A Plea - COV and COH Costume Pieces
By
Aaron123,
Posted on: 2005-10-20 13:24 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Sweet!! My hero will finally have the cape I always envisioned!!
Thanks States!
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Talsor Tech - Talsorian Guard
Keep Calm & Chive On!
Does that include the pre-release helmets and the cape from the CoH dvd set?
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I am not in denial, and I did not misrepresent your argument. I merely think your argument is inane since it basically is summed by saying: I want everything because it's coded and anyone who says otherwise is repressing me and trying to control me.
And the making of broad generalized statements that demonize everyone who didn't think it was a good idea to have fully shared costume selections was quite silly.
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You are in denial, and you did misrepresent my arguments, and you continue to misrepresent your own. Because you think it's a good idea that Heroes and Villains be visually distinct, you are disappointed that the devs are no longer going to enforce a distinction. That's what you've said in every post you've made.
I think I also need to point out that YOU are the one who has introduced all the hyperbolic vocabulary (repressed, demonized, control, etc..) into this discussion. It was probably a mistake on my part to allow this digression by using the same type of language in my responses. I should have called you on that immediately.
As for "broad generalized statements", I made no such thing. I made a specific statement, however broad, that anyone who thinks CoH and CoV should have different costume options is in fact, supporting an artificial limit on player creativity (as opposed to the very real limit imposed by developer resources). If you consider this "demonizing", then feel free to fit yourself out with some ram horns and a tail. Fortunately, you can already do this in either game...
BTW, to be clear... Yes, if it's already coded, we should have it. That's part of my argument. Keeping in mind that we're talking about costume items, which have no effect on gameplay or balance. To suggest the developers should create content and then not make it available to players is... well... inane and silly.
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remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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You can't make me remember!
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
To be honest, this idea came specifically from this thread. Since people wanted the new costume options, I checked with Software - who said it could be done. Just wanted to let you know that yes, we do take suggestions!
FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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Except you still havent brougth back the pointy ears you took away! 
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remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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You can't make me remember!
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But I can.
*Stares at you*
The power of the Handlebar Mustache compels you!
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Just last night I saw a villain that looked like...well, Statesman. Big star on his chest, red, white, and blue costume.
Does it bother me? Yeah, a little.
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Fear not; I'm pretty sure that wasn't a "hero in disguise", but someone making a point about unthinking ultra-patriotism being a form of villainy.
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Now, if what Statesman says about making them be available to people who own both games, that's fine with me. I just don't want people who didn't buy one or the other to be able to benefit from the one they didn't buy. I think that's fair.
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Oh, well I'll agree with that. I'll be happy if I can get the CoV costume options in CoH only if I buy CoV.
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Well, I won't agree. In case no one noticed, there is more to CoV than just costume options. AT's, zones, foes, just to name a few.
There are quite a few costume pieces from CoV that I could use for my Heroes without turning them "evil" looking. Eye coverings ( not the plates or BW ones ), armor, supernatural faces...
Besides, who is getting ripped of worse:
A CoH owner paying full price to upgrade a few costume options?
or A CoV owner who doesn't feel "special" because a "few", non-gameplay affecting, items are common to both games?
Mr. Statesman? You gave us ED and ED now give us EDDIE ( Enhanced Duds Diversification-Include Everything! ) 
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
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Wow man, that's awesome. Thanks a bunch.
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As I said before Cool, absolutely cool.
Yes not every villain outfit is appropriate but a large number of the new costume options are very appropriate to heroes. Even a numbr of the monster options fit well.
But it's MY sadistic mechanical monster and I'm here to make sure it knows it. - Girl Genius
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Just last night I saw a villain that looked like...well, Statesman. Big star on his chest, red, white, and blue costume.
Does it bother me? Yeah, a little.
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He's a Statesbot, made by Lord Recluse to go do evil and ruin Statesman's good name ;-)
BB
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FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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To be fair, you guys were the ones originally saying that villains and heroes should look different and making it sound like a feature in CoV. If you guys were going to renege on that so easily or weren't committed to it, you shouldn't have promoted it as a feature. I don't think I'd have such a problem with it if it wasn't something you guys brought up that sounded like a good idea, and wasn't something you've been talking about for months.
Sort of funny that this is the thing that bothers me the most considering all the recent changes to the game...
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
To be honest, this idea came specifically from this thread. Since people wanted the new costume options, I checked with Software - who said it could be done. Just wanted to let you know that yes, we do take suggestions!
FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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Your FYI was the dumbest excuse possible to justify this change. It was your mistake to put all the hero costume options in CoV. And now you are going to use that mistake to justify the mistake of putting all the villain options in CoH? That's just ludicrous.
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...Though I've gotta agree with some people, exposed brains and sewn shut facial features don't really mesh with the heroic side.
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While I am in agreement that many of the costume options would 'port over well and be a refreshing option for CoH, certain items like those above and the truly villanous/monstrous faces should stay with CoV. From what I've seen in beta, clearly some options seem "villian-only." 
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Fooie on this!
I want the reptilian, feline, monstrous, etc. options for heroes too.
Then again, I also want cat ears for male toons, patterns applicable to tails, and huge females as options too.
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...Though I've gotta agree with some people, exposed brains and sewn shut facial features don't really mesh with the heroic side.
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While I am in agreement that many of the costume options would 'port over well and be a refreshing option for CoH, certain items like those above and the truly villanous/monstrous faces should stay with CoV. From what I've seen in beta, clearly some options seem "villian-only."
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Fooie on this!
I want the reptilian, feline, monstrous, etc. options for heroes too.
Then again, I also want cat ears for male toons, patterns applicable to tails, and huge females as options too.
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Frankenstein's monster was also not very monsterous.
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
To be honest, this idea came specifically from this thread. Since people wanted the new costume options, I checked with Software - who said it could be done. Just wanted to let you know that yes, we do take suggestions!
FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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Your FYI was the dumbest excuse possible to justify this change. It was your mistake to put all the hero costume options in CoV. And now you are going to use that mistake to justify the mistake of putting all the villain options in CoH? That's just ludicrous.
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The option being added isn't hurting anyone. If the new costume features don't appeal to you for your heroes, simply don't use them. Your choices are not being limited and your ability to craft the toon that you want is not hindered. So...what's the problem exactly?
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
To be honest, this idea came specifically from this thread. Since people wanted the new costume options, I checked with Software - who said it could be done. Just wanted to let you know that yes, we do take suggestions!
FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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Your FYI was the dumbest excuse possible to justify this change. It was your mistake to put all the hero costume options in CoV. And now you are going to use that mistake to justify the mistake of putting all the villain options in CoH? That's just ludicrous.
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The option being added isn't hurting anyone. If the new costume features don't appeal to you for your heroes, simply don't use them. Your choices are not being limited and your ability to craft the toon that you want is not hindered. So...what's the problem exactly?
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I HATE that line of thought. So we should be ok if they decided to add tutus, strawberry shortcake hats, troll heads, and light sabers just because we don't have to use them? There is an integrity that goes to the game. Most of us picked up City of Heroes to play in exactly that, a City of Heroes. And vice versa with CoV.
If I wanted to play a mmorpg just for the sake of playing a mmorpg, I would play something else. I play CoH, and soon to be CoV, for a reason. For the genres and factions they each embrace. As we combine the two, we lose what makes each unique. Sure I can choose to make the only heroic looking hero in CoH while everyone else wants to look like retarded ninja zombies. But I've got to interact with those people. And if I wanted to just solo, I wouldn't be playing a mmorpg. I play this for the heroes to team up with other heroes. I don't want to team with villains(in CoH), elves, jedis, or care bears. If you can't understand the need and desire for a separation of genres and factions in the game, then you're just dense.
And my post wasn't even attacking the option of CoV pieces in CoH as much as it was attacking Statesman's flawed logic. The people that don't want the truly villianous pieces in CoH don't want the heroic pieces in CoV either. The big cheesy grin should not be a villain face. Nor cute widdle pandas on the shoulder. His logic for the addition of the pieces to CoH was utterly stupid.
The reason, and I'll bet money on it, that they are doing it is that you need to buy CoV to get access to the pieces. And this will get people who normally wouldn't buy CoV to buy it just to add costume options in CoH. It's about increasing sales. Which I get and I understand. I'd rather read that as a reason that the statement "Uh we did it cuz we did it in CoV too, hur".
Don't you have anyone to argue with at home?
This is not a post to any individual, just the thread in general.
No matter what options they give us, there will always be players that are below any of our standards ((looks in the mirror)). It just happens. Someone's choice in costumes is not going to change that. It seems like we have two arguments here. One is that the clothes make the person, and the other is the person is who they are regardless of how they dress.
You can limit costume options if you want, but it won't change the simple fact that the person you don't want to play with will still dress however he or she likes within the given confines. Don't play with the people who dress contradictory to your ideals. Chances are, many of us don't team with certain people because they go against our ideas. Fine. Don't include them in your play. Chances are, they won't include us either.
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Don't you have anyone to argue with at home?
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No my cat just stares at me and occassionally licks his crotch. I'm hoping no one does that when reading my posts.
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
To be honest, this idea came specifically from this thread. Since people wanted the new costume options, I checked with Software - who said it could be done. Just wanted to let you know that yes, we do take suggestions!
FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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Your FYI was the dumbest excuse possible to justify this change. It was your mistake to put all the hero costume options in CoV. And now you are going to use that mistake to justify the mistake of putting all the villain options in CoH? That's just ludicrous.
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The option being added isn't hurting anyone. If the new costume features don't appeal to you for your heroes, simply don't use them. Your choices are not being limited and your ability to craft the toon that you want is not hindered. So...what's the problem exactly?
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I HATE that line of thought. So we should be ok if they decided to add tutus, strawberry shortcake hats, troll heads, and light sabers just because we don't have to use them? There is an integrity that goes to the game. Most of us picked up City of Heroes to play in exactly that, a City of Heroes. And vice versa with CoV.
If I wanted to play a mmorpg just for the sake of playing a mmorpg, I would play something else. I play CoH, and soon to be CoV, for a reason. For the genres and factions they each embrace. As we combine the two, we lose what makes each unique. Sure I can choose to make the only heroic looking hero in CoH while everyone else wants to look like retarded ninja zombies. But I've got to interact with those people. And if I wanted to just solo, I wouldn't be playing a mmorpg. I play this for the heroes to team up with other heroes. I don't want to team with villains(in CoH), elves, jedis, or care bears. If you can't understand the need and desire for a separation of genres and factions in the game, then you're just dense.
And my post wasn't even attacking the option of CoV pieces in CoH as much as it was attacking Statesman's flawed logic. The people that don't want the truly villianous pieces in CoH don't want the heroic pieces in CoV either. The big cheesy grin should not be a villain face. Nor cute widdle pandas on the shoulder. His logic for the addition of the pieces to CoH was utterly stupid.
The reason, and I'll bet money on it, that they are doing it is that you need to buy CoV to get access to the pieces. And this will get people who normally wouldn't buy CoV to buy it just to add costume options in CoH. It's about increasing sales. Which I get and I understand. I'd rather read that as a reason that the statement "Uh we did it cuz we did it in CoV too, hur".
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Ooo we're sensative on the boards lately. I'm afraid your dislike of teaming with people that play for reasons that differ from yours that may culminate in a hero theme or costume you consider ludicrious amount to absolutely nothing. With that attitude, you're limiting other peoples play experiance and judging or defining their personal opinions.
Yes there is a desire for seperate genres and factions in all MMO's. That is why there are guilds/sg's/battalions/etc. where you can team with like minded individuals. I sincerely hope you're not suggesting that the gaming industry shun those that would have a desire to play in a way that would be considered "off" by the majority of the player base. And if Joe Smith in Golden Road, Arkansas wants to play as a tutu wearing jedi troll in a stawberry shortcake hat then that's his business. Don't like it? Don't play with him.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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To be clear: the code for sharing costume pieces between City of Heroes and City of Villains is NOT yet in...heck, it isn't even written yet. BUT we'll do it after release - hopefully very soon after release. Then heroes can have access to the new options.
To be honest, this idea came specifically from this thread. Since people wanted the new costume options, I checked with Software - who said it could be done. Just wanted to let you know that yes, we do take suggestions!
FYI - for those who don't like the idea because villains should look different than heroes - remember that villains already have hero options. They can create a character identical to one that exists in City of Heroes.
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Um I think that we've been asking you for a very long time for more costume option. Not just this thread. Jack take two steps back from your computer, walk out you office door, get in your car and goto to your local game store, and ask any one there that plays this game what they think you should do in I7:
A. more nerfs
b. more content (I.E. more costume options, different areas, and better A.I. You developments to the game.)
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Don't you have anyone to argue with at home?
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No my cat just stares at me and occassionally licks his crotch. I'm hoping no one does that when reading my posts.
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hehehe.
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No my cat just stares at me and occassionally licks his crotch. I'm hoping no one does that when reading my posts.
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Oh god! How does everbody know?!?!?!?
Ahem.
Integrity of the game has to apply to the entire spectrum of players-- even those who think that school girls in minskirts and sailor suits are heroic and those who think that the tooth fairy is evil.
Tutus would *not* be an unwelcomed addition to any costume set in CoH *or* CoV
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Would I team with someone like that? Probably not.
They'd ruin my immersion.
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*wonders how many characters on Statesman's log in have that costume but aren't named Statesman*