The Final Doctor Who thread (expect spoilers!)
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Posted on: 2012-09-01 24:20 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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very serious - that was the whole basis of the reboot - the story was the doctor had sacrificed everything, even his own people to lock the darleks and time lords in a loop to end the war - that he was the last...and when he and rose found the last darlek - it was in the near future of earth. The zillionaire collector had a darlek and had no idea what it was...he collected aliens and had no idea what a Darlek. The doctor even has a conversation with it, how they are the last two of thier kind...|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Are........are you serious with this post?????
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The reboot was hinged on that fact - there were no more darlek or timelords - that was his great sadness he carried. Having darleks pop up like roaches seems to go against everything that brought dr. who back. Since they have brought back so many Darleks so many times, I wish they would bring back some time lords - the Rani, for example was ruthelss - if the master lived so should she...Romanna, the docotors time lord companion - I would think she would have survived somehow as well.
there has long been a rumor that Jennifer Saunders would be the next Doctor...
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Originally Posted by Jaso
very serious - that was the whole basis of the reboot - the story was the doctor had sacrificed everything, even his own people to lock the darleks and time lords in a loop to end the war - that he was the last...and when he and rose found the last darlek - it was in the near future of earth. The zillionaire collector had a darlek and had no idea what it was...he collected aliens and had no idea what a Darlek. The doctor even has a conversation with it, how they are the last two of thier kind...
The reboot was hinged on that fact - there were no more darlek or timelords - that was his great sadness he carried. Having darleks pop up like roaches seems to go against everything that brought dr. who back. Since they have brought back so many Darleks so many times, I wish they would bring back some time lords - the Rani, for example was ruthelss - if the master lived so should she...Romanna, the docotors time lord companion - I would think she would have survived somehow as well. |
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you completely missed what Dark was talking about. If you look closely at what he bolded in your post you'll see he is referring to your constant mispelling the name of the Doctor's greatest enemy.
There is no such thing as a "Darlek" anywhere in the Doctor Who franchise. It's spelled D - A - L - E - K.
There is no "r" in their name. Oh and you aren't being picked on for your typos, you consistently spell the "Dalek" name wrong the exact same way each time you use it.
DALEKS
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Seems potentially like a 'Hooked on Phonics' failure. Some of the accents on the show make it sound like there could be an 'r' in there.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
There is no such thing as a "Darlek" anywhere in the Doctor Who franchise. It's spelled D - A - L - E - K.
There is no "r" in their name. Oh and you aren't being picked on for your typos, you consistently spell the "Dalek" name wrong the exact same way each time you use it. |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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The vowel sound "a" is pronounced "ar" in most of southern England.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Seems potentially like a 'Hooked on Phonics' failure. Some of the accents on the show make it sound like there could be an 'r' in there.
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Dalek is an anagram of Kaled, the original name of the race.
On accents, I thought the opening/closing narrative sounded a bit fake.
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That's why you need to spring for Hooked on Oragutan Phonics rather than Hooked on Monkey Phonics. |
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Seems potentially like a 'Hooked on Phonics' failure. Some of the accents on the show make it sound like there could be an 'r' in there.
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And thus someone who was raised with 'Hooked on Phonics' might hear a word they didn't know how to spell spoken that way and get the wrong idea how to spell it... is what I was getting at. I wasn't impugning the actors for getting it wrong.|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
The vowel sound "a" is pronounced "ar" in most of southern England.
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| Dalek is an anagram of Kaled, the original name of the race. |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Yes. Technically a retcon (from "Dal") but since Genesis was written by the dalek's original creator, I'll let him get away with it.| Indeed. Wasn't that revealed in the 'Genesis of the Daleks' episode I referenced earlier? It's been awhile since I saw it... I wonder if it's on Netflix streaming... |
And, anyone who hasn't seen GotD, you really, really, really should. It's seminal TV SF.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you completely missed what Dark was talking about. If you look closely at what he bolded in your post you'll see he is referring to your constant mispelling the name of the Doctor's greatest enemy.
There is no such thing as a "Darlek" anywhere in the Doctor Who franchise. It's spelled D - A - L - E - K. There is no "r" in their name. Oh and you aren't being picked on for your typos, you consistently spell the "Dalek" name wrong the exact same way each time you use it. DALEKS |
that was how I thought it was spelled..considered me sued. GG
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I think he was more sad about having to kill his own people than the "Darleks". We did actually see the Time Lords return briefly (Rassilon and the High Council of Time Lord Mucky-Mucks), but I think bringing back someone like the Rani or Romana would only cause the same problem that you were complaining about with the Daleks. It's one thing to bring them back, they're the Doctor's mortal enemiy and never stay defeated for long (same goes for the Master). But start bringing back other Time Lords and you're bringing the universe back to a time before the Time War, and that would defeat the purpose of the reboot.
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Originally Posted by Jaso
very serious - that was the whole basis of the reboot - the story was the doctor had sacrificed everything, even his own people to lock the darleks and time lords in a loop to end the war - that he was the last...and when he and rose found the last darlek - it was in the near future of earth. The zillionaire collector had a darlek and had no idea what it was...he collected aliens and had no idea what a Darlek. The doctor even has a conversation with it, how they are the last two of thier kind...
The reboot was hinged on that fact - there were no more darlek or timelords - that was his great sadness he carried. Having darleks pop up like roaches seems to go against everything that brought dr. who back. Since they have brought back so many Darleks so many times, I wish they would bring back some time lords - the Rani, for example was ruthelss - if the master lived so should she...Romanna, the docotors time lord companion - I would think she would have survived somehow as well. |
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I'd disagree bringing back the Rani would upset things so much. I mean she's basically a female Master that never 'caught on' as much since the show went into deep hibernation.
Really, the main problem with bringing back like Romana is that it would most likely mean the Doctor would 'settle down'. One of the big things in the new series is that he's just -lonely-, he thinks he's the absolute last time lord and he really regrets that, as much as things went wrong at the end he still had pride in Gallifrey and his civilization. Consider when the Master came back and he practically -begged- him to just drop everything and go off with him. Not to say they couldn't do that in the show but you know eventually even a Time Lord companion would have to say goodbye, at best just regenerating, at worst -dying- or being sealed off somewhere, etc so the show could continue on.
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In a way, the Rani would make a better ongoing enemy for the Doctor in the nuWho universe than the Master.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
I'd disagree bringing back the Rani would upset things so much. I mean she's basically a female Master that never 'caught on' as much since the show went into deep hibernation.
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With no other Time Lords around, if the Master is alive, he HAS to be the Doctor's top priority. Given enough breathing room, The Master will either conquer the universe, destroy all of reality, or create some similar cosmic disaster. So at the end of every encounter, the Doctor has to be convinced the Master is dead. He can't just "get away" or the Doctor looks a fool for not spending every waking moment working on finding and stopping his arch-nemesis.
The Rani, on the other hand, is more the amoral mad scientist type. She could wander about time and space, performing her twisted experiments, conquering a planet here and there. Basically acting as an "anti-Doctor", wandering at whim, but doing harm with her indifference to "lesser beings" rather than doing good out of caring.
And if the Rani escapes at the end of a battle between them, it's not an immediate cosmic crisis. Sure, the Doctor would want to track her down at some point, out of a sense of Time Lord responsibility. But in the grand scheme of total threat to all life in the universe, the Daleks and several other forces are a greater worry, so the Doctor doesn't look like an irresponsible idiot for putting off dealing with The Rani until her next scheme comes to his attention.
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Yeah agreed. And that's one thing that the show is considerably lacking. Antagonists just don't -last- beyond the most basic iconic races like Daleks and Cybermen, but all the big 'named villains' (or even organizations) either die or disappear. No bad guy ever gets to really hang around and the most iconic ones like the Master or Davros are 'too big' to have around casually because they've reached a point where their plans are too dangerous or too big.
I was kind of hoping that Madam Kovarian might end up a recurring villain and there's still a chance for that but I'm kind of expecting it won't be the case. Especially since the most we've got on her is just she's one of the Silence's lackeys and they double cross her.
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But the Silence didn't actually double cross her. That only happened in that timeloop that occured when River didn't "kill" the Doctor. When he "died" none of that ever happened.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
I was kind of hoping that Madam Kovarian might end up a recurring villain and there's still a chance for that but I'm kind of expecting it won't be the case. Especially since the most we've got on her is just she's one of the Silence's lackeys and they double cross her.
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Right?
Timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff.
Radio Times is a good source for all things Who, so here are some possible **spoilers** for next week's episode:
* Radio Times mentions that the Doctor will acquire a new ally in "The power of Three".
* Jemma Redgrave plays a character called Kate Stewart, who, according to IMDb "leads UNIT".
Not too hard to join the dots...
(NB, the name is consistent with the Who Expanded Universe)
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Netflix has a fairly nice assortment of Dr. Who classic eps, some are streaming most are just rental. |
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
And thus someone who was raised with 'Hooked on Phonics' might hear a word they didn't know how to spell spoken that way and get the wrong idea how to spell it... is what I was getting at. I wasn't impugning the actors for getting it wrong.
Indeed. Wasn't that revealed in the 'Genesis of the Daleks' episode I referenced earlier? It's been awhile since I saw it... I wonder if it's on Netflix streaming... |
Btw, my Classic Dr. Who memories are a bit hazy but wasn't there a story where the Master came back to the present Doctor due to a future incarnation of the Doctor being so ruthless that even the Master was scared of him?
The Trial of a Time Lord I think. It was a whole season story arc so I don't remember when The Master showed up but I'm pretty sure it's in that story arc.
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Thanks. I'll have to look for that. Kind of funny to think of the Master as being scared of an incarnation of the Doctor.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
The Trial of a Time Lord I think. It was a whole season story arc so I don't remember when The Master showed up but I'm pretty sure it's in that story arc.
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Was anyone else hoping the Doctor's next companion was the crazy Dalek? Could just imagine it now. "Blast! My great weakness. Stairs." Would have certainly been fun with having a crazy dalek as the comedy relief of the show.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
Was anyone else hoping the Doctor's next companion was the crazy Dalek? Could just imagine it now. "Blast! My great weakness. Stairs." Would have certainly been fun with having a crazy dalek as the comedy relief of the show.
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I toyed with the idea but decided not to mention it because I figured there'd be a mob at my door within a few hours with tar and feathers.
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A Dalek companion would have the same problem as K9: Far too many traditional Dr Who plots would be resolved near-instantly when the Companion blows the monster-of-the-week into smithereens.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
Was anyone else hoping the Doctor's next companion was the crazy Dalek? Could just imagine it now. "Blast! My great weakness. Stairs." Would have certainly been fun with having a crazy dalek as the comedy relief of the show.
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Yeah it was an alternate timeline but we don't know who ended up remembering it. River and Amy remembered, as did the Doctor and presumably Rory so it's not far fetched to imagine Madame Kovarian remembered it too. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
But the Silence didn't actually double cross her. That only happened in that timeloop that occured when River didn't "kill" the Doctor. When he "died" none of that ever happened.
Right? Timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff. |
Hard to say. I really do hope we see her again. She seems pretty interesting and I'd like to know more about her.
And as I said, we're really short on -recurring- villains in the show.
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I assumed they remembered because they were |
Originally Posted by Agent White
Yeah it was an alternate timeline but we don't know who ended up remembering it. River and Amy remembered, as did the Doctor and presumably Rory so it's not far fetched to imagine Madame Kovarian remembered it too.
Hard to say. I really do hope we see her again. She seems pretty interesting and I'd like to know more about her. And as I said, we're really short on -recurring- villains in the show. |
a. Time travelers.
b. Their own lives were so closely intertwined with the Doctor's.
c. Amy grew up with a crack in the universe in her bedroom.
But I could easily be wrong. Like I said wibbley wobbley, timey wimey.
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Originally Posted by ThugOne
A Dalek companion would have the same problem as K9: Far too many traditional Dr Who plots would be resolved near-instantly when the Companion blows the monster-of-the-week into smithereens.
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In my mind the Doctor would have disabled/removed her weapon either at her request or at his insistance. Maybe replaced it with a sonic thingamajigger.
Woooow, yeah. I kept looking at him thinking "Who is that, I know that is!" but couldn't place it. Damn <3 That's pretty neat