Good news all..

As I mentioned on another thread, it is business as usual for me. I was enjoying the game before the announcement and will continue to do so afterwards.


Sorry that I didn’t get all rosy and cheery enough for you and my faith in miracles don’t live up to your standards but I didn’t change before the announcement and I'm sure as hell aint going to change afterwards. Would you rather I say "Oh yeah I want angels to rush forth from the sky riding unicorns and save COX from the clutches of the evil corporation while all the players merrily cheered and lived happily ever after." Is that rosy enough for you? Does that meet your standards?

Why are you here?

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Never said we are at that point yet. But I'm not going to pretend that it's not a possibility that everything may not go as planned.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

I wasnt being a sourpuss. She mentioned CPR and I just mentioned that even then sometimes things dont work out as planned. I'm not sure if the end of this game and the the hope, which is good, should of been compared to an actual life and death situation in the first place but since it was, I just went along.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

WHAT?!! ALL of us!? WHEN DID THIS START GOING AROUND?!

Well, you people can go off and do that, I'm not havin' any part of it. Nosir or Noma'am, as the case may be. Not happenin' here. I have spoken, so there.

Mike

/I wonder if it's just that easy? Like falling at the ground and missing when you want to fly?
//Although, so far, I ain't been flyin'. I keeps not missing the ground... Meh, I'll miss one day, then you'll ALL see...

Maybe. To use the back from the dead analogy, I'd say it depends on the the quality of life and longevity the patient has after being "saved". Some people are going to be "golden" with the ability to play CoH in any form for any amount of time after Nov 30. Ok, that's fine, I get that. And now I've probably opened the door for several "I'm sticking with CoH no matter what" posts. And that's ok too.

But... the truth is that before that fateful Friday we had, from what I hear, eighty some people that had a role in maintaining what we had and cranking out new shinies at a very high rate... all to keep the game (and I'll give you the benefit of a doubt) at steady state. How many (devs and players) have left and will not return? What's the impact of that? Is it safe to assume that if there are less people working on the product and less people playing the product things are looking up? That is one heck of marketing challenge for whatever comes next.

Is CoH post Nov 30 (if it does happen) going to be a gimped version of CoH? How badly (servers, stuff, bases, etc.)? For how long? Can it survive that long financially? Nobody can answer that right now. I understand that. But you better believe I'm going to look at it very hard before I determine my level of commitment to this game in the future... if it is still around. I've had the rug pulled out from under me once. And I will say "pass" after seven and a half years if the answer is the game is "alive" but on indefinite "life support".

Does it being a crappy outcome sound like a "miracle" to you? After what I just posted, do you really think you're doing everyone some sort of service by singing a different version of "yeah, we're screwed"? Seriously?

Jesus, people.

Again, you can combine hope for the long-shot with reminding people that it's a really long shot without making it sound like hope of any sort is stupid.

Why is that even important to mention? Do you get the impression everyone else is or something? Because I don't.

Well, you are right of course (and I never meant to imply that any sort of hope is stupid). Maybe you should buy some lotto tickets... and use the millions to save CoH. That would be fantastic

From some posts, yes, I do get that impression as the mere mention of things may not work out seems to get some people worked up. Nothing wrong with hoping for the best and it's good to hope for the best. Even I hope things work out for the better. But you are not doing anyone any service by ignoring the fact that it may not work out and calling anything that don’t fit your "hope" as pessimistic or not of good service to everyone else. You kind of making sound like anyone that don’t have your level of hope or even utters anything that is not perceived by you as deep hope for some magic miracle to all of a sudden happen are stupid.

And even if this game does survive, the question is in what form. It might just be a shadow of its former self. It might be exactly the way it is now with not much changed. It might buy the farm.

Me personally I rather have a doctor that tells me the truth of both ends. If a treatment only had 5% success, I don’t want it trumped up as success is guaranteed. If there is a chance that I may not make it through, I rather know that too. And of course I would hope I pull through and I would be part of that 5% that makes it but best believe I'm sure as hell is going to have my finance and estate in order for the possibility that I don’t. Instead of pretending that 5% means 100% chance of making it and getting on anyone case that merely mentions the fact that I may not make it.

Or with the lottery, there is slim chance of winning but I'm not going to change my lifestyle and buy a bunch of stuff based on that slim chance and hope that I will win that 100 million dollars. I might hit but there is a strong possibility that I might not hit and that's not being negative or pessimistic. That is being realistic.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

No, I'm not. Read my last few posts. I explicitly state that people should be tempering any messages of hopefulness with clarifications that any such hope is a long shot, to put it mildly. We absolutely should remind people that it's possible that we get none of what a lot of players hope for here. We might get zippo beyond November 30 in terms of a playable game we would recognize as CoH. There is nothing wrong with reminding them of that. It's all about how you do that.

Some of you, out of whatever motivation, have resorted to or fallen back on stating only that reminder that it's a long shot, with no cushion. Maybe you're tired of pulling punches. Maybe you're in a hurry and didn't post everything you're thinking. Maybe you're mean. The message I find annoying comes across as "don't be hopeful, the game is probably toast". That's a similar but different message from "it's good to be hopeful, but just remember that we're hoping for a miracle, here".

Any you're willing to split hairs over it. You insist on presenting it in that glass-half-empty way, arguing with others over it. Look back at your response to the CPR analogy.

You're dealing with a lot of people who are emotionally invested in this game in one way or another - if that weren't true, there wouldn't be a "popular" movement to save the game. It's good to call out ridiculous optimism, but you need to expect to piss off anyone who shares that sense of investment if you come in preaching glass-half-empty. Hell, the glass isn't even really half full, but don't come in telling people "hey, your glass has almost no water in it". They want to be reminded that there's a little left.

And yet you insist presenting it in a view that the glass is overflowing but OK, Fair enough, as I did not mean to come off as the glass is half full or half empty either way it equates that the glass is only filled halfway there. At the same token as some people want to remain hopeful, that is good. At the same time all I ask and the other people that may have a more realistic view on the situation is not be attacked everytime someone mentions that things wont work out. AKA, dont shove that stuff down our throats and at least I wont even comment on the other end of the equation. Or we can just agree to disagree in the way that you people stop attacking realistic and acting like being realistic about the situation is stupid then maybe the realistic people will stop coming off as having blind endless hope is stupid. You have your way of looking at it, I have mine. There is nothing to argue about here. It is just different points of view but remember as people get pissed when someone mention that the end might just be near, people on the other side gets pissed when they are attacked for saying so.

In the end, it doesnt help the case either way. Right now, lets stop focusing on "Us vs them" or "share my view my way and your way is stupid" talks that usually go on and focus on merely what can we do to save this game. If this is the way this community operates is berates any opinion that dont fit their view then maybe this game isnt worth saving at all. I think we can get on a better understanding than "black and white views" and just allow people to view it how ever they view it. If it looks like Doom! to one, then fro mtheir point of view it might be Doom!. And that is not any more wrong of a view than saying that Someone WILL save this game and by Nov 31st, everyone will be logged on." And everything in between.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Citation, please.

*Salutes.*

Man, if I ever go to one of those player meetups and see you there, I'm buying you a beer. Or whatever you want.

And for those people being addressed by UberGuy, I'd say the first few times you pissed in our Cheerios, it was commendable. To temper our resolve with caution, you've done us a service. After several more times, I'd imagine you were overextending yourselves, but for good measure, I'd give you that. However, after thousands of posts collectively in the span of a couple of weeks, let's face it--you like pissing in Cheerios.

But you're all right about something. There's no point in dreaming. Dreaming won't get us anything. And for those who'd like to think they're helping simply by typing arguments and other posts on our forum, you're dreaming. If you're also posting messages toward our cause on dozens of other forums, posting open letters to NCSoft in comment sections beneath every major article about SaveCoH in the gaming press, sending physical letters, capes and masks to NCSoft, then sure, you could say you're doing something significant in the way of helping with nothing but mere words at your disposal.

Cheerio!

I dont recall you posting a citation of where I said the glass is half empty.
But that is immaterial really.

What is important is that you have your view and way of dealing with the situation and I have my view and way of dealing with the situation.

As I said before there is nothign to argue about and I'm not going to get into an arguement about it, over the way I view it compared to your views. I respect your view and hope you respect mine.

That is all I have to say on the subject.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

If you want to see some absolutely amazing thread mutation, read Bill Z Bub's "OK... now I'm sad" thread.

Someone in the thread mentions it may be the 2nd most random thread they've seen here. I'd like to see the one that tops it.

That has never happened here. We have never all wanted the same thing. Sometimes we want similar things and call them the same thing but then we argue about why the other person is wrong because the way they want it isn't "the right way".

Some people say being able to play the game in any form is Saving CoX.

Some people consider being able to play with their friends Saving CoX.

Some people consider same game same exact development team same community shaving *****.

Some people feel staving rocks is being able to play any superhero game with the same aprox development team in a similar environment.

And some people think there is no pox left to pave and all thats left is to bring everyone listed above to their point of mind by cereal urination.

UNIQUE DRAGON, maybe?

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Don�t say things. What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary. - R.W. Emerson

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

How about those who bought points on the 3rd August? Or their "quartely supply" in July?

Sure, they have their reasons for the date that they put in, but there will always be those who bought points and will "miss out".

Unless they refund them from the start date of freedom.

Me, if i had bought points just before the cut off date (or really any time in august/end of july) I would be getting in contact with the billing team to see what can be done.

thank you Impish. though it makes me wonder if this is a ........++++++CARRIER LOST-----

Here's the problem I have with your view of things and these analogies: In the case of CoH being a terminal patient - NONE OF US ARE DOCTORS! We know next to nothing about the actual health of the patient apart from: "Well, he looked great on Thursday, the 30th of August. I was just talking to him and then Friday morning, I heard he was in hospital. There were no warning signs at all!"

In this situation NCSoft is the doctor saying, "Well, I'm afraid my prognosis for the patient is terminal, so treatment will cease immediately and life-support will be switched off after 3 months."

Paragon Studios and Brian Clayton are the family, saying "Well, Dr NCSoft, we'd like to get a second opinion if you don't mind."

Us? We are interested onlookers, friends of the family, acquaintances, workmates, neighbours, even creditors and just plain rubberneckers, with varying levels of emotional attachment to the patient. Are you telling me that you would walk into an intensive care unit and a gathering of friends and family and be 'pragmatic' and 'honest' about the chances of survival of the patient? Or would you attempt to be supportive? If you really had nothing except the bare negative facts to share, wouldn't it be more tactful and polite to keep them to yourself especially as you are not a member of the medical staff or the family?

As far as the lottery analogy goes. Again, I'm not aware of anyone going around saying: "Hey, buy these magic golden tickets and we can guarantee that CoH will rise again!*" So I'm not sure where you are going with that.

*Terms and conditions apply. This offer is void in OH, MI and the Republic of Kazakhstan.

Bottom line for me - I don't see why you think it's your job to 'protect' me and others from disappointment. Because, unfortunately, you are too late. NCSoft's press release was pretty disappointing and I've read it, and understood it, and I've survived. Most of the other people involved in this discussion have read it too. Because we are all individuals we have responded to that disappointment in different ways. I've decided to do my best to show my support for a team of people whose work I have enjoyed and admired for several years and who seem to still be fighting for CoH's survival.

So I'm focusing on positive outcomes while the possibility still exists that they might be achieved. There's plenty of time for harsh reality to crush my hopes when we actually receive some concrete news - then you can respectfully tell me "I told you so." Unless they actually manage to pull off a miracle. If that happens, then I'll be too busy celebrating to hear your apology.

Until then, I'll continue to hope and fight for CoH and Paragon Studios. I can think of worse ways to spend my spare time.