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And here is another point. If you had ANY information about getting the badge in outbreak, then i might be able to see this stance on the badge. But there is NONE!
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Here is the only non-forum reference I can find in "official" CoH material .
More info in either the hard-copy guide or the tutorial would be nice. (Officer Hicks: "You're making a difference, HERONAME! Maybe getting rid of a lot more of the Contaminated will stop the contagion.")
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And as I stated before, many heroes that come to these forums, that would like the chance to earn this badge has a legitimate reason to ask for the chance, because they never had the fair chance to earn this badge being a pre-i2 hero.
If you can not distinguish the difference between the two then, I feel sorry for you.
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It is true that there were heroes pre issue 2 that can not get the badge right now, that did not stop you from starting a hero right then and there and earning the badges. This would have been a wise decision if badge hunting was as important to you then as it is now. Also, by doing this, none of the special events would have been missed by that character either because they came out post I2 also. Yes, you would have had to start a new character, but being the type of player you seem to be, it doesn't seem to be a problem. Now though, you can't go back and do what I am suggesting because it would mean the loss of all of the special event badges that you probably own, putting you in the same position as everyone else.
Really, because of a failure to act [i.e. building character right when issue 2 released] you have put yourself in the position you are now.
I will say I wouldn't mind seeing isolater available. I have it on most of my characters. I just wanted to give a constructive view on your post.
I would just like to add my vote for not letting people go back and get the Isolator badge after they leave Outbreak. Especially all the people that were around before badges were released. You know why? Because I rerolled my main when badges were introduced, specifically so I could get Isolator, and all y'all could've done the same thing. I was already in my 30's when I deleted and rerolled, but I wanted all the badges, so I did it, and I have no sympathy for anyone that could've done it but chose not to.
The people who just didn't know the badge existed before they left Outbreak, well, them I sympathize with. But only a little. 
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IF we were to ever add a way to get Isolator post-Tutorial, it would most likely be incredibly hard to get. Annoyingly hard. Irritatingly hard. There-would-be-a-zillion-people-asking-to-make-it-easier hard.
But IF we were to add it, it would be available nonetheless.
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So...more annoying than a Shadow Shard TF? Bring it Pozi!! I call your bluff!!
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It is true that there were heroes pre issue 2 that can not get the badge right now, that did not stop you from starting a hero right then and there and earning the badges.
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I'm of the "it'd be nice to let a few of my toons go and get Isolator, but there're plenty other badges I've yet to get" camp. The devs already understand that pre-I2 heroes can't get Isolator. But a strong enough argument (based on more than an absent opportunity) is what it will probably take to tip the scales in favor of the idea.
How will we know when such an argument is advanced? When the devs roll out the retro-Isolator. Yeah, that's not much help, but that's the best advice I can offer.
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IF we were to ever add a way to get Isolator post-Tutorial, it would most likely be incredibly hard to get. Annoyingly hard. Irritatingly hard. There-would-be-a-zillion-people-asking-to-make-it-easier hard.
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My main CoH hero lacks the Isolator badge and I simply don't care, not enough of a rabid badge collector to get worked up over this. If Isolator is never made available to my main I won't lose any sleep over it. But... if the powers that be decide to make it obtainable for those characters rolled before badges were introduced in the game, what in the world is the rationale for making it "irritatingly hard" to acquire?
I suspect the reason is nothing else but spite, Positron's way at getting even for all those folks who requested this. Another big win for Customer Service there, Pos.
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And as I stated before, many heroes that come to these forums, that would like the chance to earn this badge has a legitimate reason to ask for the chance, because they never had the fair chance to earn this badge being a pre-i2 hero.
If you can not distinguish the difference between the two then, I feel sorry for you.
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It is true that there were heroes pre issue 2 that can not get the badge right now, that did not stop you from starting a hero right then and there and earning the badges. This would have been a wise decision if badge hunting was as important to you then as it is now. Also, by doing this, none of the special events would have been missed by that character either because they came out post I2 also. Yes, you would have had to start a new character, but being the type of player you seem to be, it doesn't seem to be a problem. Now though, you can't go back and do what I am suggesting because it would mean the loss of all of the special event badges that you probably own, putting you in the same position as everyone else.
Really, because of a failure to act [i.e. building character right when issue 2 released] you have put yourself in the position you are now.
I will say I wouldn't mind seeing isolater available. I have it on most of my characters. I just wanted to give a constructive view on your post.
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I appreciate your feedback. its thew best I have yet to receive from someone that wasn't in one way or another rude.
But this is from my point of view, if I would have known that isolator would never have been brought outside of Outbreak I may have considered the to reroll, but I never knew and nor did anyone else at the time.
If my hero was only level 30 I would have rerolled without pause, but my main hero was level 50, so for me to completely delete a lvl 50 hero is asking someone too much to do just to get a badge.
I had other heroes at that time who gotten the isolator, but to me they are not my mains, my main hero that I chose to collect these badges on was my tank, so I set forth collectiing them, by the time I found out that Isolator was not going to be brought outside of Outbreak the halloween Event had done pass, so at that point there was no turning back.
But regardless of my story, many others have been through the same thing as you can see on this huge topic and 98% of them are asking for the chance to earn this badge which they were denied when the badges were introduced.
So all us badge collectors can do is wait patiently and see what the outcome is, and hope that we will be given that chance which we never had.
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I suspect the reason is nothing else but spite, Positron's way at getting even for all those folks who requested this. Another big win for Customer Service there, Pos.
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Maybe the reason he made the comments is exactly what has happened. How many people in these forums can make one comment and have eleven pages of replies follow it? Sure has been fun reading all of the post though.
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But this is from my point of view, if I would have known that isolator would never have been brought outside of Outbreak I may have considered the to reroll, but I never knew and nor did anyone else at the time.
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Don't get me wrong, I see you reasoning. I would probably think the same way. I was playing when the first halloween event came about. I was only about level 20 so decided that I would skip the event in favor of doing missions. My reasoning was that this would probably be a yearly event and I would do it later. [Yes, I know some people are saying that it will be repeated] My point is, I took a chance, like you pointed out you did and may have missed on ever doing the event. Believe me, I would love to get every badge. At this point though, I just have to wait and see what happens also just as you posted.
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I would just like to add my vote for not letting people go back and get the Isolator badge after they leave Outbreak. Especially all the people that were around before badges were released. You know why? Because I rerolled my main when badges were introduced, specifically so I could get Isolator, and all y'all could've done the same thing. I was already in my 30's when I deleted and rerolled, but I wanted all the badges, so I did it, and I have no sympathy for anyone that could've done it but chose not to.
The people who just didn't know the badge existed before they left Outbreak, well, them I sympathize with. But only a little.
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You rerolled, that was your choice, that is not something that should be expected by all heroes pre-issue2 to do as you did. And to even ask such a thing of all of the heroes pre-issue2 to delete their heroes and reroll just to earn a badge is ridiculous.
Thats like Cryptic, saying sorry to all pre-i2 heroes and say if you want the badge on your existing heroes, you will have to delete all of your heroes and start all over again, but hey thanks for the time you spent working your way to 50 and a special thanks to the money you spent doing it.
Nowstart all over and pay us more money for the badge if you want it.
Yeah that sounds like a business choice to me alright...lol
Pathetic if you ask me.
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IF we were to ever add a way to get Isolator post-Tutorial, it would most likely be incredibly hard to get. Annoyingly hard. Irritatingly hard. There-would-be-a-zillion-people-asking-to-make-it-easier hard.
But IF we were to add it, it would be available nonetheless.
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So...more annoying than a Shadow Shard TF? Bring it Pozi!! I call your bluff!!
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For us Badge collectors we cannot reroll. We would lose al the othe event badges come and gone. Xmas, valentines and hallowen badges. All for isolator. Its just isolator. Can we please just get it? Are the developers still listening to a now 12 page long question?
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... Are the developers still listening to a now 12 page long question?
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hehe, 12 pages!
Check out 47 pages about Isolator over here:
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ok now its a 52+ page question. That only solidifys my point. If this wasnt something, we the customers really care about would it become such a thing? For the developers not to do something for us only proves to us your lack of care for our wants and desires. I7 also shows this. I7 is full of upgrades for CoV, which in my opinion CoV desperately needs, but CoH gets reflective windows.... Gee Thanx. Whats next, I8 where the villians get the city and the heroes get a big up yours? Developers how can you just sit idle (AFK) to this?
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I said - "I'll never get Celebrant because I wasnt around, & you'll never get Isolator because you weren't around. plain & simple!!!"
to refut - Beefcake said - "There is a flaw in your logic. You can't get the badge because you weren't playing the game. We can't get the badge because we got the game too early."
You state my point for me.
I missed the early event badges because it was IMPOSSIBLE.
You missed Isolator because it was IMPOSSIBLE.
nice & simple, we were both denied a badge (in your case only 1, in my case 8, kinda unfair huh!)
All I see is old & supposedly wise badgers whining over 1 badge the newbs have over them, I dont whine about the EIGHT you guys have over me! or what is 8 to 1 so bad you wanna make it 8 to 0?
You should at least be grateful you had the opportunity to get 8 badges I can most likely never get, & play the part of a wise old elder & let the little newbs have their 1 little badge...
Gready badgers 
& as far as the events being repeated I have seen red names post that Winter Lord would not return, he didnt return this holiday event!
This just solidifies my point.
Same thing with Celebrant - A red name said that they were gonna release a new & different anniversay badge & an addittoinal gladiator for those with both anniversary badges. So not only will I NEVER get Celebrant, but I will NEVER get the gladiator! (add 1 more to your count of 8)
So how will the 'repeat' the Celebrant badge? They wont!
I repeat I try not to Whine about NEVER getting badges that were before my time, but when you try to take away the one thing I can hold over older players that have all those badges, all I can think is 'oh no the newb has something cool, gank him so he cant hold it over us anymore!"
As far as I'm concerned we all want ALL the badges, but it wont happen! & you old players could at least be gratefull for what you have over all newbs, instead of trying to again 1 up the little guy.
Why cant everybody see that the give Isolator to everyone arguement is just as valid as give ALL badges to everyone arguements! All I see is I WANT I WANT, when you HAVE HAVE alot more that I'll EVER have. The devs were nice enough to give you all the early event badges (while I wasnt around) do dont be ungrateful. I for one am grateful for the piddly little 1 badge I can have above those 8! But when you guys are "rich", dont take the last peice of bread from the 'poor'!!!
I just wanna know from someone - why cant old badgers handle an 8 to 1 difference on unattainable badges?
Or how unfair it would be to give old players the opportunity to get Isolator without also giving me the opportunity to get Winter Lord or Celebrant?.... Someone tell me hoe this is fair!
Ok the I want I want can continue........ (regardless of who it may effect)
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Again I say to the Developers... Does this not show you that we want this? Are we not your customers? MMorgs Die when people stop playing. Let the lvl 50's go back to lvl 1 and do it all over! That would keep the bored on for more months and thats more monthly fees for you. We would get the one badge we want and really... all 50 lvls over again? Isn't that absurb enough? Also didn't those that missed those previous badges aquire one of them this winter? For defeating the Winter Minions. Yep Cold warrior came back and I've heard rumors about Halloween this year. So in the end the only badges you CANNOT collect again will be isolator and Celebrant. Celebrant is for the people who were here then, but why not give us isolator? Is this not harmless? All of you are right it is a useless badge, but how can you "collect Badges" when there is NO possible way of collecting them all? In that respect only then does it lose its purpose. At lvl 50 please give us the choice... to go back and do it all over again. To full back in love with our 50's!
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And what about those of us who *DON'T* want Isolator granted outside of the tutorial? We pay the same monthly fee as you do, after all.
And the only Winter event badge that was brought back this year was the Cold Warrior badge. So there are, what, four other Winter Lord badges you still cannot get again?
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And what about those of us who *DON'T* want Isolator granted outside of the tutorial? We pay the same monthly fee as you do, after all.
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Do you think it would be appropriate for a hero to get Isolator after the fact if: he did the go-bad TF, got thrown in the zig to Breakout as a level 1 villain, did 50 levels, did the go-good TF, and then was sent to Outbreak as a level 1 Hero?
Or do you just refuse to ever give a way for an existing Hero to ever get Isolator?
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Your entire post supports exactly what I already stated so thanks for understanding my thoughts.
As for the celebrant, I too already said this is a come and gone event badge, if you missed it then there is nothing more you can do to get this badge. I even missed it on some of my heroes, but you don't see me complaining as many of you are, why because the points you and everyone else makes is unreasonable.
As for rolling a new toon, if it were as simple to do this and earn every badge I already have I would do so, but I would be losing many badges for 1 badge that is pretty much given to every new hero that goes through outbreak.
And as I stated before, many heroes that come to these forums, that would like the chance to earn this badge has a legitimate reason to ask for the chance, because they never had the fair chance to earn this badge being a pre-i2 hero.
If you can not distinguish the difference between the two then, I feel sorry for you.
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I stated this in the previous Isolator thread, and I'll state this again... I don't agree with the argument that just because you were playing since beta (Or before Issue 2) somehow entitles you to the badge (Or the right to earn it even if you no longer meet the requirements to do so). It just doesent work.
And, before anyone new to this debate asks, my reasons follow this little analogy I stated in a previous thread:
Lets say theres a Marathon every year that can be entered only by people 12 to 18. So, each year you enter and win, the only reward being the satisfaction of winning. Well, your 19 now and no longer eligible to enter, but now they are also offering a shiny trophy to the winner. Just because now they have a reward doesen't give you the right to be retroactively rewarded a trophy for each win you've ever placed. Nor does it give you the right to demand they change the rules just so you can enter and win this trophy.
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And what about those of us who *DON'T* want Isolator granted outside of the tutorial? We pay the same monthly fee as you do, after all.
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Do you think it would be appropriate for a hero to get Isolator after the fact if: he did the go-bad TF, got thrown in the zig to Breakout as a level 1 villain, did 50 levels, did the go-good TF, and then was sent to Outbreak as a level 1 Hero?
Or do you just refuse to ever give a way for an existing Hero to ever get Isolator?
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Well, as I stated in Emeralds original thread, I'd be willing to compromise IF the "new" earnable Isolator badge had different text.
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And what about those of us who *DON'T* want Isolator granted outside of the tutorial? We pay the same monthly fee as you do, after all.
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Do you think it would be appropriate for a hero to get Isolator after the fact if: he did the go-bad TF, got thrown in the zig to Breakout as a level 1 villain, did 50 levels, did the go-good TF, and then was sent to Outbreak as a level 1 Hero?
Or do you just refuse to ever give a way for an existing Hero to ever get Isolator?
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Well, as I stated in Emeralds original thread, I'd be willing to compromise IF the "new" earnable Isolator badge had different text.
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OK, so the answer is no, you never want to give any way for an existing hero (nor any villain for that matter) the ability to get the existing Isolator, even if it would makes sense from the badge text (i.e. 'you started your career' would apply if he started over as a new hero after being a villain).
And to follow this to the logical conclusion... if you were to offer a second Isolator badge for this, would an existing hero who already has Isolator be denied the chance to get a second Isolator badge? 
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And to follow this to the logical conclusion... if you were to offer a second Isolator badge for this, would an existing hero who already has Isolator be denied the chance to get a second Isolator badge?
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Yup. You could either get the "original" Isolator, or the "new" one with different text. Not both.
ok im not trying to be mean, or flame, or anything like that...but
Badges such as Isolator and i seen the Holloween ones mention are suppose to mean something.. not just be another thing to collect. So in saying that if everyone had the oppurtunity to get every badge they missed, badges would mean nothing. You would not be able to brag about getting a certain badge cause everyone would have it. so I hope you just relize that hey.. just because i don't have Isolator doesn't mean im a gimped toon, or any less special then the lvl 2 alt that has Isolator and will more than likely be deleted around lvl 10.
Liquid, come up with as many anologies as you want, hey I know quote the McDonalds post...lol
It still does not justify why pre-issue 2 heroes could not be given the chance to earn it just as everyone else did when badge came out and to this day.
Isolator is not a yearly badge and does not change each year, its the same badge day in and day out. So that does not compare to your skipping jump rope contests.
As for the special event badges, like I said before earlier in this thread which Im sure you didn't read since all you like to do is argue over what someone else wants. But all your suggestions are perfectly fine...lol
...better yet, Im not repeating myself, not worth the time to argue with you because you are so anti everything people suggest.
Now I can see why your forum posts are so high, you spend more time spreading your anti-ism on the forums rather then playing the game.
Have fun tearing this thread apart too.
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Well, as I stated in Emeralds original thread, I'd be willing to compromise IF the "new" earnable Isolator badge had different text.
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BTW? Who the hell made you God Almighty to say you will compromise? Like its your choice if the badge is brought to us by the devs, they will do it, not because you said you will compromise.
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Your entire post supports exactly what I already stated so thanks for understanding my thoughts.
As for the celebrant, I too already said this is a come and gone event badge, if you missed it then there is nothing more you can do to get this badge. I even missed it on some of my heroes, but you don't see me complaining as many of you are, why because the points you and everyone else makes is unreasonable.
As for rolling a new toon, if it were as simple to do this and earn every badge I already have I would do so, but I would be losing many badges for 1 badge that is pretty much given to every new hero that goes through outbreak.
And as I stated before, many heroes that come to these forums, that would like the chance to earn this badge has a legitimate reason to ask for the chance, because they never had the fair chance to earn this badge being a pre-i2 hero.
If you can not distinguish the difference between the two then, I feel sorry for you.
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