If NCsoft refuses to comply, and the game shuts down, What is our revenge scheme?
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Posted on: 2012-09-17 19:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
THAT is what I would most like to stick it to NCSoft with.
THAT is how I'd like to see revenge. Our unmitigated, unstoppable, unbreakable spirit. |
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Originally Posted by DarkBlaster_NA
Personally, Those years of computer science and hacking lessons from my brother aren't going to be wasted.
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There'll need to be donations at some stage, if Plan Z turned out to be the only thing we can do to save the community - although tech and modeling experts volunteering to help get something off the ground would cut costs a bit.
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Originally Posted by Lycantropus
you have no idea how much money I'd pay TonyV and whomever he can get from Paragon Studios to join with him to form a company and produce a game called "Titan City" with a Kickstarter campaign.
Actually, I don't know how much money I would pay either... I'd have to check my finances. I'm old and have disposable income, but still... It would be as much as I, my wife, and even son (who loves CoH, and who's still living with us but paying rent) can afford. ^.^ |
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Originally Posted by Dollhouse
That's how corporations work: cold, hard mathematics.
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In that case, my plan is to go and carry out various vaguely villainous errands for EA and Activision. Maybe a few errands for NCSoft too.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
I was waiting for someone to remember that this wasn't just a City of Heroes -- it was also a City of Villains.
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My revenge scheme is to buy GW2, and maybe Blade & Soul. That'll show 'em!!!
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I don't think you've thought your clever plan all the way through...
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Originally Posted by Intrinsic
My revenge scheme is to buy GW2, and maybe Blade & Soul. That'll show 'em!!!
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Glad to hear it, Golden Girl. These are just my suggestions, but I hope ya'll won't skip a beat after November 30th--because we'll need the momentum of sliding neatly into the next phase if we want the community to stick together post-sunset. And sometime before sunset (end of October/beginning of November--or even sooner?), we should also make a push to have the forum community adopt the Titan Network's forums as City of Heroes default "official forums". Just in case NCSoft pulls these forums out from under our feet before November 30th.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Although that's the Plan Z option if everything else fails, some basic groundwork is already being done, just in case the worst happens.
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That's very good to hear. I stated as much would be happening in another thread already. |
Originally Posted by Lycantropus
Pretty much this. Not one member of my family or SG will buy another NCSoft product again if this comes to pass, and will be sure to tell others what they think if this comes to a close. While I don't consider this a blip on my radar, we all might be surprised.
I was in Game Stop the other day and the cashier asked me if I wanted to pre-order the new WoW expansion, and I (never having played WoW) said "Nah, I'm an avid City of Heroes player and buying anything for an MMO at this point isn't really something I want to do..." To which she soberly replied "I'm so sorry, I heard about what's going on there..." Two other people in the store also piped up. Nobody there actually played City of Heroes, but they knew what was going on, and were very supportive and said they were sorry the way things were going down. It was nice to hear, to be honest (the past few weeks have been a very low point for me for a miriad of reasons, including this). However, more importantly... gamers know what's going on. They know who is doing it and don't understand it any more than the rest of us. I didn't ask if they bought GW2 or if it influenced their purchases from them... I was feeling awkward enough as it was by getting so much attention from an offhand statement I'd made, to tell the truth. I just wanted out of there and not to think about it. I think this will impact NCSoft more than they realize, in the western market at any rate. That will probably be 'revenge' enough. |
I think NCSoft doesn't know it yet, but our vengeance is already taking shape.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
The revenge I want to see is all the fired members of the Paragon Studio to get their own game development studio, get some serious funding, kickstarter maybe, and role out a new MMO that blows everything out the water. NCSoft can only watch and feel shame as they realize what they let go.
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I think you misspelled, "I'd like to see all the Paragon Devs go work for Cryptic!"
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Although that's the Plan Z option if everything else fails, some basic groundwork is already being done, just in case the worst happens.
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Better yet... we acquire a school bus... now bear with me here... we acquire a school bus, paint it up all CoH themey and assemble it ON THE ROOF.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Who's up for a Costco run to buy pallets of TP?
Or we could go all Bond villainy and induce the North Koreans to invade the south. That should hurt NCSoft's bottom line. |
Barring that... I'll pitch in for some eggs. TP and egging go hand in hand after all.
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I'm with Two-Headed boy on this. No money to NCsoft. You pissed me off, so I'm taking my business elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by TonyV
I stopped reading here, because this is exactly right. Let's just pretend for a second that I could snap my fingers and have Guild Wars 2 just disappear and NCsoft to go bankrupt because of it's stake in it. I wouldn't do it. You know why?
Because I wouldn't have wanted an avid Tabula Rasa fan to have done it to us. |
I don't WANT Arenanet or GW2 to fail. I'd love to support them. They seem to have a very innovative system going.
And as soon as they become an independent studio on their own no longer beholden to NCSoft or sharing profits with them, I'll be on board.
But not until then.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
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That sounds like a Nemesis kind of plan to me. Way too much collateral damage.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Or we could go all Bond villainy and induce the North Koreans to invade the south. That should hurt NCSoft's bottom line.
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If I had the expertise to do so and CoH does shut down, my version of revenge would involve shutting down all their other games for a week starting on the day of CoH's shutdown. Of course, I can't do that. I'll just have to settle for warning people off of NCSoft because of their horrible practices.
I am wondering if something will happen if CoH shuts down though. If someone with the knowledge to do so is planning somehting, they're definitely not going to announce it here on a public forum. Unless they're really itching to lose their computer for some reason.
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I think you need to look up Ponzi scheme.|
Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Personally, I wouldn't see NCSoft going bankrupt as revenge. I see it as foiling a Ponzi scheme.
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They may have gone about the closing of the game in the worse possible way. (I can't really describe that properly without profanity. Feel free to spice it up in your head.) But they haven't committed a crime. At all. We all knew the game would close its doors at some point.
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| What if NCSoft cut off a different game in the future that developed as close a community as the one we developed here? |
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Golden Girl's sense of loyalty is old-fashioned and pretty extreme, which is why she'll still be fighting for this game and community long after the game is taken away from us. She'd be indispensable in the case of a Plan Z, still slogging away and helping in any way she could, long after many others lost interest in a game they could no longer play without getting a ton of hard work out of the way first. Despite everything ya'll throw at her, she'll still do her best to save the reason for our being here. That's why Golden Girl is one of the biggest real-world heroes here, and it's why I'd throw my chips in with her any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
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Just what I was about to post (in jest, of course)! It wouldn't be too difficult to provoke North Korea (they are a bit nuts, after all)... maybe send some notes insulting Kim Jung Un over the DMZ via balloons laden with Christmas lights and South Korean flags? Granted, thousands (if not millions) of people could perish in the ensuing conflict, but such is the price of denying us our ability to run around in virtual tights! The plot just needs steam-powered robots and some plots within plots... maybe a mole machine or two...|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Or we could go all Bond villainy and induce the North Koreans to invade the south. That should hurt NCSoft's bottom line. |
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Sadly I don't think that's true, they've already had massive success with Guild Wars 2 since the announcement and it's just passed two million box sales, likely to go far higher due to it's 'buy to play' nature.|
Originally Posted by Lycantropus
I think this will impact NCSoft more than they realize, in the western market at any rate. That will probably be 'revenge' enough.
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I'm a little uncomfortable with the calls to boycott NCSoft games, which although understandable runs the risk of hurting other development studios who are just as good as Paragon. It's running too close to pure spite, kind of a "if I can't have my toys then NOBODY can" and that just feels wrong.
On top of that the OPs suggestion is just ridiculous, illegal and certainly not going to do anything for the CoH communities reputation.
If we are keeping it legal which i assume we are the options are limited. But if we all refuse to buy any NCSoft title ever again and tell our friends and relatives not to do so that would hurt NCSoft at least in their western markets.
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I think you need to look up the definition of the term Ponzi scheme.|
Originally Posted by Sureshot_Liberty
I think you need to look up Ponzi scheme.
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They let the game go on eight years. Eight.
That's an enormously long time for an MMO.
Personally, I got my money's worth. I've played the game since CoV came out, and, yeah, I'm gonna miss it. But I'm not gonna dwell on the loss, and I'll move on.
I pre-ordered GW2. Fantastic game, I've already spent some money on gems, because it's a good game.
If you think NCSoft was hosting this game purely out of the goodness of their heart, or that any corporation does anything purely out of the goodness of their heart, something's wrong with you.
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Originally Posted by Zanddara313
If we are keeping it legal which i assume we are the options are limited. But if we all refuse to buy any NCSoft title ever again and tell our friends and relatives not to do so that would hurt NCSoft at least in their western markets.
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Doesn't seem to be making a difference right now. I'm pretty dissatisfied with GW2 for a number of reasons (guilds in other games I play are all but dead because leadership ditched for that game, did not like the first one, possible correlation to CoH endtime...)
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Originally Posted by Zanddara313
If we are keeping it legal which i assume we are the options are limited. But if we all refuse to buy any NCSoft title ever again and tell our friends and relatives not to do so that would hurt NCSoft at least in their western markets.
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My only revenge on NCSoft will be that I don't intend to give them any of my money again until I can get a better explanation of why they ended the game like this. I don't want them to collapse as a company, they still kept City going for years and a lot of other people enjoy their other games.
Otherwise I'll play other games when City ends, maybe give Champions a proper try and give support to any kind of City successor game that turns up. The best 'revenge' will be ending up with a great City style game that becomes a big success. 
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This. I know they can do it. Whether they plan to, I don't know.. I just know that if they did this, the game would be ten kinds of amazing.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
The revenge I want to see is all the fired members of the Paragon Studio to get their own game development studio, get some serious funding, kickstarter maybe, and role out a new MMO that blows everything out the water. NCSoft can only watch and feel shame as they realize what they let go.
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I'm only ladylike when compared to my sister.
Even without the advocacy of illegal activity, it was still silly. "Revenge?" For making what they believe to be a necessary business decision? I think it was the wrong decision, but then again, I don't know the details. Given that CoX was at least somewhat profitable, I'd be fairly certain this decision was made more for tax offset purposes, not simple balance sheet calculations. That's how corporations work: cold, hard mathematics. They're not out to "get" us or anything like that. It's just a matter of bottom line.
Avoid NCSoft's products if you feel you can't count on them not to shutter a game you decide to commit to (that's what I'm doing). But "revenge?" Don't be an idiot.
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