The Final Doctor Who thread (expect spoilers!)
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Agent White,
Posted on: 2012-09-01 24:20 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Netflix has a fairly nice assortment of Dr. Who classic eps, some are streaming most are just rental.
Btw, my Classic Dr. Who memories are a bit hazy but wasn't there a story where the Master came back to the present Doctor due to a future incarnation of the Doctor being so ruthless that even the Master was scared of him? |
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
The Trial of a Time Lord I think. It was a whole season story arc so I don't remember when The Master showed up but I'm pretty sure it's in that story arc.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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He was 12.5, between the Doctor's 12th and "final" incarnations. Of course, now you have the Doctor claiming that there's no limit on regenerations in The Sarah Jane Adventures, and the Time Lords were the ones who put that restriction in place originally and they're long gone. So really who knows what the hell's gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Indeed it was the Trial of a Time Lord. That incarnation of the Doctor was 10.5 or 11.5 I think - it was the excised evil portion of one of the future incarnations of the Doctor and was called the Valeyard. I may have referenced it earlier in the thread. The Master was hiding away in the Matrix and showed up to help (and double-cross, of course) the Doctor.
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We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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And didn't River recently (in "Let's Kill Hitler") give his system a boost by giving him her ability to regenerate?
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
He was 12.5, between the Doctor's 12th and "final" incarnations. Of course, now you have the Doctor claiming that there's no limit on regenerations in The Sarah Jane Adventures, and the Time Lords were the ones who put that restriction in place originally and they're long gone. So really who knows what the hell's gonna happen.
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I do like the idea that The Valeyard might just have been manifested in the Dream Lord, from Amy's Choice
Always remember, we were Heroes.
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It was something along the lines of giving him her remaining regenerations. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And didn't River recently (in "Let's Kill Hitler") give his system a boost by giving him her ability to regenerate?
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And yah, the Master has been used to explore that too, as I recall somewhere before the restart (or maybe it was recently? can't remember) the Time Lord's offered the Master another set of regenerations.
Ok so Power of Three.
I liked this one, probably my favorite of the season so far. Not to say it did not have its problems but I liked it nonetheless.
It had a decent mystery that kept you wondering (even if the 'reveal' is anticlimatic). The character development -really- shines here, though in both ways I like and dislike. Mainly because the new show has just had this obsession with the divide between a companion's 'real life' and their life with the Doctor and to me it's a crutch for the writers to make up drama and continually pull things back to modern Earth to see family(and rescue them), keep up with lives, etc. Not necessarily bad and in fact this episode did it really really well but it still doesn't deny that it's been an ever-present theme and favored mechanic of the writers that's just wearing thin for me. I just kind of liked companions when they didn't have attachments. But the interactions here were just delightful and at least felt meaningful.
The climax was pretty weak though. Like, it just felt like it didn't matter what was said or who the 'villain' was, they could've just said any old thing in place there, then they had the random quick fix. Which -really- didn't seem believable, the sheer time difference between the Tower of London and Rory's hospital was more than long enough to leave everyone afflicted with heart attacks stone dead. This pretty well felt like a Russell T Davies story with the magic fix-it button.
But for this one the story really just felt like a framework for all the character development. Kind of sloppy but the development really made up for it. And there were a lot of good parts to chuckle about like the party 'trip'. And Rory's Dad was quite adorable. Kate Stuart really made me smile the widest though and I thought it was a very good nod to the old show and a beloved character. I'm -really- hoping she gets a few more cameos.
That sucks. No more Doctor Who episodes after next week until the Christmas special.
The first step in being sane is to admit that you are insane.
I fear we will need that long to recover from the parting of the Ponds.
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Eh, this whole season has been pretty blah to me. Well, by "season" the paltry sum of episodes that has been put out. It feels like they've taken a play from SciFi with BSG episodes.
The only thing that was any good was the episode with the Dalek looney bin planet. And that, really, because of the character in it.
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Oddly enough I've felt the same way. And I say oddly enough because I've been a huge Amy and Rory fan. To me their screen time was much more important than that of the Doctor because it was only when interacting with them that he became really interesting. And as far as I'm concerned they are the best companions yet. But this season I've been completely meh about them. The characters do absolutely nothing for me. I don't even find Amy as attractive as before. Sure she is still physically cute but her personality vanished.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Eh, this whole season has been pretty blah to me. Well, by "season" the paltry sum of episodes that has been put out. It feels like they've taken a play from SciFi with BSG episodes.
The only thing that was any good was the episode with the Dalek looney bin planet. And that, really, because of the character in it. |
That's just my personal feeling of course. Others are fully entitled to love the season.
Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!
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I think part of it is how they are just dragging out the inevitable leaving of the two. Either leave or not, don't do this half-***** trying to have both lives.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
Oddly enough I've felt the same way. And I say oddly enough because I've been a huge Amy and Rory fan. To me their screen time was much more important than that of the Doctor because it was only when interacting with them that he became really interesting. And as far as I'm concerned they are the best companions yet. But this season I've been completely meh about them. The characters do absolutely nothing for me. I don't even find Amy as attractive as before. Sure she is still physically cute but her personality vanished.
That's just my personal feeling of course. Others are fully entitled to love the season. |
Yeah I think they've just been building it up for 'teh dramaz'.
Considering that their send off episode involves the angels I'm going to assume they're going to get 'eaten' by the angels with the trick they were initially introduced with. So Amy and Rory will be sent back int ime and spend the remainder of their lives in New York and the Doctor won't be able to 'save' them until he runs into their old selves passing away, but they'll have gotten a full life.
Or something. I'm hoping it's not that simple or easy :P
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So they get sent back in time, and Amy or Rory uses one of their cellphones to call the Doctor who goes back in time and brings them back to the future, or the Doctor uses some other wacky timelord/TARDIS trick to find them and bring them back.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Yeah I think they've just been building it up for 'teh dramaz'.
Considering that their send off episode involves the angels I'm going to assume they're going to get 'eaten' by the angels with the trick they were initially introduced with. So Amy and Rory will be sent back int ime and spend the remainder of their lives in New York and the Doctor won't be able to 'save' them until he runs into their old selves passing away, but they'll have gotten a full life. Or something. I'm hoping it's not that simple or easy :P |
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Yeah if this were a normal episode, sure. Since it's their departure episode though? he might end up coming up short. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
So they get sent back in time, and Amy or Rory uses one of their cellphones to call the Doctor who goes back in time and brings them back to the future, or the Doctor uses some other wacky timelord/TARDIS trick to find them and bring them back.
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They've built it up so there's no going to be just some "Sorry, we can't travel with you anymore Doctor, goodbye" kind of send off. I'm totally expecting them to die or be lost in time or something.
What, another "fixed point in time"? Lame. There are even ways around that as the Doctor has demonstrated.
I hope they have something more original planned.
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Don't you dare.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
What, another "fixed point in time"? Lame. There are even ways around that as the Doctor has demonstrated.
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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Short "series" aren't uncommon on on British TV. Programs like Lewis, Sherlock, or Midsommer Murders often have a series of only three episodes.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Eh, this whole season has been pretty blah to me. Well, by "season" the paltry sum of episodes that has been put out. It feels like they've taken a play from SciFi with BSG episodes.
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I really should do something about this signature.
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That was actaully established in the old series when the Time Lords recruited the Master to help the Doctor (i think it was the 5 doctors special) where they offered him "more rengenerations" in exchange for his help..it would suggest it is something controlled and with no time lords left, no longer limited I guess.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
He was 12.5, between the Doctor's 12th and "final" incarnations. Of course, now you have the Doctor claiming that there's no limit on regenerations in The Sarah Jane Adventures, and the Time Lords were the ones who put that restriction in place originally and they're long gone. So really who knows what the hell's gonna happen.
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I think bringing back Romanna would be a great story. There is no assumption she would fall into his arms. She could hate him for destorying all the time lords. The face of Bo (if I spelled that wrong too sorry) did tell the doctor he was not alone, he may not have meant just the master. There are a handfull of other time lord villians that they could pull from , Omega for one as well as the Order of the Black Sun created by Alan Moore, who were the first to engage in a time war with the Time Lords.
What I want to see. Amy and Rory thrown way back in time. The Doctor plans to rescue them but then finds out that they at some point helped Torchwood save the world, and most likely saved it a few times with their own organization. So he can't rescue them because that would mean Earth is screwed.
Plus in a couple years it gives us a spinoff steampunk series.
Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!
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There may be other Time Lords running around, but I doubt Bo knew about them. Remember the anagram for You Are Not Alone was YANA, which is a person that Bo knew about millions of years earlier when he was still going by the name Jack Harkness.|
Originally Posted by Jaso
The face of Bo (if I spelled that wrong too sorry) did tell the doctor he was not alone, he may not have meant just the master.
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Personally, I was all excited to see another Time Lord in The Doctor's Wife until it turned out that the Corsair was dead. Oh well, at least we got to see his arm.
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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Sure! The Doctor hops back to the planet where they made the Doctor's Daughter and he reprograms the equipment to make dupilcates of Amy and Rory, then he takes the duplicates to the planet where they made the slimey goo clone of Amy and makes duplicates of the duplicates. Then he miniturizes the duplictated duplicates, puts them in justice bots disguised as Amy and Rory, and has them replace the original Amy and Rory while they hide out in the TARDIS.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
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When the Weeping Angels enter the Justice bots to get the duplicated duplicates he traps them in a temporal loop and transports the bots to the black hole where he and Rose defeated the Devil and tosses the Weeping Angels into the black hole with him.
pant . . . wheeze . . . gasp
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He could also be referring to the Doctor's daughter Jenny.|
Originally Posted by Jaso
The face of Bo (if I spelled that wrong too sorry) did tell the doctor he was not alone, he may not have meant just the master. There are a handfull of other time lord villians that they could pull from , Omega for one as well as the Order of the Black Sun created by Alan Moore, who were the first to engage in a time war with the Time Lords.
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That was still such a stupid twist to me. Not YANA, but the identity of the face of Bo. Also nonsensical. "You're a fixed point in time" (only you're going to grow and age and mutate into this giant face thing, so y'know, not -really- fixed at all).
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
There may be other Time Lords running around, but I doubt Bo knew about them. Remember the anagram for You Are Not Alone was YANA, which is a person that Bo knew about millions of years earlier when he was still going by the name Jack Harkness.
Personally, I was all excited to see another Time Lord in The Doctor's Wife until it turned out that the Corsair was dead. Oh well, at least we got to see his arm. |
Well thanks to a pal of mine loaning me some files and DVD's I'm now able to go back and start rewatching Dr. Who back at the beginning with Doctor 1. The plan is to watch the episodes starting from the beginning and work my way up to the present, but obviously we are speaking of many episodes and many Doctors. So, are there any stories or Doctors from the classics that could be skipped or at least delayed for awhile?
A curious line from Asylum of the Daleks keep popping up in my head. Early on while on the Dalek spaceship Amy asked The Doctor "What do we do" and his reply is "Make them remember you." I guessing that's a hint to the whole Amy and Rory's last adventures story arc.
Yes I know of some of the spoilers about their last episode, just trying not to spoil it for everyone else.
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