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IF this rumor is true, I really hope it's not SOE. If it is, I swear, I'll throw up a little in my mouth. Sony has screwed me so many times over the years that I've permanently sworn them off. IF SOE acquired the game, I think it would be a short-term reprieve at best, as I honestly think they are incapable of managing a game like City of Heroes or a studio like Paragon Studios without screwing it up--and screwing us players over in the process.

IF it is SOE, I honestly can't help but think that they would be buying the IP rights and/or assets for the sole purpose of ensuring that no one else gets it, so that they can be 100% sure that City of Heroes is permanently dead and can NEVER be competition for any of their other MMORPGs.

I'm begging everyone here, please be careful what you wish for. We do not want this game in the hands of Sony. It pains me to say this, but I hope that NCsoft would just shutter the thing before selling to Sony, because if they shutter the thing, it doesn't preclude someone else getting it and opening it back up later.

IF there is meat behind this rumor and there are other interested parties, I really hope that a smaller publisher/studio acquires the rights. I want a company that isn't a behemoth in the industry. Such a company wouldn't look at the income that Paragon Studios generates as small potatoes. Such a company would treat it with the value and worth that it deserves.

To make an analogy, if you make $800 per month in income and someone gives you a $100 bill, that can actually be life-changing. At the very least, you will appreciate the hell out of it and remember that gift forever. If you make $8,000 per month in income and someone gives you a $100 bill, you'd probably say, "Yeah, thanks..." and forget about it in a few days. I want Paragon Studios and City of Heroes in the hands of a company that really appreciates it for what it's worth, someone who doesn't shut it down because it's not making enough money.


We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
They have three fantasy MMOs, and another two in development. SOE doesn't mind competing with itself.
In the strictest sense competition breeds innovation.... or mud slinging. I am all for a buyout if it is what it takes. I would hope they do right by the game and the playerbase.


 

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Dignity isn't really the word I'd associate with the current handling of the game by NCSoft.
Haha, yeah, no kidding! I'm sorry, but NCSoft in general makes SOE look like the Angel Gabriel!

Jeez, at least (barring license terminations by IP holders like Star Wars, etc.) SOE keeps their darned games running! I'll bet they'd be thrilled to take CoH under their wing, what with a built-in paying player base and all!

NCSoft are Korean. They don't give a good tinker's about the US or Europe for that matter. We're just pin dots on the map for them, more trouble than we're worth. But SOE is American. Their games do best here, that's their core audience anyway.

Even if this doesn't pan out, thank you, OP, for giving us all a tiny bit of hope. Hey, maybe Paragon Studios are even the tiniest bit hopeful right now.


 

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Originally Posted by TonyV View Post
IF this rumor is true, I really hope it's not SOE. If it is, I swear, I'll throw up a little in my mouth. Sony has screwed me so many times over the years that I've permanently sworn them off. IF SOE acquired the game, I think it would be a short-term reprieve at best, as I honestly think they are incapable of managing a game like City of Heroes or a studio like Paragon Studios without screwing it up--and screwing us players over in the process.

IF it is SOE, I honestly can't help but think that they would be buying the IP rights and/or assets for the sole purpose of ensuring that no one else gets it, so that they can be 100% sure that City of Heroes is permanently dead and can NEVER be competition for any of their other MMORPGs.

I'm begging everyone here, please be careful what you wish for. We do not want this game in the hands of Sony. It pains me to say this, but I hope that NCsoft would just shutter the thing before selling to Sony, because if they shutter the thing, it doesn't preclude someone else getting it and opening it back up later.

IF there is meat behind this rumor and there are other interested parties, I really hope that a smaller publisher/studio acquires the rights. I want a company that isn't a behemoth in the industry. Such a company wouldn't look at the income that Paragon Studios generates as small potatoes. Such a company would treat it with the value and worth that it deserves.

To make an analogy, if you make $800 per month in income and someone gives you a $100 bill, that can actually be life-changing. At the very least, you will appreciate the hell out of it and remember that gift forever. If you make $8,000 per month in income and someone gives you a $100 bill, you'd probably say, "Yeah, thanks..." and forget about it in a few days. I want Paragon Studios and City of Heroes in the hands of a company that really appreciates it for what it's worth, someone who doesn't shut it down because it's not making enough money.
Relax, the OP confirmed that SOE is not the only company interested... just the only one he got the name of out of the list of interested parties.


 

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Originally Posted by Scythus View Post
Relax, the OP confirmed that SOE is not the only company interested... just the only one he got the name of out of the list of interested parties.
I know, I'm just saying that IF the rumor is true, I really, really hope that one of the other companies comes through.


We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)

 

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This is one of those times I agree with TonyV. It doesn't happen often, mark it down.


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I know there is at least one person begging Blizzard to buy it on the forums over there. There's one reason I could get behind it: with Blizzard, we might get a proper Mac client, instead of the jury-rigged Transgaming emulation thingy we have now.


 

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I'd love to see Paragon become a standalone studio.


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I know there is at least one person begging Blizzard to buy it on the forums over there. There's one reason I could get behind it: with Blizzard, we might get a proper Mac client, instead of the jury-rigged Transgaming emulation thingy we have now.
I saw that, and already posted my reply. I don't think it would ever happen. It is completely out of character for the company.


 

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someone who doesn't shut it down because it's not making enough money.
With 1999's original Everquest still going and getting game updates, I'm not sure how low SOE really sets their profit requirements for older games.
And CoH isn't some new game they've invested millions in only to be let down when it doesn't match WoW's numbers - anyone who buys CoH knows exactly what they're getting - a polished, stable, well-loved MMO classic that's been consitently profitable over the years, with its own unique space in the MMO marketplace, one of the most dedicated and passionate player bases of any type of game, and a well-established hybrid subscription model.


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I'd love to see Paragon become a standalone studio.
So would I - but that still might take time to set up - a sale to another publisher offers us the continuity neeeded to keep most of the community together.


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Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
With 1999's original Everquest still going and getting game updates, I'm not sure how low SOE really sets their profit requirements for older games.
And CoH isn't some new game they've invested millions in only to be let down when it doesn't match WoW's numbers - anyone who buys CoH knows exactly what they're getting - a polished, stable, well-loved MMO classic that's been consitently profitable over the years, with its own unique space in the MMO marketplace, one of the most dedicated and passionate player bases of any type of game, and a well-established hybrid subscription model.
Plus, wasn't already established that CoH was making money, just not enough for NCSoft?


 

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I'd likely quit if SOE bought the game. They're install rootkits and spyware on your machine within a month.


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So would I - but that still might take time to set up - a sale to another publisher offers us the continuity neeeded to keep most of the community together.
Plus Paragon Studios would need to buy the IP and code back, which they probably would not be able to get the money for a very long time.


 

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Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster View Post
I'd likely quit if SOE bought the game. They're install rootkits and spyware on your machine within a month.
I could live with that for CoH.


 

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Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
They have three fantasy MMOs, and another two in development. SOE doesn't mind competing with itself.
To add, the two games are very different. dcou is a very fast paced, action oriented game, almost more like dynasty warriors control wise, with heavy pvp elements and an origin and customization system that is a great deal less rp friendly (your origin?, luthor's reprogrammed space robot bugs, period!) and a heavy reliance on established characters that you are never really shown as an equal to. coh is customization heavy, pvp light, rp super friendly and with traditional play mechanics, and no established characters to have to overshadow you. i can see it being a vanguard/everquest situation. honestly, ill take what I can get. if they grabbed more of the paragon employees, then i'll pay what they want, lifetime? sure, worth it. ill even buy SUPER PACKS.


 

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I'd likely quit if SOE bought the game. They're install rootkits and spyware on your machine within a month.
*looks at desktop*

Let em try.

(Ubuntu 12.04, and it runs coh wonderfully)


 

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Here's a question to ponder:

If SOE gets their hands on the game, but decides to ditch every single developer that has worked on the game - do we still consider this a good thing?


Doom.

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This is really doom.

 

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Also, if we want to daydream a little, this is from the Wikipedia page about the 3rd EQ1 expansion:

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"The Shadows of Luclin also incorporated a new game engine, new character models, and gave players the ability to design graphical user interfaces. The player characters' appearance was completely redesigned giving them more layers and rounder shapes"


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I'd rank SOE quite far above EA, but still not exactly in my 'oh yay!' territory. Especially with the price they charge for server transfers and that sort of stuff.

Valve would still be my preferred purchaser (even if even less likely than the others). They're fairly well liked (the only thing people ever hate them for is not releasing HL3 already, pretty much), they've got a huge platform & storefront (so they could easily advertise CoH to a massive number of people with little to no effort), they're not new to f2p games (TF2 went free to play... HATS!!!!), plus they're also big on cross platform, so would likely invest resources in creating native Mac and Linux versions of the client... they'd likely also be willing to invest in engine overhauls & upgrades (they still push out fairly large upgrades to their older games occasionally). Although, I'm not sure if Valve has ever bought a game before... not counting ones like CS which were mods of their games. Unlikely, but I would like it to happen (and, of course, picking up as much of Paragon as possible ).


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Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen View Post
Here's a question to ponder:

If SOE gets their hands on the game, but decides to ditch every single developer that has worked on the game - do we still consider this a good thing?
At that point a status of "Lets see what happens" is best. Maybe they will improve it? Who knows.


 

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Think SoE is in Texas, so it IS likely some devs simply not see a move viable.


 

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I would be ecstatic about SOE or anybody else buying the game even if they were terrible at running it. Another reprieve creating another year plus of running would be welcome.


A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!

 

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****, if Saddam Hussein's rotting corpse kept the game going I'd send him $15 a month with a smile on my face.

I'll keep my hooves crossed.


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Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen View Post
Here's a question to ponder:

If SOE gets their hands on the game, but decides to ditch every single developer that has worked on the game - do we still consider this a good thing?
I don't see why they'd even do that - I'm pretty sure that the salaries paid by NCSOft weren't so staggeringly ginomous that SOE couldn't match them, and I don't see why they not hire the people who knew how the game worked inside out rather than pay to train a whole new team to learn about it - plus, the dev-player relationship in CoH is one of its selling points.


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