The Final Doctor Who thread (expect spoilers!)
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Agent White,
Posted on: 2012-09-01 24:20 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Probably a lot, tbh, but you would be missing out on a LOT of classic 60's sci0fi |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Well thanks to a pal of mine loaning me some files and DVD's I'm now able to go back and start rewatching Dr. Who back at the beginning with Doctor 1. The plan is to watch the episodes starting from the beginning and work my way up to the present, but obviously we are speaking of many episodes and many Doctors. So, are there any stories or Doctors from the classics that could be skipped or at least delayed for awhile?
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I'm also watching them all from the beginning, halfway through season 2 atm, just about to watch the Chase. Not an easy task, given that 106 episodes don't exist so I'm having to watch reconstructions and audio recordings and the like, but I'm really enjoying it. It's fun to see how bad the cliffhangers were back in the early stuff......oh noes!! Someone is about to walk around this corner and see us!!.....quick, walk away quietly!!......phew!
But a lot of the early serials don't really reference much until at least the second Doctor when we find out more about the Time Lords etc.
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While true that the existence of 106 episodes is in question, there are rumors that more eps have been found or rediscovered either by studios or fans that submit them for restoration/remastering. Also supposedly some fans that have lost eps on tape are digitizing them and putting them on the web, but somehow I doubt the BBC would take kindly to that even though technically the person's actions could be construed as preserving the episode. An uncle of mine had a tape collection that had many early Dr Who's that was sadly lost in a fire a few years ago. Shame too as the way he described it, it was a complete collection of at least the first 4 Docs.....I suspect the BBC would have been ecstatic to get their hands on that collection as he was very careful about recording and storage.|
Originally Posted by Coin
Probably a lot, tbh, but you would be missing out on a LOT of classic 60's sci0fi
I'm also watching them all from the beginning, halfway through season 2 atm, just about to watch the Chase. Not an easy task, given that 106 episodes don't exist so I'm having to watch reconstructions and audio recordings and the like, but I'm really enjoying it. It's fun to see how bad the cliffhangers were back in the early stuff......oh noes!! Someone is about to walk around this corner and see us!!.....quick, walk away quietly!!......phew! But a lot of the early serials don't really reference much until at least the second Doctor when we find out more about the Time Lords etc. |
I do like though how with even the first episodes of Doc 1 that the story/mystery and acting talents of the cast can pretty much compensate for the FX of the era and low budget.
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Can we really be sure that the Face of Bo (Capt Jack) won't pop up again? All we really know from past episodes is that Jack returns to life after dying.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
That was still such a stupid twist to me. Not YANA, but the identity of the face of Bo. Also nonsensical. "You're a fixed point in time" (only you're going to grow and age and mutate into this giant face thing, so y'know, not -really- fixed at all).
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Since it was a Davies character I think it's relatively safe to say it won't. I mean, it'd be nice, I did like Who Jack (Torchwood jack can go jump in a lake). But as with any creative hands-change it does seem mostly like Moffet has left Davies' stuff alone. No Torchwood, no Rose, no Jack, no Time War, etc. We still get little references now and again (SO MUCH GUILT) but I think for the most part Moffet just isn't going to try to touch or expand on it (which is a shame, I really did enjoy the Time War mythos Davies built over time) He's got his own stuff, like River Song, to develop.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Can we really be sure that the Face of Bo (Capt Jack) won't pop up again? All we really know from past episodes is that Jack returns to life after dying.
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Well that was kind of my point. he was a FACT in Time. Rose revived him by turning back the clock and -freezing- him to the point before he died so he can never progress beyond that state. To me that means he should never change, never age. obviously the writers felt differently if they wanted to hint otherwise but to me it just seemed like such a simple concept.
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Originally Posted by Coin
I kind of liked the concept of it though, if Jack can't die, what will he look like in millions of years from now?
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Personally I'd at least like to see Jack so he and Eleven can meet.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Since it was a Davies character I think it's relatively safe to say it won't. I mean, it'd be nice, I did like Who Jack (Torchwood jack can go jump in a lake). But as with any creative hands-change it does seem mostly like Moffet has left Davies' stuff alone. No Torchwood, no Rose, no Jack, no Time War, etc. We still get little references now and again (SO MUCH GUILT) but I think for the most part Moffet just isn't going to try to touch or expand on it (which is a shame, I really did enjoy the Time War mythos Davies built over time) He's got his own stuff, like River Song, to develop.
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Just think how it would go if it was Eleven and Jack and River. That would be some "trouble". |
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Personally I'd at least like to see Jack so he and Eleven can meet.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Well that was kind of my point. he was a FACT in Time. Rose revived him by turning back the clock and -freezing- him to the point before he died so he can never progress beyond that state. To me that means he should never change, never age. obviously the writers felt differently if they wanted to hint otherwise but to me it just seemed like such a simple concept.
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The problem as I see it is that there is so much we don't know about what happened to Jack between the time we last see him as Jack and when we first see him as the Face of Bo.
I think what we see is one of the dangerous results of tampering with a fixed point in time. Whether the cause was deliberate or accidental, immediate or cumulative whatever happened between now and then is one hell of a story we may never see.
Didn't like this latest episode. Seemed like a lot of pointless, chaotic jumping about capped off with a magic handwave to fix everything.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Going slightly off topic here, the last episode of Leverage last week had a Doctor Who reference as two of the characters introduced themselves as Agent Tennant and Smith of Interpol.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Going slightly off topic here, the last episode of Leverage last week had a Doctor Who reference as two of the characters introduced themselves as Agent Tennant and Smith of Interpol.
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I noticed that too
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Called it.
Felt kind of like an asspull though.
"oh, happy ending, everything's normal... BUT WAIT".
Bittersweet but for ways to 'kill' them it was probably one of the better ones that "killed them but didn't". I kind of have a feeling he's not going to do anything about the family though which is... kind of weak since we were introduced to Rory's Dad so recently? And what's the whole point of using this season to really hit home on the "Trying to separate Doctor Life from Real Life" if he just kills them off this way and moves on?
Honestly I think Moffat is just getting kind of sloppy. Like, I enjoyed the episode overall but it seems like he's just making up rules as he goes now. This season has just felt the weakest of his 3.
That was a pretty ******* lame ending.
It wasn't bad. Definitely leaves room for a steampunk Amy and Rory series. And despite what the doctor said there is no reason they can't show up again. After all, Rose couldn't possibly show up again because she was in a parallel universe and there was no way to ever again open a portal to it. Until there was.
Did love one exchange though.
Amy: Do you think you're just going to come back to life?
Rory: Don't I always?
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yeah that was a good line. Though, did we really need -another- 'Rory Dies' moment? The Silence weren't kidding. He really is the man that dies and dies again.
River was great. The part with the baby angel and the match was great. And the Statue of Liberty was awesome. The episode itself was just okay.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/333778
Unfortunately epub only. Hopefully no drm so I can use calibre to convert it to kindle format.
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I hate endings like that. It reminds me far too much of Serenity and the punk move done to Wash.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
It wasn't bad. Definitely leaves room for a steampunk Amy and Rory series. And despite what the doctor said there is no reason they can't show up again. After all, Rose couldn't possibly show up again because she was in a parallel universe and there was no way to ever again open a portal to it. Until there was.
Did love one exchange though. Amy: Do you think you're just going to come back to life? Rory: Don't I always? |
Okay I'm slightly confused. Did that last Angel send Rory and Amy back to restart the whole paradox, or were they just sent back.
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I -believe- just sent back. The 'hotel farm' or whatever was caused by a mass of angels and the paradox they created killed most of them, but the one in the graveyard survived so it managed to 'feed' on them, alone.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Okay I'm slightly confused. Did that last Angel send Rory and Amy back to restart the whole paradox, or were they just sent back.
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The last Angel sent them back to the 19th Century. Truthfully the way it was set up, I do think the pair could easily brought back any number of ways.
-In a spin off Steam Punk Drama featuring the pair.
-At this point, bypass the fixed time thing, the same way the Doctor did, cheat, the Doctor goes back in time to that point, buys the a couple plots, erects the tomb stones, and they move on their way, or varations there of.
-The Doctor goes back to their time period to visit them.
I think their time as companions is over, but I could see any number of ways in which they could be brought back latter on.
As far as endings, I kind of thought it was blah. The only reason why their trapped in the 19th Century is b/c Rory paused for a moment, when he should have just joined the others in the TARDIS.
-To me a more interesting ending would have been, Rory sacrificing himself in a rather heroic fashion,
And Amy regenerates into Madame Vastra, vowing vengeance against the Doctor for Rorys death.
Actually a better way to send them off would've just been letting Amy get pregnant again. They spelled it out in episode one of this season. And the whole build up of 'doctor life vs real life' was coming to a head, another baby would've sealed the deal and meant they couldn't adventure any more while still giving them a couple small cameos as the Doctor moved on.
But oh well. Last minute emotional gut punch. Sure.
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Um, what? At maximum they only got sent back 60 years. Wasn't the graveyard in modern-day New York?|
Originally Posted by Tocharon
The last Angel sent them back to the 19th Century.
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-To me a more interesting ending would have been, Rory sacrificing himself in a rather heroic fashion, And Amy regenerates into Madame Vastra, vowing vengeance against the Doctor for Rory’s death. |
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Thing about the Face Of Bo, it was never actually confirmed in the canon of the show itself, never confirmed on screen, only as a comment by Russel T Davies on the DVD Commentary, so can easily be ignored or retconned if needed.
I kind of liked the concept of it though, if Jack can't die, what will he look like in millions of years from now?
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