I don't feel VIP at all
If we didn't have to pay for any of the new powersets, then, most likely, we wouldn't be getting them at the rate we are.
By definition, things we don't get with our subscription are things that the devs (and or the marketing team) expect to be underwritten, at least partially, by direct purchases. Said more plainly, they can staff up or make other investments that allow them produce more stuff more quickly because we (or some of us) are paying extra to get it, over and above our monthly subscription fee. So if there was no extra money in it for them (by virtue of including all of it in our base subscription), then they wouldn't have that extra income to staff up or invest in better tools, etc., and they couldn't pump out new stuff as often. If they were not pumping stuff, such as new powersets, out at a rate higher than we saw before the model change, I think you'd have a fair point. But they are producing new things faster, while still giving VIPs "free" powersets at what looks to me like a higher rate than before. |
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Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
The scary thing is one them will inevitably read that post, scratch their chin and say: "You say this like it would be a bad thing. I don't see the problem. This is how it actually SHOULD BE!!!" and never realize the ramifications of actually going through with that idea.
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EDIT: I'm 110% fine with some sets being pay since it you know .. . allows the devs to create more sets for us FASTER.
And technically speaking if you SAVE your points and don't spend like a drunken sailor, you can get EVERY set for free. I have paid for ONE set since COH Freedom launched. Every thing else has been by points.
Now if one has the attention span of a gerbil in a spinning wheel or the patience of a terrible twos toddler . . . good luck to you.
EDIT2: And the majority of people posting in this thread have posted that they feel VERY VIP and like the direction the devs are going in. I don't think a course correction that pisses off the majority of their players would be the way to go.
The devs need to make money. *SHOCK*
New powers, zone revamps, etc just don't magically appear out of the hands of the developer fairy.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Now if one has the attention span of a gerbil in a spinning wheel or the patience of a terrible twos toddler . . . good luck to you.
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Now, just complaining that it's not handed over because one does not have the points is ridiculous.
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There's nothing wrong with wanting a new powerset as soon as it's released, or wanting to get other things with points which necessitate buying more than the stipend provides. That's what I do.
Now, just complaining that it's not handed over because one does not have the points is ridiculous. |
So for me it make the complaining even sillier.
As you can tell I have a low tolerance for that sort of thing.
I'll just bow out here as I've made my points. I agree with your overall idea though.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
That's how anyone who complains about which power sets are free which aren't wants it to be. Unfortunately they can't all agree on what should be free and what should be pay so they decide ALL of them should be free or at the very least all of them should be included in VIP.
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Then VIPs will be able to afford all the powersets they want, yet VIP status will be more appealing. Right now the situation is very stacked *against* VIPs. Premium players have it much, much better and that's not the way it should be.
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Then VIPs will be able to afford all the powersets they want, yet VIP status will be more appealing. Right now the situation is very stacked *against* VIPs. Premium players have it much, much better and that's not the way it should be.
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Have you actually played as Premium? Have you actually played as premium on a non-t9 account?
Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Yes, but the devs give us PLENTY of lead time before a new pay for set arrives. In that time you could have save a long ways towards that.
So for me it make the complaining even sillier. As you can tell I have a low tolerance for that sort of thing. I'll just bow out here as I've made my points. I agree with your overall idea though. |
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How about making *none* of the new powersets free, but increasing the VIP stipend so that they get as many points as Premium players do for the same amount of money?
Then VIPs will be able to afford all the powersets they want, yet VIP status will be more appealing. Right now the situation is very stacked *against* VIPs. Premium players have it much, much better and that's not the way it should be. |
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Hmm, I seem to suddenly have developed an urge to listen to Queen after reading yet another thread on this topic. I wonder why. :P
Though in all seriousness I'm kind of wondering what folks who are dead set against having to pay Paragon Points for powersets in order to fund further powerset development would have in their place.
I'd imagine that the new powersets are the best-selling category of sales on the Paragon Market. So if a magic wand was waved and suddenly all VIP's got all the powersets for free forevers, what would be a worthwhile addition or alteration to the game to take their place?
The other big ticket item, I imagine, would be the costume sets. So if said magic wand was waved and VIP's got to dance around in a land of milk, honey, Excel spreadsheets, and particle effects, where would it end?
After all if you get all the power sets for free as a VIP, then why shouldn't you get all the costume sets for free?
It's kind of an "If you give a mouse a cookie scenario."
I don't really see how Paragon could actually handle a mix of subscription and a la carte systems any better than they already have, with the monthly stipend of Paragon Points to active subscribers.
I buy my game time in 14 month chunks, and can usually get a free month or two from bringing former VIP's back every time an issue rolls around.
So I end up paying less than $3.70 a month for my subscription when you take into account the fact that I get $6.30 worth of power points for free every month. Because I'm tier 9, which I bought myself up to the day the option became available with about $100.
I sure as hell feel like I'm getting my $3.70 a month worth.
And on top of my stipend it seems like at the rate I purchase stuff from the market that I'll be dropping $100 to buy more paragon points every September.
Dividing that by 12 months and adding that to the monthly cost, when you take the 550 points of store credit every month, I end up paying $11 a month over the span of the entire year for City of Heroes.
That's the rate you get if you buy a plain ol year in advance, rather than snag the bonus plan every time it rolls around. Which was exactly what I was paying before Freedom dropped.
So I'm getting more costumes, more powersets, more bug fixes, some of the best story content in the game, regular issues of massive size, addressing of long standing quality of life issues, and in general ending up with a better game the further time goes on.
I don't buy stuff just for my own entertainment. I'm of the mind that I'm going to reward a company that produces a product I like with my patronage.
I like the direction the game has taken under the Paragon Studios banner. I do what I can to help my fellow players and the community. Because this is the only MMO I've tried that's worth paying to play.
With all the negative emotion I see in these threads, I wonder why folks are still hanging around if they feel so slighted about ending up getting more for their money now than at any other point in the history of the game.
Stop paying if the course the game has taken upsets you. Go play something else. If/when CoH piques your interest again you can take things up right where you left off. Heck, you can even stop giving Paragon your monies every month and you can still keep playing the game.
I'm a great big fat guy. I've been told I eat approximately the same portions as your average family of four. If you want to sit in the corner and munch on sour grapes, that's your prerogative. I'll be over here coming back for thirds and fourths at the buffet that keeps getting bigger and better every month. If you want to just order off the menu fine, do that if it makes sense for you.
Just don't get crabby because you decided to pay for the buffet and all you're doing is nibbling on those grapes and appearing generally unpleasant.
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .
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I consider being able to maintain my base's upkeep as more than a "minor perk" - and this is VIP only
I consider incarnate advancement/content more than a "minor perk" - and this is VIP only I consider the incredible number of character slots I get as a VIP as more than a "minor perk" - I suppose spending an extraordinary number of points can buy this I consider the server transfer tokens (even if I use them just to get a bootleg name change >_>) more than a "minor perk" - you can spend points to buy this as needed. I consider access to the beta server a minor perk but a really nice one - and this is VIP only I consider full forum access a minor perk - and this is VIP only |
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
How about making *none* of the new powersets free, but increasing the VIP stipend so that they get as many points as Premium players do for the same amount of money?
Then VIPs will be able to afford all the powersets they want, yet VIP status will be more appealing. Right now the situation is very stacked *against* VIPs. Premium players have it much, much better and that's not the way it should be. |
I suggest you fire up a new Free to Play account and see exactly how much you're missing.
Being Tier 9 is fantastic, and it's very nice that Paragon rewarded long time subscribers with so many perks, but even so there are enough benefits to being VIP that I'll be maintaining my sub. It is important to remember that the majority of 'free' players won't be enjoying the benefits of T9.
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I, myself, don't feel like a VIP, but for entirely different reasons. It comes down to what I think a "Very Important Person" constitutes. First of all, regular businesses don't just hand that status out. You don't become a VIP at a Las Vegas casino by paying for a hotel suite, for instance. You become a VIP by being a high-roller who spends a lot of money at the casino until it adds up. That, to me, is what the VIP status should signify - people who are willing and able to pay more, hence why they're given a status all of their own.
To me, making VIP the "budget" option is a mistake, and has been a mistake since inception. To me, VIP should be the "expensive" option which allows us to pay our way out of insultingly annoying marketing gimmicks. Want to buy the Elemental Order costume set but don't want to deal with make-pretend gambling? Great! You're a VIP, so you get to buy straight from the source while non-VIPs wait in queue for a raffle ticket. Oh, just keep in mind that those costume pieces become unavailable if your VIP subscription drops. If you want them as a Premium customer, you have to buy the raffle ticket, like like everybody else. Say you want to buy the Halloween costume set, but it's not Halloween. Great! You're a VIP, so you can. Just keep in mind those will become unavailable if your subscription drops. Want to use them as a Premium customer? That's fine. Wait for Halloween, then.
To me, VIP should entail a greater degree of service and a smaller degree of pain-in-the-*** for a higher cost. VIPs SHOULD pay for costume sets and power sets and so forth, because we committed to paying for the game, rather than playing it a la carte.
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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The scary thing is one them will inevitably read that post, scratch their chin and say: "You say this like it would be a bad thing. I don't see the problem. This is how it actually SHOULD BE!!!" and never realize the ramifications of actually going through with that idea.
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It certainly wouldn't cost them any money - we're vip, after all - they give us those points for "free", remember?
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But it's okay....because they'd be free.
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Personally, I'm the reverse. I kind of prefer the sets I want to be the paid ones and the sets I don't want to be the free ones. Maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems like paid sets just have more elaborate artwork and animations involved with them, and I'd rather this happened with sets I can actually use.
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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That's easy!
First take a look at the powersets... is there one or more you really want? Those go in the "free" pile! Then look at the rest... meh those can go in the "pay" pile. That's how anyone who complains about which power sets are free which aren't wants it to be. Unfortunately they can't all agree on what should be free and what should be pay so they decide ALL of them should be free or at the very least all of them should be included in VIP. |
Personally I'd go by the one that we'd need for filling a Theme/theme character where either part is part of the standard game, the other should be included for VIP.
For years subscribers have been able to roll Plant/ characters but they haven't really had a second part to that equation, so in this case I'd say Nature should be alllowed since it woud finally fill in the Plant/Plant for controll characters.
Water blast, well we've never had a water manipulation set to go with it so, Water blast is fine as an additional cost.
Titan weapons? Sure.
Street justice? Well the concepts could be filled with the Martial Arts set so, again fine.
But when they are plugging pre-exhisting holes, it shouldn't be at an additional price point to VIPs.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
I don't feel like a VIP either. Wonder why...
I'm beginning to think this problem is mostly being caused by the name (which I find a little dumb). Would there be all this kerfuffle if it were just called "Full"?
Dec out.
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