Stop blaming gw2 already!

Hmm. I'll have to get an off-hand (e.g. unofficial, unvetted) comment made at the PAX meetup clarified then, they mentioned being in a different position than Paragon when questioned about the closure.

That's because they're using "better" security for Aion/GW2 than the standard Master Account system can provide - whether it is ACTUALLY better remains to be seen. Humans are clever and security is never proactive - it's always a reaction to what has already been done/is being done now.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

ArenaNet is a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft, been that way since 2002. That fact is even on ArenaNet's site as well as all of NCSoft financial statements. It's not that hard to look up, I have no idea why people keep insisting that they are an independent studio.

Did they have any say in Paragon Studio's shut down, of course not, only the most tin foil hat conspiracy crowd may believe that. However since their game's revenue is NCSoft's revenue, I can't think of an argument for those who refuse to give NCSoft any money every again to spare GW2 from their wrath.

While ArenaNet is it's own separate subsidiary, Paragon Studio is under the NC Interactive subsidiary while Carbine Studio, who is doing WildStar is directly under NCSoft Corporation, the parent company.

Kindly reread my reply to Bella's response well before you even posted, thank you!

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

While I want to support Paragon Studios and City of Heroes any way I can, turning this into guerilla warfare and antagonising people helps nobody. Especially since antagonising NCsoft hurts everyone equally, considering they're the ones that need to be convinced to do something with the game - revive it, sell it off, open-source it, whatever. You CANNOT force NCsoft to do anything. End of line.

Take it from me, trying to foist an ideological struggle on people never works. Sure, you may get a few very devoted co-conspirators, but as passionate as we are about City of Heroes, you have to recognise that not as many as you think are willing to abandon all comfort and sit out in strikes all day and all night. Doing anything at all for City of Heroes isn't going to happen by force. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Noticed it afterwards. I reply to posts when I read them and don't wait until I read all the new posts in a thread.

What exactly? That they should tank another small subsidiary company similar to Paragon Studios/CoH and put more innocent and hard working employees that love their own particular game in the unemployment lines.


I think a better message would be for Paragon Studios to (hopefully) get the rights to keep CoH running after NCSoft gave up on us to play their accounting shennanigans

Yeah, I think ArenaNet's position is more like Cryptic's was.

The only power we have against NCSoft is our own pocketbooks and word of mouth. We have to hit them were it hurts, by encouraging people to to buy their products.

If you don't see that, then you are part of the problem. You want to help? Then don't buy anything that gives NCSoft revenue. Go to their websites and tell the you'll never buy anything they publish and tell them why.

Lead, follow or get the f**k out of the way.

No, the problem is you, making a bad situation even worse on no real information and only bile to light the way. Count me out of your "revolution," firebrand.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Never counted you in, I knew better. Just don't pretend you give two $hit$ about this community.

The only info we need is NCSoft is shutting down the game with no explination, and yet somehow I'm the problem because NCSoft shut the game down with no info. Makes pefect sense, don't get mad at the company that did it, get offended by anyone using the only tools they have to save it.

God forbid anyone ever stand up and fight for anything.

We can't have nice things in this country because of jacka$$e$ like you.

Damn you Sam, going into Joes country and stealing his nice things.

Fair play though, it's a long old journey.

/signed

Really. I have GW and... think it's nightfall. I wasn't all that impressed. *shrug* It's another Diablo-clone, to me, with the towns and PVP being the only "MMO" side of things.

I fire it up about once a year, then within half an hour go "Oh, yeah, that's why I'm not playing this" and uninstall it again.

People obviously like it or there wouldn't be a second one. I'm just not one of the ones that do.

See my Guides and Tutorials

It's what it felt like to me. I have problems with calling it an MMO because of the exceptionally limited interaction with anyone else. Single player dungeon crawl (yes, with outside areas, I know... but D2 was fairly similar,) no real "RP" involved.... yeah, it felt like diablo (well, D2.) The "Hire teammates" bit just added to it. I could swap between it and Sacred (another of the genre) and pretty much not tell the difference outside of town.

See my Guides and Tutorials

Joe said "People like Sam"

I've played Sacred and Diablo II and Guild Wars and Guild Wars really does not play much like either of them. The similarities are at best superficial. This can be a good or bad thing depending on the person. But Torchlight is a Diablo 2 clone. Guild Wars inherited features from Diablo 2, but is very much its own thing.

There are other people like Sam?

Dear [entity of choice]!!

Yeah, I've been known to invade people's countries and stealing their nice things so I can hoard them and then not doing anything with them. In my spare time, I'm a dragon. It's why I dislike Fantasy so much. Sick and tired of "heroes" trying to kill me for my nice things.

A bit more seriously, I take very poorly to people demanding I join their "revolution" or be branded an enemy and suffer the consequences. Because, really, the people who suffer the most in these kinds of fights are the innocents who want nothing to do with the fight in the first place. Hackers hack the PSN to protest Sony's whatever, but the ones who pay the price are the regular players who had their credit card info stolen. But that's OK. These players were implicit for buying into Sony's product. "Guilt by association" is something I will never support, even when the person parading it is otherwise ostensibly right.

And I do care about the community and the game. But I'm also willing to let it go if it comes to that. Maybe I'm just heartless, maybe I'm not "devoted enough," I don't know. But the way some people are acting? No, not even City of Heroes is worth that, and quite frankly, it detracts from what the game "means" to us all to stoop to that. As my version of Commander Shepard said to Earth high command when explaining why not causing genocide to the Krogan cost them the Salarian fleet: "The price was simply too high."

As I sit here trying to support what's left of City of Heroes, I ask myself... What, exactly, is it that I'm sticking out for? An intellectual property? A business? Vengeance? And the truth is that... No. None of the above. I stand for people losing their jobs with no warning, that's something worth being upset over, but that we can't really change, not at this point. But when it comes to City of Heroes as a "thing," what is it that we're fighting for, really?

All I know is what I want out of it more than anything else. I want my imagination back. Games come and go, but City of Heroes represented an idea and an ideology. To me, the message that Paragon Studios left us with is one of creativity, one of communication, and one of chasing our dreams. Despite all the fighting and the villainy and the world-destroying, I never logged on because I wanted to kill stuff. No, I logged into City of Heroes because a group of very cool people put in their blood, sweat and tears to let me live out my dream, and then kick me on the *** and force me to think up a better dream.

City of Heroes is where dreams are born, and I feel those dreams will live on far beyond the game itself. Even if we fail to save City of Heroes - and we probably will - I want to cherish those dreams and those experiences as they were. To start insulting people and ruining business is, to me, to trample what the game meant to us. Paragon Studios left us with a legacy of creation. Just what is it that we're saving if all we care about is making NCsoft pay? That's not what City of Heroes is about.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I still have nice things, so Sam must be extremely inefficient in that regard.