A Plea - COV and COH Costume Pieces
By
Aaron123,
Posted on: 2005-10-20 13:24 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Noted. We'll see what we can do...
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Takes out acme translator.... *bwreep* translating...translation complete: "Don't hold your breath, loser account holders."
-A
Consider this signed. I'd love to be able to my little demoness right. I made her as a hero way back, but didn't have the right feet. Now she can have them, but has to be evil. She's not, just hedonistic, and after CoT
I've been asking for Top Hats and for fishnets for almost a year now. I would be one happy camper if we had them.
I hope they don't add all of it. Maybe neutral items like the military stuff and the biker jacket, but 50 percent of the CoV stuff is very evil specific and I don't want that definite difference between Heroes and Villains to be sacrificed. Your company standing around Mercy Island looks a LOT different than your company at AP. If anything, make CoH pieces that are as good-guy-ish as the CoV new stuff is evil.
This is definitely crap, why people want to look "evil" and yet be heroes is beyond me, I say keep the costumes different because like the above poster said when you go to AP or GC the crowd there is much different from the crowd in Mercy Island and I love that, I love the look and feel of both games because they are really different.
I consider this a big big mistake if they end up putting everything together for everyone to use...hell I thought it was bad to even have 1/3 the stuff shared between them because I knew somewhere down the line somebody who only wanted to play COH would say "well those guys got a 1/3 of the hero stuff they should start sharing some of their costume options"
Bad play States, bad play indeed please keep them seperate
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This is definitely crap, why people want to look "evil" and yet be heroes is beyond me, I say keep the costumes different because like the above poster said when you go to AP or GC the crowd there is much different from the crowd in Mercy Island and I love that, I love the look and feel of both games because they are really different.
I consider this a big big mistake if they end up putting everything together for everyone to use...hell I thought it was bad to even have 1/3 the stuff shared between them because I knew somewhere down the line somebody who only wanted to play COH would say "well those guys got a 1/3 of the hero stuff they should start sharing some of their costume options"
Bad play States, bad play indeed please keep them seperate
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Oh and BTW:
From now on all Tanks must be the large body type.
All females can only be scrappers, not tanks, and can only be magic or mutant origin.
Average looking males can only be mutant blasters or natural scrappers.
Did that sound stupid? Now you why I think telling people they can't wear a jacket cause its not "heroic" enough is equally stupid.
well, I PMed CuppaJo about bringing over some costume items (specifically the fishnets) just two days ago and she said that she didnt see it coming. Thought Id share that for what its worth.
And so begins the "Make them reroll their characters as villains so they can change their face to the CoV one that looks almost identical but the expression is slightly different so they can go through a redemtion TF later on to be a hero again" campaign.
Somehow I don't think my character will suddenly turn evil if she's slightly frowning instead of looking like she's posing for a swimsuit magazine or something.
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PLEASE add some or all of the great new options that Villains are receiving to Heroes' costume creator, at least for those players who own both CoV and CoH.
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Noted. We'll see what we can do...
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Are you just being coy here, Jack? "We'll see what we can do..." nudge nudge, wink wink, cause of course all those options are coming over to City of Heroes, right? After all, people have been asking for some of these specific options (biker jackets, top hats, fishnets, etc.) for their heroes since CoH Beta.
You wouldn't make those things and then give them only to the bad guys? You wouldn't do that to us. Would you? Would you?
I don't want to play a villain. I'm not in a big hero SG that's going to have a base. I don't care about PvP. I'm only buying CoV for all the new costumes, because they look fantastic, and I've been waiting over a year for some of those pieces.
You guys have given us a ton of new content over the year+ since launch, so I don't mind dropping $50 for just the new costumes and faces.
But if that stuff isn't going to be accessible to me when playing CoH, I really don't have any reason to buy CoV :-(
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This is definitely crap, why people want to look "evil" and yet be heroes is beyond me, I say keep the costumes different because like the above poster said when you go to AP or GC the crowd there is much different from the crowd in Mercy Island and I love that, I love the look and feel of both games because they are really different.
I consider this a big big mistake if they end up putting everything together for everyone to use...hell I thought it was bad to even have 1/3 the stuff shared between them because I knew somewhere down the line somebody who only wanted to play COH would say "well those guys got a 1/3 of the hero stuff they should start sharing some of their costume options"
Bad play States, bad play indeed please keep them seperate
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Ahh...because obviously there are no Heroes that don't look goody-two-shoes right?
We don't have Ghost Rider, the Punisher, Blade, Various evilish looking X-Men, etc etc. Of course not. From now on all those heroes must wear baby blue and red ONLY! No more black trenchcoats and makeup, no more skulls or spikes!
Bah...you guys know not what makes a hero or a villain. As someone wise once said "The clothes do not make the man", or as another wise one once said "Never judge a book by its cover".
Personally, the first thing I did when I got on CoV Beta is notice the awesome additions to the creator that let me make the kinda of heroes I always dreamed of. In fact, if I ever buy CoV(which looks very unlikely at the moment as I do not want to be a villain) I will be making Heroes instead of Villains. Why? Because I cannot make the heroes I want in CoH. Fact is that the CoV generator is WAY better than CoH's. If CoH doesn't get the same sort of options, the entire DRAW of CoH is out the window.
The Character Creation system was always a very large portion of the marketing that the game had. To see CoV surpassing it completely is stupid. The way I see it right now, it looks like Cryptic/NCSoft is working very hard towards making CoV look amazing in Comparison to CoH. They are heavily nerfing everything in CoH RIGHT before release and CoV has cooler ATs and Costume options. The smarter move here would to make you need both to get all the best features of both. If they do that it will make buying both the best option.
A lot of the costume pieces certainly lend themselves to 'evil' characters, but I can't think of one that couldn't be used for heroic purposes. There are lots of 'dark' heroes. Dark Heroes are fun to play, and fun to roleplay.
MOST of the costume pieces, however, are really very neutral, and should be brought over no matter what the circumstances.
I agree, I think *all* costume pieces should be available to both sides. There are plenty of anti-heroes and there are plenty of villains that have a deceiving look.
I also agree that heroes and villains should be able to do a mission of some sort to switch sides.
I dont agree about the teaming bit UNLESS its against a greater common threat that is the main aspect of an issue somewhere further down the line (Galacticus? Doomsday? Onslaught?)
And I'm not sure about powersets, so far I think its fun having different powers for hero/villain, but at the same time powers dont make the hero/villain, so maybe they should be available across the board...
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I once again vote against it. Costume diversity for the win.
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/agree, but I guess I'm just weird. :P
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Same. I like the fact that you can easily tell the difference between a villain and a hero...
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So, what you're saying is that all heroes should LOOK like Heroes, and all villains should LOOK like Villains?
So many cliches, so little time... We'll go with "Don't judge a book by it's cover."
I say, open it up and let the players choose. Heroes and Villains are defined by what they do, not what they wear. Some Villains look like completely respectable folk - until they start wielding that axe anyways. Some Heroes look like Death personified - until they save you from vivisection at the hands of Vahzilok. You'll discover soon enough which is which, hopefully before you get robbed, kidnapped, killed, or whatever it is the bad guys do.
Hehe, I remember an old Thundercats cartoon where two alien species were fighting each other. One was a very nice kind looking race that talked about just wanting peace etc. The other race was very ugly, mutated looking creatures with throaty voices.
The Thundercats began helping the kind old race and eventually later learned that THEY were the evil agressors. The ugly, evil looking race was actually the ones hoping for peace that didn't want to fight.
As we have said: "Never judge a book by its cover". I mean...if the Thundercats can learn a lesson like that...can't we learn that too?!
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So, what you're saying is that all heroes should LOOK like Heroes, and all villains should LOOK like Villains?
So many cliches, so little time... We'll go with "Don't judge a book by it's cover."
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Nope, I'm saying, "Heroes and villains should look different."
All I want are the costume options (the original suit jacket and non asshugging skirts) back. Beyond that it doesnt matter to me.
COH players have been asking for fishnets and motorcycle jackets and pirate options since COH beta. That a year and a half later these options would be added for villains only is like a slap in the face.
The fact is, the new costume items have been made, they are going to be on my hard drive (they have to be if I'm going to be interacting with villains in the PVP zone), and the only reason not to allow heroes to use them is an arbitrary decision by the devs. This isn't like asking for trenchcoats or some other item that requires new modelling and artwork. All we're asking for is to use the stuff that already exists!
That goes for the old skirts and jackets too. We want them back. Characters who had them before still have them. That means they're still in the game (and on our hard drives). Just let us buy them again.
This notion that heroes and villains should look different is ridiculous. This is still supposed to be a comic book game, right? In superhero comics, there is no across the board visual distinction between heroes and villains. Does Magneto look any more or less of a villain than Cyclops? Does Batman look any more or less of a hero than the Joker?
The real point here is player choice. Wherever possible, decisions should be in OUR hands, not the devs. Especially on an issue that doesn't affect play balance or play style in the slightest. Let US decide what looks heroic and what looks villainous.
As for the issue of creating incentive to buy COV. Well, I understand that idea, but here's the problem: If I buy COV, you STILL won't let me use the new options for my hero characters! So where's the incentive anyway?
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Uhm... who said they won't allow what costume options? The last official thing I read was that the two games would share 1/3 of the options and have the rest as unique to each side. I don't recall anyone saying which options will be for which game. Also, W_1 has said that some of the costume pieces on the beta server are being removed before launch.
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Uhm... who said they won't allow what costume options? The last official thing I read was that the two games would share 1/3 of the options and have the rest as unique to each side. I don't recall anyone saying which options will be for which game. Also, W_1 has said that some of the costume pieces on the beta server are being removed before launch.
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Currently on CoH test (Issue 6), none of the new costume pieces from CoV are available. Several existing pieces also seem to have gone missing (sneakers, for example).
Sneakers are missing in CoV. Don't know if they're coming back though. The thigh boots are bugged, you can get them with the skirts but not tights. There's more changes coming to the character creator of both games. Unfortunately, I haven't noticed a detailed list of what's leaving and/or being added to either game. If I missed it, could someone post a link? Thanks. I'd prefer knowing what to get upset about prior to posting my anger.
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PLEASE add some or all of the great new options that Villains are receiving to Heroes' costume creator, at least for those players who own both CoV and CoH.
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Noted. We'll see what we can do...
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While you're at it, please also note that while villains are now able to combine electron + circuitry for the HEAD (without selecting helmet/hat/halfhelmet), heroes can not. Please fix this, we've been waiting over 1.5 years now. Also note that the hero models don't wrap the skin above the hairline properly (villain model does, so we have identical basic model but one behaves differently?). We're almost there, so let's go ahead and get this done sooner rather than later! 
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OK - here's the most likely outcome...
If you own both games, you get all options - the new CoV sets will be accessible for your heroes.
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OK - here's the most likely outcome...
If you own both games, you get all options - the new CoV sets will be accessible for your heroes.
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WOO!
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OK - here's the most likely outcome...
If you own both games, you get all options - the new CoV sets will be accessible for your heroes.
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THAT WOULD BE VERY COOL.
Um... sorry for shouting like that.
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And perhaps it would be best if many or most of the Villain-exclusive options stayed in COV so Villain players in COV don't cry foul over all of their new and "exlusive" stuff being ported over to the other side?
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Personally, I think that the best solution might be to make all the new costume options available exclusively to the people who own both games. That would give people with only a passing interest in playing a villain or building bases added incentive to pick up CoV.
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* Old style skirts back. New ones are too clingy, don't display textures and clip badly.
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I'd second this, just so long as the new ones are left in as well - I rather like the cut of them, and don't feel they're too clingy at all.