Martial Combat and Martial Assault
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Posted on: 2012-08-01 11:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Last I checked blasters use melee attacks.
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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
It's a blaster power set. Are you high?
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Why is that sad? And I don't recall anyone saying the effect would be permanently limited to Martial Combat.
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Originally Posted by Redlynne
What's really sad is that I look at Ki Push (which is beautiful) and immediately wonder if a 1 second Repel effect could be ported into Focused Burst for the Kinetic Melee powersets. It's just one of those things where it's such a good idea (and clever implementation) that it really ought to not be limited to just Martial Combat.
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Blaster secondaries are a mixed bag of melee attacks, the occasional ranged attack, and self buff support powers. Even for actual melee offensive sets KB is not universally considered inappropriate, but blaster secondaries are not "melee-based" sets in any case. Ki Push is similar to Power Thrust, another KB power in a blaster secondary. And I assure you its appropriate to be there.|
Originally Posted by ChaosAngelGeno
Last I checked blasters use melee attacks.
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I will say that I believe -Range should be moved from Eagle's Claw to Ki Push. It makes more sense for the KB power to get the -range due to the obvious synergy. Delivering -range with EC only synergizes with Burst of Speed.
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Earth Control + Martial Assault == Earth Bender|
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
This, really. Martial Assault just doesn't have a proper primary to pair up with. Mind Control probably would be the best bet.
EDIT: Ninjitsu Control would be epic. |
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There are lots of great uses for Martial Assault. Just none of them match up with the particular concept I had in mind.
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I dont quite understand this either. It like another throw in for Dominators. There is no primary that matches thematically with the secondary and the reality is there probably never will be because I dont believe the dev team sees Dominators as a class that demands new primaries. Dominators basically get the left overs and ports from other sets and while this does work and I have quite a few Doms that I enjoy immensely, the fact that there is no natural or gadget Primary to team with this ( which many Dom players have been asking for) leaves me very sad and somewhat nonplussed.
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Originally Posted by Zandock
There are lots of great uses for Martial Assault. Just none of them match up with the particular concept I had in mind.
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The Dom primary is shared with controllers, and really no control sets are obviously 'natural.' All of them are elemental.
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
I dont quite understand this either. It like another throw in for Dominators. There is no primary that matches thematically with the secondary and the reality is there probably never will be because I dont believe the dev team sees Dominators as a class that demands new primaries. Dominators basically get the left overs and ports from other sets and while this does work and I have quite a few Doms that I enjoy immensely, the fact that there is no natural or gadget Primary to team with this ( which many Dom players have been asking for) leaves me very sad and somewhat nonplussed.
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Some form of Gadget Control for Doms/Controllers, port traps to Trollers, done.
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well...I think some of the bigger wakies leave you some endurence, so maybe it could work for those
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Originally Posted by Mad Grim
It probably costs endurance to use, so no.
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Like others said, now i hope melee sets will get a little blaster love
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They both look pretty cool. Assault looks a bit... Shuriken-heavy, but it's not bad. And put me down as another person who thinks Ki Push looks interesting in concept, but a little bit too over-the-top for a "natural" set. (It's the slow-mo repel that gets me.)
Also I really hope we get a pool-power (or even Incarnate) version of Burst of Speed. (I think I might prefer an Incarnate version so I didn't have to use pool picks on it.)
Also! I'll echo one of the questions asked during the live stream and request the alternate Storm Kick animation be ported to Martial Arts, if possible. Would be really nice to have it. (Wouldn't mind it being used for Street Justice, too, as someone above posted.)
And icing on the cake? Free for VIPs. <3 devs.
I said a while ago that I was waiting for I24 overview to see if we would get martial arts secondary for my future Water blast character...
Now I can wait patienly!
YAY!
Finally, I've requested and /signed this so many times. And even for dominators, free for VIPs... Cant ask for more.
Seems like since Freedom, devs are focusing on my wishlist or something.
It just can't get better!
Oh, yes it does! We can finally customize Pool/Epic/Patrons...
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I REALLY hope Ki Push doesn't get removed in beta because it isn't natural enough. This set seems more ninja-y than natural. Flash step, force push, that power that slows everything around you...
Ki Push is fine and should never be removed. It is one of the coolest powers ever. And to be replaced by something as boring as Web Grenade? Ew.
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So lets decide to not make any natural dominator secondary until there's a natural primary. And not to make any natural primary until there's a natural secondary.|
Originally Posted by Airhammer
I dont quite understand this either. It like another throw in for Dominators. There is no primary that matches thematically with the secondary and the reality is there probably never will be because I dont believe the dev team sees Dominators as a class that demands new primaries. Dominators basically get the left overs and ports from other sets and while this does work and I have quite a few Doms that I enjoy immensely, the fact that there is no natural or gadget Primary to team with this ( which many Dom players have been asking for) leaves me very sad and somewhat nonplussed.
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I don't even understand what "get the left overs" even means. They literally share their primary with controllers, so there's no such thing as getting a hand-me-down primary: when the devs make a control set, both archetypes get the same new-car-smell version. They share assaults sets with no one, so every one of them has to be specifically created for Dominators, and Dominators alone. They specifically got a Martial Assault set that no one else can use, work specifically dedicated to them and them alone, and that's being described as "left overs."
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Mmmm assuming/hoping they get tweaked some.
Throw Sand? really?? Become a hero they said..see the world they said..oh and throw dirt in peoples faces. Great. Also thats only..4? actual attacks, an assuming chi push isnt huge damage? I still dont like this business with all blaster secondaries getting an absorb..and a heal also in this case, as well as a tp!
The dom secondary..sadly does not really interest me at all. I tried shurikens on a scrapper and the look just was not working. Also, envenomed blades..cool idea..but HOW do blades add damage..to kicks? The old shoe blade trick?
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Ki Push is like Power Thrust - a power you can used while mezzed, and it gets things AWAY from you.
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Originally Posted by ChaosAngelGeno
Last I checked blasters use melee attacks.
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Most blaster secondaries only have about 4 or 5 attacks, if any at all (devices). |
Originally Posted by MisterD
Mmmm assuming/hoping they get tweaked some.
Throw Sand? really?? Become a hero they said..see the world they said..oh and throw dirt in peoples faces. Great. Also thats only..4? actual attacks, an assuming chi push isnt huge damage? I still dont like this business with all blaster secondaries getting an absorb..and a heal also in this case, as well as a tp! The dom secondary..sadly does not really interest me at all. I tried shurikens on a scrapper and the look just was not working. Also, envenomed blades..cool idea..but HOW do blades add damage..to kicks? The old shoe blade trick? |
The shuriken got new animations. Not the same as the ones you saw on your scrapper.
Or poisoned feet!
The new shiny is FREE for VIPs, and fills a long waited natural secondary for both blasters and dominators.
We got dark control and dark assault in I22 and people still complaining?
I dont get it.
Thinking some more on this - I'm not entirely sold on the lack of a conventional Build Up in this set.
Its going to be a common thematic pairing with Dual Pistols and Assault Rifle, both of which lack Aim, leaving us with the same problem as Assault Rifle/Devices - a thematic Blaster pairing that lacks on-tap burst damage.
I'd reserve judgement until I've seen the numbers, of course, but all Blasters already get increasing damage bonuses as they attack with Defiance - Reach for the Limit may not be a great substitute for Build Up.
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Apparently it gives about 33% damage boost when it activates, and it lasts longer than a normal build up. So it sounds like it should be better over time than actual build up and you don't need to interrupt your attack chain to use it.
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Originally Posted by Dr Harmony
Thinking some more on this - I'm not entirely sold on the lack of a conventional Build Up in this set.
Its going to be a common thematic pairing with Dual Pistols and Assault Rifle, both of which lack Aim, leaving us with the same problem as Assault Rifle/Devices - a thematic Blaster pairing that lacks on-tap burst damage. I'd reserve judgement until I've seen the numbers, of course, but all Blasters already get increasing damage bonuses as they attack with Defiance - Reach for the Limit may not be a great substitute for Build Up. |
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Reach for the Limit is not a good substitute for Build Up. On the other hand, Build Up is a poor substitute for Reach for the Limit.
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Originally Posted by Dr Harmony
Reach for the Limit may not be a great substitute for Build Up.
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Yay Poisoned Feet! Is that like when you have bad sweaty feet? Watching Jay's youtube of teh set now..it does seem more interesting! But..the mez click..just seems WAY out of line. Every set getting an absorb/heal/rec power..Ok..I dont see it, but I can understand it. But just ONE set with a anti mez? Baaad idea.
Ok..changing my mind again. The Burst of Speed aoe sounds great..till I see the self damage. Self damage, on a squishy? So you get punishes for entering melee, awesome. Guess its lucky the set has that heal and mez and slow..
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It isn't true mez protection though, and we don't know what the recharge is. It is just reactionary, so you'll still get detoggled.|
Originally Posted by MisterD
Yay Poisoned Feet! Is that like when you have bad sweaty feet? Watching Jay's youtube of teh set now..it does seem more interesting! But..the mez click..just seems WAY out of line. Every set getting an absorb/heal/rec power..Ok..I dont see it, but I can understand it. But just ONE set with a anti mez? Baaad idea.
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Self damage? I didn't hear anything about that.
It was in the displayed info when showing off Burst of Speed. Said info was described as inaccurate by Arbiter Hawk so it's probably out of the power
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What's really sad is that I look at Ki Push (which is beautiful) and immediately wonder if a 1 second Repel effect could be ported into Focused Burst for the Kinetic Melee powersets. It's just one of those things where it's such a good idea (and clever implementation) that it really ought to not be limited to just Martial Combat.