find my current powersets lacking for that environment and thus must respec into another power pool or choices.

In all honesty, would it really kill the developers to give us one free permanent respec to our level 30+ characters...so we can play around with things?

It would look like "Welcome to the City of Heroes, Neuronia! You have 1 free respec available." And that 1 free respec would always stay there. I think it would be wonderful to always be able to tweak myself...I hear in that "other game" you simply pay money for the ability to do so.

Here...you have to wait till level 24 if you've mistakenly taken a power or taken a power you regret later, then every 10 levels or when a new issue arises.

Not only should there be a Respec given with Issue 8, there must be a perma-spec among the veteran rewards; it will definitely fuel the creative and pvp desires amongs those of us who go: "I wonder how THIS works?" but never have a chance to find out until we backtrack.


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Don't count on it. There might be something from the veteran rewards tho.

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Don't count on it. There might be something from the veteran rewards tho.

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Don't count on it. There might be something from the veteran rewards tho.

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You mean Tal wasn't everybody's favorite forum poster before?

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Don't count on it. There might be something from the veteran rewards tho.

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Don't count on it. There might be something from the veteran rewards tho.

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Just so you guys know there are players out there that have extremely gimped builds, that would not survive the respec trial. Believe me on this I seen it first hand. Once I realized their builds I had to quit because there is no way we would survive that.


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Don't count on it. There might be something from the veteran rewards tho.

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Don't count on it. There might be something from the veteran rewards tho.

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If we really are getting a respec as a veteran reward, I hope its a higher-end respec then normal (aka, allowing you to change power sets or name or something). A reward that duplicates something that we get from multiple quests, holidays, and issues just doesn't have that special unique feel that I would hope most of the vet rewards would supply.


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Yeah, I was a little dissapointed with the whole "free respec every issue" idea too... it's always bad when people get expectations of free stuff, because then it isn't appreciated.

But they've pretty much decided on it at this point, giving respecs when there have been no major changes. So... at this point, I'd expect one, but like others... not really appreciate it.

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I'd appreciate it to the point of hugging a dev for it. Then again, I've been hoping for one so I can fix Raura ever since I borked her with the I7 freespec.


 

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Free respecs introduced in January 2005, with Issue 3.

Issue 3 - free respec given
Issue 4 - free respec given
Issue 5 - free respec given
Issue 6 - free respec given
Issue 7 - free respec given

Note: some respecs were given shortly before an issue release, some shortly after.

The devs should just say what their policy is. "No, we do not plan to give out free respecs every issue" or "Yes, we will be issuing a free respec with each issue" or "We won't be giving out free respecs every issue, but we might be giving out free punch and pie".

Easy peasy.


 

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Just so you guys know there are players out there that have extremely gimped builds, that would not survive the respec trial. Believe me on this I seen it first hand. Once I realized their builds I had to quit because there is no way we would survive that.

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I had by my standards today an extremely gimp build in i2 when the trial was introduced and managed to complete the trial. The trial aint that hard.


 

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/agreed.

Just bring team members who aren't gimped and mooch off them.


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Free respecs introduced in January 2005, with Issue 3.

Issue 3 - free respec given
Issue 4 - free respec given
Issue 5 - free respec given
Issue 6 - free respec given
Issue 7 - free respec given

Note: some respecs were given shortly before an issue release, some shortly after.

The devs should just say what their policy is. "No, we do not plan to give out free respecs every issue" or "Yes, we will be issuing a free respec with each issue" or "We won't be giving out free respecs every issue, but we might be giving out free punch and pie".

Easy peasy.

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I agree to a point. I just think they should give out a respec every issue. Not because it's needed, but because they have given one out on or around every issue since 3. Also because Statesman told me more than a year ago they were looking to create a unlimited respec trial for level 50s which we are still waiting for.


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In all honesty, would it really kill the developers to give us one free permanent respec to our level 30+ characters...so we can play around with things?

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Shuffle around 67 enhancements more than once a year? Please god no! Takes a bloody hour.

Actually, I've yet to use a second respec on any character I own, most of them have 3-5 'banked' against future major changes. Probably because I just don't feel that optimax perfection is a) acheivable or b) necessary. Or maybe I'm just good at making good stable, flexible builds, I dunno.

But watching characters swap back and forth between PvP and PvE builds daily....no, I think that's quite a bit too much to ask for.

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"I wonder how THIS works?" but never have a chance to find out until we backtrack.

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With all due respect, that's what the Test Server is for.


 

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Also because Statesman told me more than a year ago they were looking to create a unlimited respec trial for level 50s which we are still waiting for.

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That's probably the best reason I've heard for a freespec in this entire thread.


 

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I've never had to use up all three earned (trial) respects on a char yet, despite all of the major power changes that have gone by since I3...there have just been too many free respecs given out.

Just as a side note, power balance and whatnot aside, I don't really enjoy having to respec a bunch of chars every release. So I don't, I mostly just live with what we're given, respecting only a single char at most and attempting to use gained slots to adjust for changes.


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Free respecs introduced in January 2005, with Issue 3.

Issue 3 - free respec given
Issue 4 - free respec given
Issue 5 - free respec given
Issue 6 - free respec given
Issue 7 - free respec given

Note: some respecs were given shortly before an issue release, some shortly after.

The devs should just say what their policy is. "No, we do not plan to give out free respecs every issue" or "Yes, we will be issuing a free respec with each issue" or "We won't be giving out free respecs every issue, but we might be giving out free punch and pie".

Easy peasy.

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Acually they HAVE said what their policy is try checking their old posts before complaining.

They give free respecs when there is a change to the game or builds which would significantly effect players such that they may need to respec their characters. They may also give them out as a reward such as deemed fit by the Devs such as Christmas/Anniversary or CoH etc. But don't count on those they are at Devs whim.

I8 doesn't have any changes to game play or changes to sets so there is no reason for a free respec. I felt it was obvious there would be no free respec.


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Issue 3 - Regen got nerf-beaten.. respec for them
Issue 4 - Regen continues to be beaten, holds tweaked along with Travel Supression, and i think HO's were changed..Respec for that
Issue 5 - GDN, coupled with HO's less effectiveness.. I.E. major power changes.. Respec
Issue 6 - ED.. nuff said
Issue 7 - They were NOT giving a respec with these, but, with summoned powers getting new tech, (Rains are buffable, same with burn and pets then) Respec.


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I8 doesn't have any changes to game play or changes to sets so there is no reason for a free respec. I felt it was obvious there would be no free respec.


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No, there have definately been changes to various powers since the last issue launched. Whether those changes were major or minor largely depends on whether they affect you or not. :-/

Personally, I think it's a mistake to limit respecs to a maximum of three that requires completion of a group task. Giving out free respecs is a nice way to redress the issue, and once an issue (give or take) seems like a good rate for it. That way, no matter how screwball your build, or how unpopular your gaming time, the sun will always come out in a few months at most.

I suppose veteran rewards could similarly solve the problem, but it would take a fairly ongoing set of respecs to fix the problem, and for most veterans (who just don't respec anywhere near that often) this would wind up being a fairly lackluster reward.

So really, why not add a respec with each issue? It doesn't cost the devs anything to do it, and they don't pile up.

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