Oh... and before I forget.
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And last but not least.
If at level 50 you can go and get the isolator badge. Just because my character has the Isolator badge, doesn't mean I don't want to do the mission.
... and have...ha, ha, two, ha, ha, ha, badges! Muuuhhhahahahaha!
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I said - "I'll never get Celebrant because I wasnt around, & you'll never get Isolator because you weren't around. plain & simple!!!"
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Yes, and what you said was simply and demonstrably wrong. Those of us with pre-I2 characters were around. So your point, such as it is, is based on a completely false premise.
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You state my point for me.
I missed the early event badges because it was IMPOSSIBLE.
You missed Isolator because it was IMPOSSIBLE.
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And why were these two things IMPOSSIBLE?
You missed the early event badges because you were not a subscriber at that time. This is perfectly fair.
We missed Isolator even though we were subscribers at the time. This is blatantly unfair.
From the moment you became a subscriber, you had the opportunity to obtain every badge that anyone else was able to get. Our pre-I2 toons have been denied that same opportunity.
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Why cant everybody see that the give Isolator to everyone arguement is just as valid as give ALL badges to everyone arguements!
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Everybody cant see this because it isnt true.
I trimmed a lot of ridiculous ad homonims from your post. You also managed to use the straw man, an appeal to emotion, and even a form of the slippery slope. I wont bother going over them, as none of them were worth the effort to even read, let alone respond to.
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I am beginning to see your point Beef... The new question is why dont you guys want US to get the badge? I thought this was a stupid badge? Is it that you have something we dont? Neener Neener? If the Dev's allow us to get this badge, no matter what insidious design they come up with, I will do the steps needed to aquire the one badge that mocks me.
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Liquid, come up with as many anologies as you want, hey I know quote the McDonalds post...lol
It still does not justify why pre-issue 2 heroes could not be given the chance to earn it just as everyone else did when badge came out and to this day.
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Nor have you been able to justify why you should be able to earn this badge outside of Isolator, other then "I want it! I want it! It's unfair if its not given to me!". The simple fact is that you, me, and everyone else who had been around before Issue 2 had already long passed the requirements to get said badge. And the requirements to get it should not be switched around just because of some misplaced belief of entitlement of the so-called "Loyal Customers".
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Isolator is not a yearly badge and does not change each year, its the same badge day in and day out. So that does not compare to your skipping jump rope contests.
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Except for the fact that you can no longer fulfill the requirements to get the badge once you leave the tutorial. Hell, you shouldn't be able to exemplar down (Or sidekick up) to get badges from missions you missed either.
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As for the special event badges, like I said before earlier in this thread which Im sure you didn't read since all you like to do is argue over what someone else wants. But all your suggestions are perfectly fine...lol
...better yet, Im not repeating myself, not worth the time to argue with you because you are so anti everything people suggest.
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...Except for the fact that I've supported several suggestions by players that have actually been worthwhile. Such as adding an indicator to show if a player in a group wont get experience because of level differences, like Leech suggested here. Or Robotech_Masters request to make things a little more clear in the subscription screen about how to upgrade your CoH account with CoV. And I also liked the idea of adding "Light" powersets to CoH/CoV as suggested by _Technomancer. Or making positron "Bounce" in steel canyon, as suggested by CodeGuy. Or even adding a Shikigami/Possession powerset like KerianValentine asked.
But of course, you don't want to hear that, do you? You'd rather imagine big, bad, unreasonable LiquidX, sitting in his ivory tower, unreasonable and unrationally poo-pooing every single idea that belongs to someone.
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Now I can see why your forum posts are so high, you spend more time spreading your anti-ism on the forums rather then playing the game.
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Ahhh yes, the old ploy of trying to dismiss everything someone says by using their post count. Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, it's because I have been here on these boards since before beta, making suggestions and generally entertaining people? Or maybe, just maybe, I don't always have access to a computer that can run CoH/CoV but CAN spend my time browsing the forums instead? Or that I read the forums AND play at the same time? (Much like KaliMagdelene does). Oh wait, I forgot... If you did that, then you wouldn't have a convenient excuse to try to dismiss anything that differs from your opinion...
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Have fun tearing this thread apart too.
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Well, as I stated in Emeralds original thread, I'd be willing to compromise IF the "new" earnable Isolator badge had different text.
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BTW? Who the hell made you God Almighty to say you will compromise? Like its your choice if the badge is brought to us by the devs, they will do it, not because you said you will compromise.
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Nor will they do it just because of your self-rightous belief that you are entitled to your every whim just because of you time in the game.
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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't expecting it.
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IF we were to ever add a way to get Isolator post-Tutorial, it would most likely be incredibly hard to get. Annoyingly hard. Irritatingly hard. There-would-be-a-zillion-people-asking-to-make-it-easier hard.
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Harder than soloing a controller to 32 pre-containment?
Don't underestimate your playerbase, Posi.
Now I can understand why people would want to get the Isolator badge, but I don't get how people can feel so strongly about pre-I2s NOT getting a chance for the badge. I mean seriously, what's the harm? It doesn't go towards an accolade, so it has no real effect on gameplay. It's just a little, shiney, and ultimately useless badge.
I say find all the pre-I2 characters and give them a city hall mission. No big deal.
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I mean seriously, what's the harm? It doesn't go towards an accolade, so it has no real effect on gameplay. It's just a little, shiney, and ultimately useless badge.
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Word.
Its funny but i always felt it should be possible that once you reached the highest level of play for your character that you should be allowed to go back to places like the tutorial zone or something very much like it.
Maybe even be allowed to go back and do things you have already done or never had a chance to do.....of course everything would be instanced and scaled up to maximum level...but it would definately add some fun things and some interim content while the rest of the game is being sorted out.
Well maybe if you werent all lazy idiots no offense but thats what I normally see, u could of got the badge. Unless you simply didn't know, though I found it on my first time through CoH on my own. Usally though whenever I ask for help in Outbreak to get the badge halfthe people say they dont feel like it. I dont feel these mobs should be added. It makes those of us who worked our butts off for ten or so minutes, doing it feel better. I love seeing Im a fairly small/decent mob, holding this badge.
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Well maybe if you werent all lazy idiots no offense but thats what I normally see, u could of got the badge. Unless you simply didn't know, though I found it on my first time through CoH on my own. Usally though whenever I ask for help in Outbreak to get the badge halfthe people say they dont feel like it. I dont feel these mobs should be added. It makes those of us who worked our butts off for ten or so minutes, doing it feel better. I love seeing Im a fairly small/decent mob, holding this badge.
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I like this! LMAO! Lets see, pre-I2, there were no badges. If you sat and killed 100 contaminated pre-I2, most would have thought you were an idiot since they don't award xp and there was no purpose in killing them except the required amount to complete missions.
Every character that I created post I2, does have the isolater badge. It's not about laziness or being an idiot, lol. There was no such thing as badges back then.
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Well maybe if you werent all lazy idiots no offense but thats what I normally see, u could of got the badge. Unless you simply didn't know, though I found it on my first time through CoH on my own. Usally though whenever I ask for help in Outbreak to get the badge halfthe people say they dont feel like it. I dont feel these mobs should be added. It makes those of us who worked our butts off for ten or so minutes, doing it feel better. I love seeing Im a fairly small/decent mob, holding this badge.
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Kids these days.
Honestly, I really do not see the issue with giving the people pre issue 2 a chance. Especially if they are still in game this long.
It is nothing like the Holiday or other Special event badges and well it does help people who pre date badges that were in fact eligible but as the poster above me said.....wouldn't have even concieved the idea of killing 100 of the buggers.
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Do you acyually play this game or do you just sit in the forums "Poo Pooing" everyone ideas from your Ivory tower? What upsets you SOooooo Much about our badge hunting and Isolator? It isnt Fair!!!!! You sream out, then try to cover it up with intelectuals. Its just a stupid useless badge that I would like to have in my little badge window, I am not asking for the ones come and gone. Every time you respond it seems that you dont want us to have this badge and now you hold IT aloft like a victory over us. Jeez man lighten up.
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Nor have you been able to justify why you should be able to earn this badge outside of Isolator, other then "I want it! I want it! It's unfair if its not given to me!". The simple fact is that you, me, and everyone else who had been around before Issue 2 had already long passed the requirements to get said badge. And the requirements to get it should not be switched around just because of some misplaced belief of entitlement of the so-called "Loyal Customers".
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The issue is: should characters who miss a badge due to level restrictions be allowed to go back and get the badge they missed?
I say yes. Whatever the original point of badges, they have come to represent an extra form of achievement within CoH/V. Going back to get badges represents extra time put into a character, which in turn represents extra revenue for Cryptic Studios and extra involvement in the world of CoH/V. For every other non-event badge within CoH/V, you can spend the time to obtain something that you may have otherwise missed due to lack of knowledge, lack of time or just plain bad luck.
While I see that LiquidX supports a more iron version of CoH/V (ie you miss it, tough bikkies) the nature of almost all other badges within CoH/V does not support this view. I still haven't gotten around to doing the Positron TF with my main, however I will go back at some point to do it for the badge, even at lvl 50. You can still kill x enemies that are below your level if you need to get certain badges - you missed the Kil Skuls badge because it wasn't available when you were doing Skull missions? No problem. Isolator is the special case where if you missed it (and a lot of avatars did because badges weren't even a twinkle in Statesman's eye at the time) there is no way of going back to get it.
Isolator is the special case. It really shouldn't be.
It's my opinion that getting it should be a non-issue. It shouldn't be a hard badge to get - create it as a Portal Corp mission with a special contact, send people to an instanced version of Outbreak at combat level 1 and let them kill 100 Contaminated. Problem solved.
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It's my opinion that getting it should be a non-issue. It shouldn't be a hard badge to get - create it as a Portal Corp mission with a special contact, send people to an instanced version of Outbreak at combat level 1 and let them kill 100 Contaminated. Problem solved.
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Agreed. It's a simple solution that would end the Isolator dilemma once and for all. If that's not challenging enough for Positron, ramp up the count to 333, 500, or even 1,000. Every Pre-Issue 2 hero (even some of you ANTI-ISOLATORS) would be lined up at that contact as soon as it went live. 
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ok, to all you players who made toons before this badge was availaible. I say this oh snap you missed out on a badge... TOUGH!!
I missed out on 8 badges that the Devs will NEVER, I repeat NEVER allow new toons to attain, just because were made after the event, so quit you whining 
I'll never get Celebrant because I wasnt around, & you'll never get Isolator because you weren't around. plain & simple!!!
So my new toon has ONE badge that your old toon doesnt, so what, your old toon has 8 badges that I'll NEVER be able to get!
is this 'fair' to me, no.
is the dev's giving old toons the ability to acquire the one badge I have that they cant, without me being able to also acquire the badges they have that I dont - no
why is it all the old badgers cant stand the idea of 1 little timy badge they'll never get, when I'm stuck with 8 that I'll never get?
Fair is fair & I think that if Isolator is opened up to older players, then I should be able to get Celebrant & the Winter Lord badge!
repeating my main point again!
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All I want to know is where or who said that heroes who missed the Halloween badges and or the Winter event badges will never get the chance to get them again?
I swear I never recall seeing or reading this from any post by a redname.
So that would leave it open for future events to happen again, I mean one of the Winter event badges already came back, I didn't see not one person complain about that. It seems everyone was happy.
So until I see a redname make a post telling us heroes we will never ever see these Special event badges again, then i suggest you stop whinning.
As for the annual event badges, these I can see you missing and never returning again, many of my toons, I forgot to log in, and thats my problem, I have never complained about missing them as it was my fault, if you were not a CoH hero when this event went live, then you too have no right to complain.
You were not even here for the event is not a reasonable excuse to say bring it back. Many of us heroes were here for the release of isolator and never had the fair chance to even get this badge.
So yes, we do deserve the right to earn it as everyone else did and does.
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Well Said!!
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If this isn't doable, forgive my noobishness, but would it be possible to have a friend make a new character, send that you a team invite (wherever you are) and then kill the required # of Contaminated? I don't think that the kills would count if you were in a zone other than outbreak...but has this been tested by anyone?
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IF we were to ever add a way to get Isolator post-Tutorial, it would most likely be incredibly hard to get. Annoyingly hard. Irritatingly hard. There-would-be-a-zillion-people-asking-to-make-it-easier hard.
But IF we were to add it, it would be available nonetheless.
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Harder than soloing a controller to 32 pre-containment?
Don't underestimate your playerbase, Posi.
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I hear the contanimated mutigen is a plot by the Rikti to make Organ Collection an easier process ... I can finally finisih the task that brought my hero to Paragon City - Darn Rikti UFO!!!
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* Arachnos Loricatus: Soldier, Widow
* Praetoria Loricatus: B-DP/Dev, Cor-Elec/Elec
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If this isn't doable, forgive my noobishness, but would it be possible to have a friend make a new character, send that you a team invite (wherever you are) and then kill the required # of Contaminated? I don't think that the kills would count if you were in a zone other than outbreak...but has this been tested by anyone?
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Like all "defeat #" badges, you have to be in the same zone. And yeah, it's been tested. 
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Nor have you been able to justify why you should be able to earn this badge outside of Isolator, other then "I want it! I want it! It's unfair if its not given to me!". The simple fact is that you, me, and everyone else who had been around before Issue 2 had already long passed the requirements to get said badge. And the requirements to get it should not be switched around just because of some misplaced belief of entitlement of the so-called "Loyal Customers".
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The issue is: should characters who miss a badge due to level restrictions be allowed to go back and get the badge they missed?
I say yes. Whatever the original point of badges, they have come to represent an extra form of achievement within CoH/V. Going back to get badges represents extra time put into a character, which in turn represents extra revenue for Cryptic Studios and extra involvement in the world of CoH/V. For every other non-event badge within CoH/V, you can spend the time to obtain something that you may have otherwise missed due to lack of knowledge, lack of time or just plain bad luck.
While I see that LiquidX supports a more iron version of CoH/V (ie you miss it, tough bikkies) the nature of almost all other badges within CoH/V does not support this view. I still haven't gotten around to doing the Positron TF with my main, however I will go back at some point to do it for the badge, even at lvl 50. You can still kill x enemies that are below your level if you need to get certain badges - you missed the Kil Skuls badge because it wasn't available when you were doing Skull missions? No problem. Isolator is the special case where if you missed it (and a lot of avatars did because badges weren't even a twinkle in Statesman's eye at the time) there is no way of going back to get it.
Isolator is the special case. It really shouldn't be.
It's my opinion that getting it should be a non-issue. It shouldn't be a hard badge to get - create it as a Portal Corp mission with a special contact, send people to an instanced version of Outbreak at combat level 1 and let them kill 100 Contaminated. Problem solved.
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And this is where we disagree. Once the requirements of the badge have been passed by, you should not be able to get it through alternate means. Same for event badges. Heck, you shouldn't even be able to Exemplar down and get mission badges, either.
Hell, eventually I want to see badges implemented that you cannot get if you have other badges.
Once again,I think the contaminated are in the back of Faultline behind that war wall.I think they are the villians for the supposed bugged trial back there.Think about it,they wanna cause destruction due to their confusion so it would make sense for them to wanna tear the dam down.
Another one of these threads??
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*Looks around for complaint about respec missions*
Let me boil this argument down to the basics:
Pro - I want it!
Anti - You had your chance. Too bad.
Pro - But it wasn't available when I went through!!
Anti - That really sucks.
Disclosure - I am fully on the side of the anti-crowd. If the badge is that important to you as it appears to be (to some of you), then re-roll and get it and go from the start.
[i]Edit - Fixed spelling and clarified disclosure.
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Cuppa's been trying, but she has yet to be able to convince the devs to throw us a bone.
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IF we were to ever add a way to get Isolator post-Tutorial, it would most likely be incredibly hard to get. Annoyingly hard. Irritatingly hard. There-would-be-a-zillion-people-asking-to-make-it-easier hard.
But IF we were to add it, it would be available nonetheless.
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Oh, lord.
Down with Isolator, Up with people!
Lets see how long this thread lasts until it goes over-the-top.