I don't feel VIP at all
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Posted on: 2012-08-22 15:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Nope. I think the default is $200, but you can raise it to $400 or lower it to the minimum $15. to pay for your sub.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Doesn't the monthly spending limit cap at $200? Or is that per card, so you could still spend the full $900 all at once by cycling multiple CCs?
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Hybrid models are the future of MMOs - new games will launch with hybrid models right from the start, and even WoW will make the switch.
And no matter what type of VIP option they all offer, there'll always be some weeping over its worth.
@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
You've concocted a world where Paragon Studios is torturing the VIP players, tricking them into paying the monthly fee, while only giving them junk, and you're the only one who's realized their evil schemes.
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VIP Player: No! Please . . . I can't take take any more!
Zwill: Mwahahaha!
Posi: Give her another Free Transfer Token!
VIP Player: Aaargh! The perks! It's too much!
Black Pebble: Add some more free power sets!
Dink: And some more costume sets!
VIP Player: Please stop!
Freitag: Add some more Incarnate content!
VIP Player: Nooooo! Please let me give you more money!
Zwill: Never! We will teach you to love our VIP perks!
VIP Player: <sobbing>
All the devs: Muwahahahahahaha!
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This causes me concern. If I am VIP and have access to all of this but people I pick up for a pick up team do not, they can't do the content with me? That right there sucks, especially when they don't give you a warning of such when you go to the zones (or did I miss one?)
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
4) Mission options like First Ward/Night Ward/Praetoria unless you SPEND POINTS/MONEY to unlock them without VIP. That can be significant to some folks (like me).
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I would say that a F2P option of some sort is the future for most MMOs rather than a Hybrid option specifically. Personally I like the Hybrid model and I think it is a good option for a lot of MMOs but conversely there are going to be games where it doesn't make sense.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Hybrid models are the future of MMOs - new games will launch with hybrid models right from the start, and even WoW will make the switch.
And no matter what type of VIP option they all offer, there'll always be some weeping over its worth. |
A good example would be any game where the primary focus is on PvP. For those a subscription offering is going to be VERY hard to balance and a straight up free to play with cash shop starts making a lot more sense. Now it's not impossible, there is a PvP focused game which offers a subscription option as a part of it's Agenda but the game also has a very strong PvE component and the subscription mostly increases the rewards from that.
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I could understand if the weeping made sense. In this case it falls far far short of that IMHO.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Hybrid models are the future of MMOs - new games will launch with hybrid models right from the start, and even WoW will make the switch.
And no matter what type of VIP option they all offer, there'll always be some weeping over its worth. |
And BTW, you were right again about the BETA patch and power pool customization.
In view of your obvious soothsaying abilities, would you like an all expense paid trip to Las Vegas so that I can make some money off your talents in the casinos?
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Was I? It looked like it was mostly enhancement stat changes |
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
And BTW, you were right again about the BETA patch and power pool customization.
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@Golden Girl
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Well, I spoke up on a thread that someone else started about how they do not feel VIPs are getting a good deal. I'm willing to believe that only a small minority of players feel as I do. But I know I'm not completely alone.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Just because he personnaly doesn't like something he assumes he speaks for everyone with his tirade
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Try to keep up, Nethergoat. For the same amount of money, Premium players get 13560 points compared to VIPs 6600 points per year. Premium effectively pays 50% of what VIPs do for things available on the store.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Not having to spend points on this stuff means you can blow them all on goodies- power sets, costume bundles, etc.
Point cost is the same for everyone- your "non VIPs getting stuff cheaper" is unsupported by the reality of the game. |
What balances VIP is the stuff that isn't available on the store -- incarnates, bases, some other things I don't use and have forgotten. But if the VIP is not interested in that free stuff, they are getting screwed compared to Premium players. We've already established that earlier in the thread.
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...then they're playing the wrong game |
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
What balances VIP is the stuff that isn't available on the store -- incarnates, bases, some other things I don't use and have forgotten. But if the VIP is not interested in that free stuff
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@Golden Girl
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No.|
Originally Posted by BrainBrillo
And even in this case, your argument boils down to "I've discovered I can get everything I want from this game, in perpetuity, for less money. How DARE they!"
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My argument is, "I used to love this game, and I subscribed for seven years because of it. I want to continue subscribing, but I feel I am no longer getting my money's worth. Please make the game better, or at least give me the same rewards as those players who have not been so loyal."
This is my semi-annual rant in an attempt to change the direction the game is taking. That's all. I want to help them improve, so I'm giving feedback about how I feel I'm being treated as a subscriber.
I have no indication that anyone listens, but a man's gotta try. Especially when I've sunk my heart into a game for so long -- it would be wrong to walk away without at least trying to explain why and under what conditions I would have stayed.
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To be honest I am unsure how this works. It is quite possible a premium could join a VIP in their missions in those paid for zones but not be able to start those story arcs themselves. It is also possible they couldn't enter the mission due to their status. That might be something you'll want to post in the "Player Questions" forum.|
Originally Posted by Adelie
This causes me concern. If I am VIP and have access to all of this but people I pick up for a pick up team do not, they can't do the content with me? That right there sucks, especially when they don't give you a warning of such when you go to the zones (or did I miss one?)
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It's certainly a good question but not relevant to the topic at hand.
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You also missed the 60,000 points that it would take to buy the slots VIPs get. Sorry, but VIPs are only getting 'screwed' if they're not interested in any of the huge number of perks they get. You're basically arguing that a person that wins the lottery gets screwed because 'they have to pay all those extra taxes', as compared to the person that bought the ticket and lost. Well, yeah, if you don't give a damn about the prize money, and your only concern is paying taxes... but it's pretty asinine to make such a claim with a straight face, and yet you continue to make that argument.|
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
Try to keep up, Nethergoat. For the same amount of money, Premium players get 13560 points compared to VIPs 6600 points per year. Premium effectively pays 50% of what VIPs do for things available on the store.
What balances VIP is the stuff that isn't available on the store -- incarnates, bases, some other things I don't use and have forgotten. But if the VIP is not interested in that free stuff, they are getting screwed compared to Premium players. We've already established that earlier in the thread. |
'VIP sucks if you're not interested in any of the things VIPs get for free
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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You're getting more content at a consistent rate for your monthly sub then at any iother time in the history of the game.|
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
My argument is, "I used to love this game, and I subscribed for seven years because of it. I want to continue subscribing, but I feel I am no longer getting my money's worth.
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| Please make the game better, or at least give me the same rewards as those players who have not been so loyal." |
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| This is my semi-annual rant in an attempt to change the direction the game is taking. |
@Golden Girl
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And give up all the stuff he's ignoring and dismissing as not worth the price of his subscription? |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The game is better than ever now - but if you really want to get the same reward levels as a premium, you can just cancel your sub and drop down to a lower reward level.
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how precisely are we 'force fed' anything? Yes the stuff is added to the game without our consent (not that they'd need it?) but no one is bending your arm to play that content. And it's all free with the subscription, hell, some of it is free -without- it. So this complaint honestly befuddles me.
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Yes, you were, don't act surprised. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Was I? It looked like it was mostly enhancement stat changes
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How about that Vegas soothsaying trip? I'll cut you in on the action I promise.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I don't get how in one breath you say you aren't getting your money's worth and in the other you say you get more as a premium than as a VIP. Maybe since you've been here so long and have tier 9 perks premium IS better... for YOU. |
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
No.
My argument is, "I used to love this game, and I subscribed for seven years because of it. I want to continue subscribing, but I feel I am no longer getting my money's worth. Please make the game better, or at least give me the same rewards as those players who have not been so loyal." This is my semi-annual rant in an attempt to change the direction the game is taking. That's all. I want to help them improve, so I'm giving feedback about how I feel I'm being treated as a subscriber. I have no indication that anyone listens, but a man's gotta try. Especially when I've sunk my heart into a game for so long -- it would be wrong to walk away without at least trying to explain why and under what conditions I would have stayed. |
If you don't mind buying 100 bucks in points every few months instead of paying the sub and don't mind using those points to unlock everything included with VIP that you can that is relevant to you, and you think that you'll get more that way... why not just do that? Why should VIP be changed because you don't value what's included in it? If you can get everything you want as a premium, what's the problem?
VIP is not lacking. VIP just isn't giving you things you want. But COH has the premium option that DOES give you what you want. So again I say, what's the problem? Go premium. It suits your desires and perception of value. You're like a monkey with it's hand stuck in a jar screaming your hand is trapped by a fistful of cookies! Cookies you don't even like! Just let go of those cookies you weren't going to eat anyways and your hand will be free from the jar.
For me, as a tier 9 vet, if I dropped to premium I'd have to spend around 200 bucks in points to unlock everything I'd lose as a VIP that matters to me. And even after that investment I'd still lose things * I * value such as: incarnate content, being able to keep my base functional, beta server access. I'd have to buy any new powersets that VIP's get included in their sub in the future and pay for server transfers/name changes I may want. For ME its not worth it to drop to premium because I value the things that come with VIP. If you don't value those things then you have the option of dropping to premium.
The fact that you are complaining that you HAVE this option baffles me. And how you come to the conclusion that VIP's are somehow disenfranchised compared to premiums just makes NO SENSE AT ALL. Premiums have only the very basics to start with and have to PAY for everything piecemeal. Only with a huge financial investment will a new premie get to tier 9 and the devfs are FINE with that. cause it's cash coming in even without a sub. That's the POINT of the Freedom model. To get income from non-subscribers.
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You should check the patch notes |
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Yes, you were, don't act surprised.
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@Golden Girl
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Maybe you aren't looking at it from the right perspective. Try this.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
how precisely are we 'force fed' anything? Yes the stuff is added to the game without our consent (not that they'd need it?) but no one is bending your arm to play that content. And it's all free with the subscription, hell, some of it is free -without- it. So this complaint honestly befuddles me.
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Does that help at all?
The VIP perks are definitely worth it to me.
I like having 36 slots on my main server, and will upgrade to 48 when I use those up.
I like having 12 slots on each of the other servers.
I like incarnate content and incarnate powers.
I enjoy playing the SSAs. The story quality is unfortunately variable, but the actual missions tend to be fairly fun.
I appreciate getting some of the new powersets as part of my VIP package.
I love the tier 9 costume rewards.
But then, I am both a "VIP" and someone who buys additional points with money. I have unlocked every costume set and every powerset I could buy.
Truth? I haven't had more fun playing City of Heroes in a long time. I love the state of the game, and I hope they continue on the path they're taking.
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You posted that before the patch notes were published Golden Girl. No need to hide everyone knows you get inside info, no worries. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You should check the patch notes
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
So just for kicks I made a f2p account to see how much "better" it was.
I couldn't send tells, didn't have Controllers, Masterminds or a bunch of other powersets. I couldn't join SSAs or even use Broadcast chat. No inventions either. So I spent five dollars and got tells and trades.
Then I logged in to my eight-year account and I had...EVERYTHING. Now, not all players will have eight years, but even if you had lapsed after four or five years you would still have a fair amount of gear available.
And getting stuff shoved down my throat? We're verging on slap in the face territory here. I don't often ROFL on the forums, but that's a BIG ROFL.
I have done one of the heroside SSA 2. I ocasionally do the new story arcs they launch. I mostly just use IOs for pvp and pve...and Incarnates. Oh, I get 550 points a month, which is nice. Right now I have two reward tokens unspent and 1257 points sitting there unused. I got Nature Affinity on my secondary account but...I haven't used the Tier 9 power yet and I have been exemplared for task forces but it doesn't play well at levels 20 or below. I may well be a powerhouse at level 50, but this looks like a skip for the main account.
I certainly would never go back to a free account. It's too limiting and I can affored the 30$ per month...plus a 15$ more every now and then. And I *do* use server transfers when PvP league form or when I need ot move an alt to show a friend new stuff/costumes/incarnates, as I did with Samuel_Tow who wanted to see the various Judgment powers.
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You may not like the SSAs, but I loved playing through them on my Villains (not gotten around to doing them on my new heroes yet). I've enjoyed the iTrials I've done (I had done LAM and BAF before, last night I did TPN and failed a DD for the first times, both of which were extremely fun). I've enjoyed the little of DA I've gotten through (from the bits and pieces I've read on the forums, I'm sure I'll like the rest). I enjoyed going through First Ward. I enjoyed going through Night Ward (even when I was being mauled repeatedly by Animus Arcana).
There's still quite a lot of post-Freedom content I've yet to do, which I'm still looking forward to. Just because you don't enjoy anything done post-Freedom, doesn't mean everyone doesn't enjoy it.
But, you're not going to listen. You've already repeatedly demonstrated such. You've concocted a world where Paragon Studios is torturing the VIP players, tricking them into paying the monthly fee, while only giving them junk, and you're the only one who's realized their evil schemes. That world is much preferably to you, it would appear, than simply saying to yourself that you made a bad decision for yourself.
Being VIP is a far, far, far better deal for myself than trying to be Premium and buying all the stuff I'd want (and simply ignoring the stuff I can't buy, such as Night Ward and the Incarnate System)... and I'm a Tier 9 VIP, so I'm in the best position to go Premium.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.