Martial Combat and Martial Assault


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I could've sworn that the recharge mentioned on that was 480 or 600 seconds.
Wow thats... way too long.


 

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Woah that IS long.
The self damage was listed on the power info screen, in Jay's video. The power sounds really interesting, but not sure what the 'can use it three times in 10 seconds after activation' means..
I do like they are trying new things still..especially with the aim/bu-y powers. Hopefully they will turn out good.


Oh..just noticed teh comment about teh self damage going. Glad to hear it..how they thought that was a good idea for a blaster..


 

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Woah that IS long.
The self damage was listed on the power info screen, in Jay's video. The power sounds really interesting, but not sure what the 'can use it three times in 10 seconds after activation' means..
I think it means that you can't use the ports more than ten seconds between each other. So you can't use one. Wait a minute then use the other two.


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The power sounds really interesting, but not sure what the 'can use it three times in 10 seconds after activation' means..
Burst of speed can be used up to three times in a row before it has to recharge itself. I believe from the moment you make the first jump you have ten seconds to make the remaining two jumps. When you execute jump #3 the power starts recharging. Ten seconds after the first jump regardless of how many jumps you've made the power starts recharging (and you can't make any more jumps until it does).

The intent of the power is to be able to simulate moving blindingly fast and hitting the targets around you. So you can Burst into a spawn (which deals some AoE damage), hit the spawn with Nova, burst jump into melee range of a surviving boss, hit the boss with Eagle's Claw, and then Burst jump completely away leaving any remaining alive targets behind. Then the power starts recharging and you can't do another burst chain until then.

You don't have to use all three jumps. You could jump into a spawn, use Dragon's tail, use Nova, jump out to another spawn, and continue attacking. If you don't use the third jump, ten seconds after the first jump that Burst of Speed will expire, and start recharging.


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Could you, say, Burst three times in the same spot rapidly? For maximum AoE carnage.


 

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Oh, thanks Arcana. That makes more sense. Sounds like a really neat idea. Kinda wish Spring Attack let you do 2 more lil bounces too.


 

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Could you, say, Burst three times in the same spot rapidly? For maximum AoE carnage.
Likely, DPS wise it wouldn't make sense. I also didn't see any targets falling down in the video. I could see Burst, fireball/ball lightning/Dragon's Tail/etc., then maybe burst again, then burst out of the mob.

My issue is I often have trouble placing the teleport marker on some maps/tilesets. I can imagine Burst being useless inside some maps. Throw 20 Warworks at me and see if I can find the ground to teleport for a beta test!


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Good stuff! I can't want to make a Fire Control / Martial Assault Dominator!

Also, Zwillinger is just like me! I also prefer Controllers and Brutes!


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With you there Rejolt. I get the same thing sometimes using drop powers like tarpatch, with the cursor sort of sticking, and not being where I want it.


 

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Could you, say, Burst three times in the same spot rapidly? For maximum AoE carnage.
That's often how I use Spring Attack actually: just jump in place and you have a good AoE. The teleportation in Spring Attack is gravy for when repositioning yourself would hit more targets. For blasters, we'll have the option to jump into combat, jump out of combat, jump in place, jump between targets, or jump to optimize AoE. And we have three jumps to play around with.


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Likely, DPS wise it wouldn't make sense. I also didn't see any targets falling down in the video. I could see Burst, fireball/ball lightning/Dragon's Tail/etc., then maybe burst again, then burst out of the mob.

My issue is I often have trouble placing the teleport marker on some maps/tilesets. I can imagine Burst being useless inside some maps. Throw 20 Warworks at me and see if I can find the ground to teleport for a beta test!
It often helps if in those situations you temporarily move your camera angle pointing generally downward at the ground. I've so far never failed to easily spring attack when my aiming point is firing towards the ground rather than sideways alongside the ground.


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...Man, my first character was a DP/Dev. :< Now I'll have to either Reroll him or make a second version of him!


 

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...Man, my first character was a DP/Dev. :< Now I'll have to either Reroll him or make a second version of him!
Make it him from another demonsion. Praeotoria or somewhere else. Thats what I do when I don't wanna reroll.


 

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I was actually more shocked that Synapse goes for the melee toons more than the new powersets...

Well at least Hawk plays what I normally play.


In all seriousness though I admit I didn't care one bit about blasters getting a melee set...I didn't even care much for Doms getting it either but after watching this weeks coffee talk...wow.

I'm impressed...and I want to roll a new blaster more than a dom...this is a first for me!

Burst of Speed won me over for sure.



 

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Wowzer... I can't decide if I'll be making a new character or rerolling an existing character for this.


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I kinda want the new Throw Shurikens animation for Martial Assault as an alternative animation for regular old Shurikens on Scrappers and stuff. Something better than the regular old Razor Frisbee.

But damnit, you guys are going to make me play Blasters! D:


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Ooh, that new take on Build Up sounds like it's going to be completely gimp for earning that new shiny insta-snipe/BU and drop your big nuke for maximum affect gameplay. Devices is reviled for swapping BU with an inferior (but always on) Targeting Drone (which is getting an upgrade by being the easiest to perma the instasnipe) but a build up that is just randomly procced off of attacks is worse than Targeting Drone...

It sounds like it would a fun fit on a scrapping melee AT, though. Could ALL Scraps/Stalks get a VEAT Night Widow type option where they could choose EITHER Build Up or Reach for the Limit? Maybe tag it onto Tanker's punchvoke Gauntlet as a gimmie to the poor old facetank meatshield AT that's so eclipsed by the equal tanking yet much higher damage output of enraged Brutes.

Blaster secondaries are all filled with melee blapper moves, except Devices. Not surprised at all it's filled with melee moves.


 

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I never thought I'd say this, but I'll be rolling a blaster when this comes out.

I'm thinking a Kikaida-style character who uses his secondary in street clothes until he's mezzed, then triggers the Mez Break power coupled with a costume change - and WHAM, Blaster Primary, elemental themed goodness.

There's a lot of Henshin characters on Virtue that you can expect to do something similar, and probably a superteam of every Blaster primary/Martial Combat secondary waiting to happen.


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Burst of Speed looks like the kind of power I've been dreaming of for quite a while. Ki Push is interesting, though the repel seems a bit long. (I'd probably prefer a 1 second Repel and a higher mag knockback.) Inner Will appears quite handy. Overall, the Blaster set looks more interesting to me than the Dom set. I could really see Burst of Speed meshing well with some Dom primaries; it's a shame they won't get it.


 

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I never thought I'd say this, but I'll be rolling a blaster when this comes out.

I'm thinking a Kikaida-style character who uses his secondary in street clothes until he's mezzed, then triggers the Mez Break power coupled with a costume change - and WHAM, Blaster Primary, elemental themed goodness.

There's a lot of Henshin characters on Virtue that you can expect to do something similar, and probably a superteam of every Blaster primary/Martial Combat secondary waiting to happen.
My current Henshin Hero blaster does that with the fighting pool.
edit: he's not getting re-rolled but massively respecced in i24


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Burst of Speed looks like the kind of power I've been dreaming of for quite a while. Ki Push is interesting, though the repel seems a bit long. (I'd probably prefer a 1 second Repel and a higher mag knockback.) Inner Will appears quite handy. Overall, the Blaster set looks more interesting to me than the Dom set. I could really see Burst of Speed meshing well with some Dom primaries; it's a shame they won't get it.
I like Ki Push as is. The longer it is the more mitigation you get.


 

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The Ki Push was pretty funny, but the mobs in the video were completely passive. They might be able to shoot at your face while they hang floating in the air if they're actually in combat and the mitigation is only when they finish falling on their butts and gotta get up. If they're not able to respond during that whole slow-mo repel that'd be pretty awesome mitigation, though, so much better than junk like the negligible -recharge sticky grenade/entanglement arrow or the rings of immobilization.


 

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I don't think so, the mitigation seems to be for the entire duration, as Arbiter Hawk said that it provided more mitigation than a normal knockback power due to it keeping them idle longer.


 

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Rather excited about this. When Dual Pistols originally came out I got the idea for a character who steals experimental technology which allows her to break the physics of time, based on the sort of (extremely) unrealistic animations dual pistols has. I had originally paired her up with Kinetics from the Corruptor secondary, but many of the powers felt off from the concept. Martial Combat, however, looks to be exactly what I had in mind for a sort of techno-gun-fu-thief-master.

For dominators I'm thinking some kind of psychic martial artist. Not entirely sure yet. I love Dominators though, so any time they get something I'm willing to MAKE a concept to use it.


EDIT: I got to thinking of a sort of Ryu themed character who uses Energy/Martial. Burst of Speed paired with knock back sounds like a ridiculously fun way to control combat. Send a wave of energy to knock them all down, teleport in behind them and throw them forward again, and then end it with a nuke in their face. Fun times, to be sure.