A Plea - COV and COH Costume Pieces
By
Aaron123,
Posted on: 2005-10-20 13:24 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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Does this mean that if some hero costume pieces are not available in CoV we should report it as a bug? I tried to recreate a hero costume in CoV, and found some costume options missing, but I'll check again before I report it.
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The problem is identifying where that distinction lies. Because how heroic/villainous is, say, a scarf? Or a split cape? Or a skull design?
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Which is why I've repeatedly said it's not about "good" and "evil" costume pieces, but "different."
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The reason, and I'll bet money on it, that they are doing it is that you need to buy CoV to get access to the pieces. And this will get people who normally wouldn't buy CoV to buy it just to add costume options in CoH.
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*raises hand*
I'm happy to pay for it, too. I have not had to pay for any new content since the game launched, so I don't feel at all ripped off.
And I want fishnets, darnit!
(and biker jacket, and lab coat, and top hat, and new capes, and military uniforms, and new faces, and lots of other totally heroic costume options)
-BB
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fat=evil
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What about Big Bertha from the Great Lakes Avengers? She was a hero, and could grow incredibly Fat.
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And WoW shares the same server/client/etc/ and yet the Horde and Alliance look different. Go figure.
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They have species variations. It's kind of difficult to mistake a Tauren for a Gnome.
The WoW character creator doesn't provide for a lot of options, since that's not its strength. The CoH character creator is rather more significant.
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As Kellis said. Also, who the heck said the Horde are the bad guys. The entire lore supports it as a conflict of two sets of cultures and races nothing different than say the modern world.
Also keep in mind that in WoW you can as a Warlock find some seriously creepy clothes but the same clothing can be worn by a Mage in most cases as well. Heck the Warlock epic gear is greatly sought for by Mages.
The clothes do not make the humanoid the actions and persona do.
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Anyone that considers Spawn and Punisher to be "good guys" and "heroes" has no reason to be commenting on comic books at all. Unless you definition of good guy is killin people?
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No...obviously if you kill anyone you cannot be a hero. Screw the police and the military. They must be all pure evil since they kill people when they have to! You have opened my eyes! No longer will I think or Police or Military are heroes that keep us safe!
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There's a bit of a difference between killing people because one has to, and killing people because one chooses to.
I'm only marginally familiar with the Punisher and Spawn (in that I know they exist and they sometimes kill people), so I'm not sure where they fall in those categories.
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Punisher and Spawn take the law into their own hands, they dish out justice as they see fit. They try their best to do what is right in their minds. They are vigilantes. The word for their type of protagonist is Anti-Hero.
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Anyone that considers Spawn and Punisher to be "good guys" and "heroes" has no reason to be commenting on comic books at all. Unless you definition of good guy is killin people?
And for the record, I'm not against more costume pieces in CoH, quite the opposite in fact. I'm against the truly villainous stuff being put in CoH. There should be costume options exclusive to both sides.
And WoW shares the same server/client/etc/ and yet the Horde and Alliance look different. Go figure.
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I would have to disagree in general as books can't be judged by their covers an costumes are merely a superficial choice.
I will agree some too. I think things like the Arachnos cape and the Freedom Phalanx emblem and so on should be exclusive items that a character can unlock at the higher levels and when they choose a particular path in the storyline.
In fear of being lambasted by others I gottta say Im happy States is letting costume options transfer over to CoH. For one I think it will alter the make-up of SGs and give way to even more creativity. We all no of unorthodx heroes that come to mind in comic lore and opening that option makes me smile at possibilities. Think about it, good zombie sg's, benevolent mad scientist, Super-werewolves that get along with people, etc etc.
Also it's expanding the possibilities availible to ALL players of the game rather than leaving those who aren't directly involved in CoV (yeah there actually are a few and I'd imagine some will remain post-CoV release) out in the cold. This seems mighty gracious of the devs because if one looks at it obectionably they arent mandated to give us ANY new options. I see this as a stepping stone for them to begin mending the rift that kinda developped in the last several weeks, and anything that promotes harmony between the makers of the game and the playerbase as a whole, well I see as a good thing.
Last and least, the old addage of "its not whats on the outside, but inside that counts" Unless you actually choose the exposed brain option. Then I guess the difference between whats inside and outside gets kinda blurry.
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Unless you actually choose the exposed brain option. Then I guess the difference between whats inside and outside gets kinda blurry.
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When i saw those costume options i had the incredible urge to roll up one of the aliens from "mars attacks"... battle cry "We are your friends! Don't run!"
And then have to RP an incredibly acute sensitivity to all sonic abilities....
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
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fat=evil
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What about Big Bertha from the Great Lakes Avengers? She was a hero, and could grow incredibly Fat.
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I knew someone was going to say her. But if you recall, she converts back to not just a normal girl but a super model. So she still keeps with the heroes are hotties theory.
And Punisher and Spawn are not heroes of any sort. They don't care about doing what is right, they do what they want. Frank kills who he wants how he wants. He justifies this by preying on criminals. But there have been many issues that have dived into the fact that the Punisher is a psychopath. His writer Garth Ennis even says so.
Spawn doesn't even bother to go out and hunt down evil doers to kill. He just kills whomever gets in his way. He's not even really that pro-active about it.
They are both killers that just happen to kill bad guys is all.
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And Punisher and Spawn are not heroes of any sort. They don't care about doing what is right, they do what they want. Frank kills who he wants how he wants. He justifies this by preying on criminals. But there have been many issues that have dived into the fact that the Punisher is a psychopath. His writer Garth Ennis even says so.
Spawn doesn't even bother to go out and hunt down evil doers to kill. He just kills whomever gets in his way. He's not even really that pro-active about it.
They are both killers that just happen to kill bad guys is all.
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I agree with you there. The Punisher has never been a Hero... He's not interested in Justice. This is why I don't like calling Batman a vigilante, because while Batman does act outside police Jurisdiction, his goal is to bring criminals in to be tried in a court of law. Which is far different then what a "true" vigilante like the Punisher does.
The closest 'job' I've found for most heroes is 'skip tracer' or bounty hunter.
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
No pressure here States ole boy, but I just shelled out for two pre-orders for CoV for one thing and one thing only:
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OK - here's the most likely outcome...
If you own both games, you get all options - the new CoV sets will be accessible for your heroes.
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That's it. I'm more than happy to pay $40 for a free month and access to more costume options for my hero.
So.... the sooner the better.
Mr. O
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
To be honest, this idea came specifically from this thread. Since people wanted the new costume options, I checked with Software - who said it could be done. Just wanted to let you know that yes, we do take suggestions!
FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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my day is made, i was worried i was going to have to muck around turning my character evil, running to the villian icon, and then turning hero again:P good chap.
oh and stapler, i do have to disagree with your assesment of spawn as a hero, keep in mind i dont care for spawn based on personally held religious beliefs that spawn bugs me on, but spawn is not just a psychotic killer, he is played as a hero to those whom society has forgotten, the bums, the crack moms, basicly the weak that superman tries to protect but sometimes is too busy protecting the status quo to actually help, spawn is not a comic that i personally like, but i will give it a nod for delving far deeper into the issue of what makes good and evil than many cookie cutter comics.
i seriosly dislike your catagoization of good being pretty and evil being ugly, nightcrawler approximates my worldview of good far more than cyclops, and i think we can come to a quick concensus of which character is attracive vurses which one is ugly. in game the monsterous legs work for my main character, he is a half dragon, certainly not the first to appear either in american or japanese comics, and he is, if you read his bio, quite unconflictedly heroic. having a costume piece that allows him to look like he is supposed to is hardly a betrayel of any cohesive design.
coh's main draw against more limiting games has always been the ability of the massive character generation tool to refine your character concept as closely as you can to the one you have in your head. this only strengthens that ability.
i do agree that there should be a few, VERY FEW costume pieces that denote completion of certian task forces or missions that should remain hero or villian specific (though if they do the eventual betrayal/redemption mission, the waters get muddier still
) but even then im not sure i can name any one piece of clothing that tells me that someone is good or bad, a murderer can wear a priests collar and a saint can wear a convicts shirt, tis who is in the outfit that counts.
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To be honest
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Anyone who has to re-use that phrase over and over knows he's thought of as a liar.
-A
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OK - here's the most likely outcome...
If you own both games, you get all options - the new CoV sets will be accessible for your heroes.
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I've upgraded using the CoV preorder, but heroes DON'T get the new costume options! What happened?!
The plastic tips at the end of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.
--The Question, JLU
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OK - here's the most likely outcome...
If you own both games, you get all options - the new CoV sets will be accessible for your heroes.
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I've upgraded using the CoV preorder, but heroes DON'T get the new costume options! What happened?!
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Calm down, take a deep breath, and let it out slowly.
It says the "most likely outcome", and it has been said before that there will "most likely" be a patch that will give the CoV costume options to CoH accounts if they own both. That being said, I can understand why it isn't happening RIGHT NOW.
It's possible (in my mind) that they didn't expect such a HUGE flux of people to want those options in CoH. I have no idea how they could have missed it, but with everything happening at once, it's possible. So give them some time, look for the official word, THEN wait some more until it happens.
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OK - here's the most likely outcome...
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If you own both games, you get all options - the new CoV sets will be accessible for your heroes.
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I've upgraded using the CoV preorder, but heroes DON'T get the new costume options! What happened?!
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If you read further you'll find out that it was approved to do this last week after this thread was created. It takes time to code it so it will have to wait for a patch or two. But the change is approved and coming. Baring some glaring problem with coding it.
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YES! Finally I'll be able to get my lab-coat for my scientist superhero, a lab-coat I've been wanting for almost a year I might add, and was very unhappy to see was only available to villains. Whats so evil about a lab-coat? Scientists can be heroes to you know.
YAY!!!!!!!
On 10/25/05 Statesman wrote:
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
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It's been 2 weeks, any idea as to when we might see this?
Weaver_One is one of the Devs working on the costume creator right now to fix missing costume pieces. My assumption (and hopefully I won't make an [censored] out of me) is that we'll see an update to the costume creator to push COV options live to COH when these other bugs are addressed.
This thread is a good refrence to the bugs he's working on.
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To be honest
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Anyone who has to re-use that phrase over and over knows he's thought of as a liar.
-A
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Or he knows there will always be those who think of him that way regardless of whether such a repiutation is deserved or not...
...or it's just a freaking cigar and some folks need to chill the crap out.
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It's been 2 weeks, any idea as to when we might see this?
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I'm hoping they take enough time to get all the components working perfectly. Until then I'll content myself with using the new options on just the villains.
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This is a game of superheroes. If it was merely a game of heroes doctors, firefighters, and my grandpa would be in it. I didn't buy this game to be a boat commander in World War II, no matter how heroic that is. I bought it to throw on a costume and fly through the air and fight bad guys just like in the comic books that inspired the game.
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In the comic books you can't tell the difference between heroes and villains from their appearances.
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Jason Voorhies or He-man could be a tanker and Freddy a scrapper. Ash could be a blaster. Yet are those people we wanna see in this game? And while some might actually say yes, I vote an astounding no.
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Fortunately this isn't a democracy and the all-mighty dollah has decided that I can get the costume options I pay for.
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And to ask what will it bother if someone is wearing a stupid costume. What will it bother if someone wants to called their hero Streetwalker69 or SatanicSchoolSux? Does it physically impede our gameplay? No. But is it something we want to see in the game? No. Will most people send a petition? Yes. Same thing goes for costumes as it does for names. You are welcomed to make whatever look you want, and the rest of us are still free to ridicule and put our votes in against things like giant skull monsters for heroes.
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Are you suddenly speaking for all of us? I didn't give you the right to speak for me. I'm pretty sure "most of us" won't bother to send a petition. If I see a name I don't like or a costume I don't care for, I move on and forget about them.
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And it's mainstream majority of comic readers that want the ideal look for their heroes. Otherwise Superman would be fat, Wonder Woman a guy in drag, and Spider-man would have a nubbin.
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I believe it was the creators of the heroes, and the artists, who decided what the characters should look like. They sure didn't put the decision up to a majority vote.
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And Deathlok(at least the Luthor Manning version) wasn't interesting because he was ugly. He was interesting because he was a pacifist trapped in the ultimate weapon. The dichotomy there made him interesting. If being fugly was all it took, Beak would have his own comic.
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Wolverine has his own comic and he's not exactly handsome. Short, hairy, bowlegged, smokes too much... and what a temper! Well, I guess he can't be a hero, after all.
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