Have to admit it . . . GW2 may replace COH for me
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Posted on: 2012-09-11 01:46 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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There is more to it than it being a good or bad game. A lot of people play City of Heroes not because of it being casual, but because it's just not another frigging fantasy MMO.|
Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
I'm enjoying it as well.
If people can get past their bitterness, they'd realize there are other good games not named CoH. It won't be coh, but that doesnt mean it is automatically better or worse. GW2 actually has a very casual core to it that I could see appealing to the playstyles of many CoH players. |
Outside of the fantasy realm, CoH was just the best there is and was, not just among super hero mmos.
That's not to mention the super sidekick system. Even one to one sidekicking like at CoH launch is not acceptable for me anymore. I need a game where the whole team can be set to act at the same level of effectiveness. Few games out there do that (Champions online and perhaps Star Trek?)
I admit there is bitterness in me not wanting to give NCSoft any more money.
I admit there is bitterness in me being convinced Paragon got shut down so the ArenaNet studio was able to hire more manpower.
But those are just spice on why I am not touching the game.
Wildstar may tempt me a bit more, but I have zero information on the game, as far as I know it may be a space skinned classic MMO. If I find that game more appealing once its closer to launch, then I will be re-visiting my grudge with NCSoft.
I was going to take a look at GW2, but in the light of what happened to CoH there's no chance that I'll be giving NCsoft any more of my cash - regardless of how good the game is.
I hope others feel the same way.....
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Is it a Fantasy game? Worse.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
I'm enjoying it as well.
If people can get past their bitterness, they'd realize there are other good games not named CoH. It won't be coh, but that doesnt mean it is automatically better or worse. |
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Honestly? The only problem I have with this is if NCsoft uses this testimony as a good reason to close CoH. That's my main worry. I hope to all hell that they won't care though
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Enjoy hunting down trolls and rats to level up.
NCSOFT may take away our servers and beloved dev team, but they can't break our spirit and community. with all your power, NCSOFT, your victory will be bitter-sweet. I, personally will be there to laugh at you when you face-plant into the ground.
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Originally Posted by asgard_NA
Enjoy hunting down trolls and rats to level up.
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I don't think either of us have seen any trolls or rats yet.
Shame though, we can't level up without them!
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Absolutely... which is why I enjoy GW2. Steampunk, technomagic, guns, rifles, traps, turrets, glass pyramids, hover technology, teleportation tunnels, etc...|
Originally Posted by SteelRat
On another note (and not for a minute knocking the OP) aren't people just sick to the back teeth of fantasy genre games?
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...some people see a tree with an animal running around and disregard an entire game universe.
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One of the big unspoken reasons why NCSoft shuttered Paragon is that the Western MMO market is in a noticeable decline.|
Originally Posted by Cobra_Man
I was going to take a look at GW2, but in the light of what happened to CoH there's no chance that I'll be giving NCsoft any more of my cash - regardless of how good the game is.
I hope others feel the same way..... |
I, for one, would hope others feel that if the game itself is worth their time and money, they'd go ahead and play it regardless of who's corporate logos are on the login screen.
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Originally Posted by Vyver
I don't think either of us have seen any trolls or rats yet.
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Others have seen Warcraft do the same and more.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
...some people see a tree with an animal running around and disregard an entire game universe.
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...sorta unrelated, but any of you remember what Tabula Rasa was originally designed to be like before they trashed the entire game and redesigned it?
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
I think, for all intents and purposes, that most sci-fi themed games are really fantasy games with a sci-fi skin.
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I think it's unfortunate to condemn a game based on association with the publisher. Paragon Studios, born of Cryptic, did not have to be picked up by NCSoft at all, yet they chose to reinvest in the game. Similarly, ArenaNet was backed to try a lot of things in their game that are risky, distinctly breaking with a lot of MMO standard practices and was supported by NCSoft.
If you're angry and hurt about the still potential loss of this game, then I feel for you, I really do. I have many friends hurt and upset by this decision. But if you choose then to personalise it at the publisher and blind yourself deliberately to the possibility that another studio can also make a good game, then that's a bias you'd accuse the OP of having in their decision (and mine also as I'm playing it too). I have never once during my six years here stayed solely with this game. I like superheroes, I like Star Wars, I like Lord of the Rings, I like Conan, I like modern-age magic stories. I am not naive enough to think that just one game will address and engage my interest in those things, so I play MMO's that do.
There's no betrayal of trust there, just as there's no implicit and intended maliciousness by NCSoft to anyone here on these boards on a personal level. None of us were contacted individually and taunted. Again, I appreciate that people's feelings are hurt, but it's worth trying to come to terms with that hurt and not impose that on others, because that is in a sense what you might perceive NCSoft is doing to you.
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I'm sure there are many nanotech origin stories for the majority of those who purchased Nature Affinity too.
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Originally Posted by Starsman
Others have seen Warcraft do the same and more.
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Oooh yes, the magic influenced, western/asian art cross over, attacking with harps and riding unicorns.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
...sorta unrelated, but any of you remember what Tabula Rasa was originally designed to be like before they trashed the entire game and redesigned it?
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They still kept some of it in the game...
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Maybe you get to them when you reach level 13? Have you encountered any fairies or elves ? At least a dragon with tooth-decay?
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Originally Posted by Vyver
I played for a couple days, the my gf took over and has been playing for a week and..
I don't think either of us have seen any trolls or rats yet. Shame though, we can't level up without them! |
NCSOFT may take away our servers and beloved dev team, but they can't break our spirit and community. with all your power, NCSOFT, your victory will be bitter-sweet. I, personally will be there to laugh at you when you face-plant into the ground.
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It actually wasn't half bad looking in that trailer either.
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Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
Oooh yes, the magic influenced, western/asian art cross over, attacking with harps and riding unicorns.
They still kept some of it in the game... |
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You don't need to fill in the blanks. Call it gadgetry, tinkering or steampunk. It's all the same and WoW has it in spades. One race in wow are interdimensional aliens that arrived to the planet in a spaceship.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
I'm sure there are many nanotech origin stories for the majority of those who purchased Nature Affinity too.
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Just because you add some fantasy-tech into a high fantasy world does not make it sci-fi.
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If you love that, it's all more than cool. But saying "...some people see a tree with an animal running around and disregard an entire game universe" is a very trollish way of dismissing people's opinions and taste while at the same time saying they are narrow minded and stupid for not seeing and liking what you do.
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If I wanted to point out qualities of GW2, I'd probably not use how many modern fantasy tropes it manages to encompass as an argument for originality. Steampunk and technomagic might have been 'woha, new!' in the days of Arcanum or Eberron. That was, what, 10 years ago. Today they are not exactly at the apex of creativity.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
Absolutely... which is why I enjoy GW2. Steampunk, technomagic, guns, rifles, traps, turrets, glass pyramids, hover technology, teleportation tunnels, etc...
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Heck, even WoW went the "lol everyone's a flesh robot!" route.
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Originally Posted by asgard_NA
Maybe you get to them when you reach level 13? Have you encountered any fairies or elves ? At least a dragon with tooth-decay?
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Originally Posted by JayboH
...sorta unrelated, but any of you remember what Tabula Rasa was originally designed to be like before they trashed the entire game and redesigned it?
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It had a very... unique art style, as I recall.
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I think you forgot the other side of that argument. The point was that I don't consider GW2 a fantasy MMO in the same sense that WoW is, just like I don't consider CoH a sci-fi MMO like EVE is.|
Originally Posted by Starsman
Just because you add some fantasy-tech into a high fantasy world does not make it sci-fi.
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CoH pays attention to many genres, and I am finding the same care when it comes to GW2.
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Yeah - I played a little of the beta when the game was completely overhauled... and it was at least better than Auto Assault but never grabbed me.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
I vaguely remember "really weird."
It had a very... unique art style, as I recall. |
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Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
Can magic and Science fiction co-exist in the same world? Quite possibly; it does in Guild Wars 2 and World of Warcraft...
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Lots of science fiction shows also have fairly elaborate set designs, so that can get quite expensive as well (I think Firefly's ship set was fairly expensive).
But, I'd say the biggest reason? Network executives hate science fiction, and always try to meddle. Like how Fox reordered the episodes of Firefly so the pilot was the 11th episode (hilariously enough, the last episode made was shown as 10...) which made the story much harder to follow. Or, how Futurama was basically the most pre-empted show in history (I think at least 20% of the episodes were pre-empted... they had enough they never showed to make an entire season. And people think CoH got treated poorly by NCSoft!
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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As a genre, Science Fiction is as if not more popular than Fantasy, but the sci-fi genre in games tends to be over shadowed in favour of fanstasy (with the possible exception of EvE). I did look at GW2 after recommendation of some of my old SG mates, but I've also tried (and am absolutely loving) SW:TOR. Most will probably tell me why GW2 is the better game, but my digestive system will simply not allow me to endure yet another RPG based on a tired and much over used formula for the setting.
Just keep an eye open for Shadowrun Online, and Cyberpunk 2020. Yes, there is also Shadowrun Returns, but that is a follow on from the original Shadowrun computer games (and apparently it aims to wrap up the plot lines from the SNES and Megadrive/Genesis original games).
Cyberpunk 2020 is being done by CD Projekt RED (of Witcher fame) as an MMO (oooh yes please), and there are others coming out.
The hard thing though is that players (maybe not you and I) seem to prefer the "semi AFK style" of being able to tab-target for MMO's. Yes, there are 3rd/1st person shooters out there, like Planetside, Tribes, Global Agenda but they hit a different niche (the shooter fans).
*shrugs*
Oh, and lets not forget that Anarchy Online (11 years old) is *still* running (somehow) and that is a sci-fi MMO.
One of the problems that at least my friends have with science fiction is that because it is normally set in "our universe", people want to know how stuff works. Yes, we can keep on handhaving it away with unobtanium and the like, but it is then when you need a *very* well written MMO.
However, with fantasy when asked "how does it work", if you say the special words "its magic"... people let it slide. Why? Because its *magic*. Something that you cannot describe easily (nor choose to).
Can magic and Science fiction co-exist in the same world? Quite possibly; it does in Guild Wars 2 and World of Warcraft...
One sci-fi game to keep an eye out for that is also on the horizon is Defiance (from Trion). It is a sci-fi MMOFPS style game, that will also be running with a TV series.
((actually, come to think of it, why arent there more Science fiction live action shows on TV running? or if they do, why do they seem to get cancelled earlier/faster than the generic fantasy ones?))