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By afocks,
Posted on: 2012-09-19 07:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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It's surprising to me that there seem to be people who specifically go looking for instances of people being hopeful, happy or at least satisfied with the situation with the express purpose of "tempering expectations." And I don't get that.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Some people just want to watch the forum burn.

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It's surprising to me that there seem to be people who specifically go looking for instances of people being hopeful, happy or at least satisfied with the situation with the express purpose of "tempering expectations." And I don't get that.
I keep running into that a lot over in Champions online, mostly from people that are fairly well known to this community. All negative Nancy's the lot of them.

To me, those that are trying to be "realist" are really just coming off as ********. it's like the guy that tells you to shoot your dog instead of taking to the vet because it's "just an animal".

 

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"... If you want people to think realistically, then realistically the odds of the game being saved in any manner whatsoever are pretty low..."
Arcana, you should really know better:
"Never tell me the odds!"

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City of Heroes didn't fail, City of Heroes was killed. If a 747 dropped on your house, you'd say you were killed, not you failed to find a safer dwelling.
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“Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.”

― Mahatma Gandhi

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“Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.”

― Mahatma Gandhi
Proof that beliefs based on anything beyond factual data are dangerous to a society.

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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When someone is dying you focus on saving their life first, not dwelling on the medical bills and recuperative therapy. There will be plenty of time to give thought to what happens after the game is saved, if its saved.

If you want people to think realistically, then realistically the odds of the game being saved in any manner whatsoever are pretty low. But then again, the odds of actually saving someone's life through CPR are pretty low also.
There's a very personal reason to me why I disagree with your statement save to say that I've been pretty much directly in the example you stated. The single most important thing ever is what you make of the time you have left over anything else.

That's my realistic take on things. I have no problems with people trying to save the CPR patient, administer whatever care they can. But if you don't stop to appreciate the moment for what it is, who that person is and ultimately confront what you might do even to the point of not coping should that person no longer be around, any outcome that follows will come as a blow that you aren't prepared for.

As I say, I've been in that example, some details being different. The moment never ever comes back. And there's more than enough times I've wanted it to. I want City of Heroes to continue as much as anyone....saying that I have a possibly more pragmatic view about it doesn't mean I can't still be positive and hopeful.

Right?



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Here's the problem I have with your view of things and these analogies: In the case of CoH being a terminal patient - NONE OF US ARE DOCTORS! We know next to nothing about the actual health of the patient apart from: "Well, he looked great on Thursday, the 30th of August. I was just talking to him and then Friday morning, I heard he was in hospital. There were no warning signs at all!"

In this situation NCSoft is the doctor saying, "Well, I'm afraid my prognosis for the patient is terminal, so treatment will cease immediately and life-support will be switched off after 3 months."

Paragon Studios and Brian Clayton are the family, saying "Well, Dr NCSoft, we'd like to get a second opinion if you don't mind."

Us? We are interested onlookers, friends of the family, acquaintances, workmates, neighbours, even creditors and just plain rubberneckers, with varying levels of emotional attachment to the patient. Are you telling me that you would walk into an intensive care unit and a gathering of friends and family and be 'pragmatic' and 'honest' about the chances of survival of the patient? Or would you attempt to be supportive? If you really had nothing except the bare negative facts to share, wouldn't it be more tactful and polite to keep them to yourself especially as you are not a member of the medical staff or the family?

As far as the lottery analogy goes. Again, I'm not aware of anyone going around saying: "Hey, buy these magic golden tickets and we can guarantee that CoH will rise again!*" So I'm not sure where you are going with that.

*Terms and conditions apply. This offer is void in OH, MI and the Republic of Kazakhstan.

Bottom line for me - I don't see why you think it's your job to 'protect' me and others from disappointment. Because, unfortunately, you are too late. NCSoft's press release was pretty disappointing and I've read it, and understood it, and I've survived. Most of the other people involved in this discussion have read it too. Because we are all individuals we have responded to that disappointment in different ways. I've decided to do my best to show my support for a team of people whose work I have enjoyed and admired for several years and who seem to still be fighting for CoH's survival.

So I'm focusing on positive outcomes while the possibility still exists that they might be achieved. There's plenty of time for harsh reality to crush my hopes when we actually receive some concrete news - then you can respectfully tell me "I told you so." Unless they actually manage to pull off a miracle. If that happens, then I'll be too busy celebrating to hear your apology.

Until then, I'll continue to hope and fight for CoH and Paragon Studios. I can think of worse ways to spend my spare time.
Funny how you totally skip the fact that I said I hope it works too. And you saying coming into a room full of family and stuff as if I'm not part of this game to begin with. I've been here since I6, not as long as some beta people but longer enough to have invested a lot of time into this game just as most people have.

I'm not making it my job to protect anyone. People express their view on it and opinions and I do the same.

In family death situation, yes already been in that situation plenty of times. In fact it has been more times than I want to admit. And yes at one point there had to be a discussion of pulling the plug or continue life support. A very important decision had to be made during that time and regardless the fact was that the person may not pull through but there is a slim chance that they would. A choice had to be made but it couldn’t have been made on idealist views.

I'm not trying to crush anyone's hope and as I also said people are entitled to view only the positive side. That is fine, but at the same time I should then be entitled to have my view which may not be as high in the sky enough for some people and that should be fine too. If they can express how they feel, then so can I. If there is no such thing as freedom of expression, then it shouldn’t only apply to me. I'm not going around saying good riddance and telling everyone they are stupid for being attached to game and laughing at them. I'm just saying the possibilities just as they are adamant on pointing out and in some cases only focusing on the slim possibilities and even within the high hope people, there are variance of hope. Thus everyone won’t feel the exact same way and express in the exact same way and say the exact same thing i the exact same way in the exact same manner. And they should be able to do it in their own way without being jumped on because it may be or may not be too hopeful or not hopeful enough.

And either way there will be no "i told you so" or an apology as I do hope that this game makes it but it may not make it.

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It's surprising to me that there seem to be people who specifically go looking for instances of people being hopeful, happy or at least satisfied with the situation with the express purpose of "tempering expectations." And I don't get that.
These are people on the internet Sam, you have to temper your expectations.

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These are people on the internet Sam, you have to temper your expectations.
Or has tempering our expectations of people been exactly what has turned this country/planet into a hive of scum and villainy?

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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Or has tempering our expectations of people been exactly what has turned this country/planet into a hive of scum and villainy?
No, it's because we're too far out in the outer rim to warrant proper Imperial oversight.

 

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Or has tempering our expectations of people been exactly what has turned this country/planet into a hive of scum and villainy?
I think that's less a function of the expectations of people, and more a function of the presence of people.

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I think that's less a function of the expectations of people, and more a function of the presence of people.
While you won't find me arguing with any sincerity against that statement, bringing back shame for bad behavior still sounds like a good idea to me.

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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While you won't find me arguing with any sincerity against that statement, bringing back shame for bad behavior still sounds like a good idea to me.
Traffic's bad enough already without cluttering the cities with public stockades.

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Or has tempering our expectations of people been exactly what has turned this country/planet into a hive of scum and villainy?
Idiocracy is where things have been headed for some time now mate.

The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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Idiocracy is where things have been headed for some time now mate.
Funny story there... First time I watched that with my wife, we were about 1/4 through it before I realized she wasn't laughing. I asked her why and her response was, "This isn't a comedy. It's prophecy."

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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Oh man, everyone just needs to have mercy on me and stop with Professor Farnsworth. The "Good news" line that sticks in my head is the one where he is handing Fry an 'oxygen pill' and it's huge (I think this was the episode with the lost city of Atlanta).
Fry says, "I can't swallow that."
The Professor's reply is, "Good news, then. It's a suppository."

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Funny story there... First time I watched that with my wife, we were about 1/4 through it before I realized she wasn't laughing. I asked her why and her response was, "This isn't a comedy. It's prophecy."
Imma watch it and see if I get that same reaction or not.

Mike

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Imma watch it and see if I get that same reaction or not.

Mike
I think that when people come away from Idiocracy thinking it represents reality in any substantial way, it says more about them than it does about society.

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I think that when people come away from Idiocracy thinking it represents reality in any substantial way, it says more about them than it does about society.
Oh? You don't see our "leaders" filled with a level of ignorance that should astound and disgust any decent human?

You don't see a very real hatred/mistrust/fear of intelligence and knowledge in our society coupled with everyday attempts to legitimize ignorance and foist it upon our children?

Ok. You haven't been watching very closely, then. I'll get you started: study up on "intelligent design" and our states' boards of education and then go listen to some right-wing radio.

Edit: To put it another way, there's a lot of people in positions of power in this country that are ignorant in regards to reality, they are actively attempting to make everyone else as ignorant as they are while punishing those that speak against them, and based on the state of our country, they're doing a pretty good job.

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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Oh? You don't see our "leaders" filled with a level of ignorance that should astound and disgust any decent human?

You don't see a very real hatred/mistrust/fear of intelligence and knowledge in our society coupled with everyday attempts to legitimize ignorance and foist it upon our children?

Ok. You haven't been watching very closely, then. I'll get you started: study up on "intelligent design" and our states' boards of education and then go listen to some right-wing radio.
I actually do watch very closely. I'm aware of these things. Most often people seem to think that Idiocracy represents some philosophical truth or reality about the "stupidity" of easily led "sheeple" which often includes them portraying themselves as part of the "intelligent few" who can see the truth for what it is.

Further, it seems to me that many people buy into at least some of the ideological stances that would qualify as ignorant, and refuse to consider this possibility. So of course everyone has different definitions of what would constitute a true idiocracy.

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Edit: To put it another way, there's a lot of people in positions of power in this country that are ignorant in regards to reality, they are actively attempting to make everyone else as ignorant as they are while punishing those that speak against them, and based on the state of our country, they're doing a pretty good job.
I would argue that things are not always as they seem and that the situation is both more dire and more dystopian than Idiocracy's bland attempt at cynical humor. Those people in power may not be as ignorant as they seem and know exactly what they're trying to sell as the ideal status quo - that is, a nation where you essentially have two economic classes, and the poorer of the two exists primarily to support the wealthier of the two.

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LOL...
Well, with just my first run, I gained a 56% chance of "saving city of heroes" for us!
100% here. Bam! Everybody's welcome.






... Man, those last few posts before mine are depressing and off topic as ****.

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100% here. Bam! Everybody's welcome.






... Man, those last few posts before mine are depressing and off topic as ****.
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“Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.”

― Mahatma Gandhi
The statement should be taken one step further to complete the circle: Your destiny becomes the beliefs of others.

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Farewell is like the end
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