JoeKent

Originally Posted by Rylas

I think there's a difference in saying you can't force NCSoft to continue the game and saying that ending service mid-payment arrangement requires a refund.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

I don't want to speak about the legality of the whole thing, but I will say this:

If a company takes a 6-month subscription from me and then shuts down the service three months later (as is my case), it owes me three months of subscription. If the company flatly refuses to do the right thing and instead gives me vouchers for its other products that I don't want, then I no longer want anything to do with the company.

I know I have a reputation as a hothead around here, but this only extends to situations where I actually care and respect the source of the argument. I'll argue and rage about City of Heroes because I love the game. But NCsoft? I find their conduct throughout all this to be repugnant. To the point, in fact, where I no longer care to be angry at them. This has gone beyond anger and into blacklisting. If that's how NCsoft treat their customer, then I will simply take my business elsewhere and never come back.

Keep my money and keep your vouchers, NC. You no longer interest me in the slightest. Welcome to the ranks of UbiSoft and EA.

Originally Posted by William_Valence

Just to reiterate. It's not about boycotting NCsoft because "They're meanies and they broke my toys!", it's about where do I, as a consumer, choose to spend my entertainment budget with confidence.

I don't trust NCsoft anymore. I don't trust their bussiness capabilities, and I don't trust that my investment in their products mean anything to them but $$. I don't think they've shown any loyalty to their players, and because of that I won't be buying from them. I mean, how do I know that the GW2 NA servers and resources won't be shut down due to shifting production support to GW2 Korea, and with my luck it'd be a day after I buy a $10 something or two off the market.

It's that simple. To me, the smartest decision an MMO consumer can make, right now, is avoid NCsoft.

Originally Posted by Zyphoid

It is also fair to note that not just CoH players are planning on Boycotting NCSoft for this move. There are posters on the WoW boards, and the D3 boards saying the same thing.

This was just flat out a crappy move, and I hate ArenaNet is caught in the crossfire between unhappy consumers, and NCSoft. That is how it works sometimes though.

Originally Posted by Zyphoid

I just would not feel comfortable giving NCSoft any of my money right now. Really, I am not sure I want to give any MMO my money right now. There just seems to be no security in anything except for WoW, and the community there really turns me off.

I personally will not support NCSoft. I don't hold it against anyone who chooses to, but I feel no need to give them smiles and thumbs up either.

Yup I dislike NCSoft right now, for a few days there I hated them. So, I guess it does annoy me when people attempt to rationalize what they did, or suggest that I should support one of their other products.

This may not be ArenaNet's fault. I actually enjoyed GW 1 for a time, but again sadly they are an NCSoft studio, NCSoft makes money off of their product, so I will not be purchasing it.

This is my first ever Boycott in 37 years. I guess I am doing it right. It has moved from anger though, and now it is just a mater of me voicing my opinion of their company by not giving them my money. It is the best I can do, but I will still support other movements like petitions and facebook pages. Maybe in year or so I will feel differently about NCSoft, but as it stands now if I play a new MMO it will be Secret World, or WoW.

I get that Joe is angry, and that is just his way of expressing it. Not my way, but on the other hand there are two or three posters that seem to want to rationalize and borderline defend NCSoft. I do not feel this is the place to do that. Emotions are high, and there is no surprise that people are lashing out.

Originally Posted by JayboH

This is actually completely correct. Punishing Arenanet for some really stupid vengeance streak to get back at NCSoft for killing CoH is pathetic. The game was in development for 5 years, and boy does it show - it is super polished for having launched a week ago.

It feels quite different from the original Guild Wars to me. The only other new game that is grabbing my attention and not letting go is Planetside 2 - but let me tell you, you have to have a beast of a machine for that game. The recommended specs (not minimum, recommended) are a quad-core processor and 8 gigs of ram. Yeah... I discuss it and show it here running on my new machine.

Originally Posted by Brillig

SW:TOR is run by EA, who cancelled Earth and Beyond.

Originally Posted by Father Xmas

But it's like boycotting Fox because they canceled Firefly or NBC because they canceled Journeyman or Warner Brother's Batman movies because of the Schumacher films. You can, it'll just be a time when you run out of places you aren't boycotting to get your gaming on.

Originally Posted by Steele_Magnolia

See my sig and join if you will. No singing Kumbaya, just fighting to keep our game.

Originally Posted by Feycat

You're not going to win by lashing out at the rest of the community, or innocent people, either.

Out of curiosity, do you have a cite for NCsoft's attention? I'd honestly love to see it.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

No, the problem is you, making a bad situation even worse on no real information and only bile to light the way. Count me out of your "revolution," firebrand.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

While I want to support Paragon Studios and City of Heroes any way I can, turning this into guerilla warfare and antagonising people helps nobody. Especially since antagonising NCsoft hurts everyone equally, considering they're the ones that need to be convinced to do something with the game - revive it, sell it off, open-source it, whatever. You CANNOT force NCsoft to do anything. End of line.

Take it from me, trying to foist an ideological struggle on people never works. Sure, you may get a few very devoted co-conspirators, but as passionate as we are about City of Heroes, you have to recognise that not as many as you think are willing to abandon all comfort and sit out in strikes all day and all night. Doing anything at all for City of Heroes isn't going to happen by force. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Feycat

No.

I'm saying that going out of your way to hurt Anet isn't going to help Paragon. And you attacking other members of this community doesn't help, either.

And that blaming Anet makes as much sense as blaming Paragon. They're both studios that published under NCSoft, with their funding.

But you have never EVER ONCE seen me defend NCsoft or say that NCsoft didn't do a terrible, stupid, awful, unwise, cruel, callous, idiotic thing.

Originally Posted by Feycat

I have not seen ANYONE defend NCSoft, NOT ONE. Please link me to ANYONE saying that it was a good thing!!!

I have seen people search for the REASONS NCSoft cut PS, because the more we know THAT, the more we can tailor our rescue efforts. If it was purely a financial move, then we have a better shot at them being willing to sell it.

But we also want to be REASONABLE about this, because getting emotional and hysterical aren't going to help ANY of us at this point. Spreading lies and rumors are only going to hurt people in the long run.

Originally Posted by Aggelakis

You never owned the game, they never said you owned the game, that was an assumption on your part. You never bought rights to play the game forever. You bought the privilege of leasing their product while it was functioning. It says in the contract (paraphrasing) they can end your participation at any time, for any reason; this includes closing the game.

Have you never participated in the end of an online game before? You're throwing a hissy fit over stupid assumptions.

Originally Posted by Zyphoid

And some people hate jerks. It is a jerk move when people are dumb enough to come to these boards and defend NCSoft for closing Paragon. There are plenty of other places to do that on the internet, here is a bad place to do so.

Originally Posted by The Grim Heaper

I'm all for refunds on unused paragon points, or subsciptions that renewed before billing was shut off, but this is crazy talk. Yes, noone wants to spend money on a ship that's going to sink, but you are no more entitles to a refund for past used money than those crazy people that wanted a refund for all the money they spent on the game when it went free to play.

NOTHING lasts forever, someday even WoW may die (although not likely from any game that claims to be a WoW killer). Your subscription payed for a month of gameplay, and before this month, each and every single month you payed for, the service was provided. You payed for CoH? you GOT CoH. you paid for GR? you GOT GR. And you've had them for years. There was no warranty or guaranty that claimed that the service would be available until the end of time.

You are not entitled to a refund on a DVD box set of a season of a TV show because the network cancelled production on any further filming of the show. If you pre-ordered the next season that will never be delivered, sure, you get a refund on THAT. You are however entitled to be upset with the network, and let your voice be head that you, and many others would happily keep watching the show and buying the DVDs if they would just greenlight its continuation. Beyond that, the best you can do is look back fondly on what was.

Originally Posted by Zyphoid

If I had a tinfoil hat I would say some of these people work for NCSoft. There is no intelligent reason to defend this action to a bunch of people that are loyal fans of a game being shut down. Bottom line, defending the closing of CoH on the COH boards only makes you look like a jerk or a corporate lackey, perhaps even both. I know the internet lacks some common sense, but it would be awesome if it didn't appear to be totally dead.

Originally Posted by StrykerX

The way I look at it NCSoft proved themselves to be:

A) heartless bastards

and

B) idiots

and as such I have little desire to support them in the future. Shutting down an entire studio with one day's notice? That is, quite frankly, inexcusable. It may well be common practice in large corporations, but if a lot of other heartless bastards do the same thing it does not make it any more acceptable. And shutting down a studio that was still making money was, quite bluntly, stupid in the extreme. Yes, NCSoft lost money last quarter. Boo hoo. They had a ton of one-off expenses and any sane company would simply accept the losses and wait for the investments to pay off. Instead, NCSoft apparently chose to look like they were "doing something" just to pacify investors, but any corporation that prioritizes quarterly (or annual) reports over long term profitability is stupid beyond belief. All too many of them do exactly that, but the fact is that it hurts them in the long term... and often the executives don't care, because they consider looking good and getting their fat bonuses more important than actually making the company stronger.

So bottom line... NCSoft acted like a typical greedy, stupid corporation and made a knee-jerk reaction to try to spin a bad quarterly report. Are they any worse than many other corporations? Nope... plenty of them do the same things. Except that this particular stupid knee-jerk reaction killed my favorite MMO, so I'm mad. And because I'm mad, I'm going to do my small part to screw over the corporation that pissed me off... meaning that I won't be buying any future NCSoft products and I'll be bad-mouthing them to my friends and anyone else who will listen. Not because it's the right thing to do or from some moral high ground, but because I'm mad and want payback. It's just that simple.

Originally Posted by Feycat

I love COH - and in fact, loved it for two years longer than you, sir. I was here when I1 hit.

I mourn its passing and am actively trying to save it.

I love GW2 and I'm playing it.

You go ahead and don't play GW2. I'm glad to not have you there.

Originally Posted by Brillig

The more people like this I see, the more I'm tempted to buy GW2.

Multiple copies.

Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU

No offense, but if you are going to take that point of view, then Paragon Studios should have done something similar when Auto Assault and TR were closed down

So, why dont you blame Paragon Studio's for not getting away from NCsoft a few years ago...

See, although you are blaming Arena.net for sleeping with the enemy, you ahve to remember that Paragon Studio's slept with the enemy whilst 2 other MMO's were closed down.