Martial Combat and Martial Assault
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-08-01 11:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
WOW.
And just when I'd given up on the dev team for their lack of attention to dominators with all the new blasts, buffs and defense sets they go and pull this.
Now they're going to make me change my sig!
Please buff Ice Control.
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Actualy this isnt a blast set but a manipulation set....so not a primary set but a secondary set...|
Originally Posted by Paladin
I suppose the only remaining question is: Now that we have a Punching Blast Set, when will we be seeing Sword Blast announced?
I need to know, for reasons. In all seriousness, this is fantastic. Continuing to impress, guys. Thanks for your hard work, creativity, and continuing investment into the game. It's got a lot more life than games half its age. Burst of Speed sounds like a Nightcrawler-esque bamf attack. Pretty awesome, and I can't wait to see it in action! |
So it make me wonder what Primary sets they will come up with next as well...
You might be right maybe they will do something with swords...hopefuly primary and secondary ones so there isnt tons of re-draw....I could see some super sword primary atatcks happening....
Ala like the Animes: "Fate Stay Night" or maybe "Campione"
Those would be really interesting effects....i guess i am just a fan of watching 100s of swords pincussioning the enemy though.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
WOW.
And just when I'd given up on the dev team for their lack of attention to dominators with all the new blasts, buffs and defense sets they go and pull this. Now they're going to make me change my sig! |
Well there is a reason. Support sets are used by Defenders, Masterminds, Corruptors, and Controllers. Blast sets are used by Defenders, Blasters, and Corruptors. Defense and Melee are both used by Stalkers, Scrappers, Brutes, and Tanks. So those sets would get more developement than Assault (dominator), Manipulation (Blaster) and Pet (Mastermind.) They can please three to four times as many crowds by working on some opposed to others.
Not fun, but it makes business sense.
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Numbers not necessarily final, and subject to change on beta:|
Originally Posted by Neuronia
Is it in the Dom set? If not, can you elaborate on the Tier 9? At the moment it seems...underwhelming compared to Psy Shockwave or Power Burst, in other words heavy hitters. What's the chance for splash damage?
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Eagle's Claw is not in Martial Assault. Its melee attacks are Thunder Kick, Spinning Kick, and Dragon's Tail. Its tier 9 is Explosive Shuriken - 12 second recharge, 1.67 second cast time, 80 foot range, scale 2.28 Fire damage with a 100% chance for 5 ticks of .05 scale fire damage in a 10 foot sphere.
I discuss the sets briefly in today's video but I messed up on Burst of Speed and trip over my own words a bit as it was done on-the-fly and done as quickly as possible to get the news out.
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Thunder kick strikes me as a bad power to port to the dom set, since its the worst DPA attack in martial arts and its a fast recharge, T1 attack - I would have expected you to port the tier 2, storm kick instead, just like dark assault ported smite. Even if you up the recharge/damage on thunder kick I think the storm kick animation is a lot more fun.
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Originally Posted by Arbiter Hawk
Numbers not necessarily final, and subject to change on beta:
Eagle's Claw is not in Martial Assault. Its melee attacks are Thunder Kick, Spinning Kick, and Dragon's Tail. Its tier 9 is Explosive Shuriken - 12 second recharge, 1.67 second cast time, 80 foot range, scale 2.28 Fire damage with a 100% chance for 5 ticks of .05 scale fire damage in a 10 foot sphere. |
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You know I usually don't like Blasters at all because "they just do damage" and nothing really to them...
After watching the video with Burst of Speed....now the set may make Blasters fun to me....hmm..
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Okay two things...
1.) Arbiter Hawk is a sucker for Chains and Teleporting powers....what about Teleporting Chains?! Or a Chain Teleport power?! 
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2.) How about replacing Dimension Shift with a chained version of Propel...or...chained version of Wormhole or a new chain teleport power!?
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IIRC, it's Thunder Kick in name only. It has a new (and shorter from the looks of it) animation and presumably better DPA.|
Originally Posted by EricHough
Thunder kick strikes me as a bad power to port to the dom set, since its the worst DPA attack in martial arts and its a fast recharge, T1 attack - I would have expected you to port the tier 2, storm kick instead, just like dark assault ported smite. Even if you up the recharge/damage on thunder kick I think the storm kick animation is a lot more fun.
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Awesome. I'm especially excited about seeing it for Dominators. Hopefully we'll get a gadgety control set soon (bolas, stun grenades, etc).
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THe only things that dissapoint me are:
No Crane Kick. I like kicking people in the jugular.
Throw Sand seems like an anticlimactic T9, even though its probably very useful.
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That's what I originally wanted Vorpal Judgement to be - teleporting you four or five times and doing a PBAoE on each hop. Unfortunately that's impossible, but it was a fun idea, and I think Tunnel Rat and Honey Badger sold it really well through VFX.|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
1.) Arbiter Hawk is a sucker for Chains and Teleporting powers....what about Teleporting Chains?! Or a Chain Teleport power?!
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2.) How about replacing Dimension Shift with a chained version of Propel...or...chained version of Wormhole or a new chain teleport power!?
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Oh this. THIS. Device Control would be great.
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Originally Posted by Liquid
Awesome. I'm especially excited about seeing it for Dominators. Hopefully we'll get a gadgety control set soon (bolas, stun grenades, etc).
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Am I the only in thinking that MA should be a blaster primary and MC be the blaster secondary to create a full theme?
Well, at least that's how I play :P
--And they prefaced that these two powers are some of the most requested by the community... while i wont disagree with MC for blasters... but I thought for DOMs Ilusion Control was the most requested-at least form a proliferation standpoint.
mmmm, illusion dom. /drool
p.s. dont get me wrong, i always love getting new powers, and these look fun. cant wait!
you know what? I'm really tempted to make an RP group based off of the a:tla or a:tlok universes...It would be redside because I kind of don't like blueside, but if someone could make the blueside SG then I could possibly make the redside one...of course only when i24 hits....
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...that's all they meant by that, for blasters.
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Originally Posted by Teeko
--And they prefaced that these two powers are some of the most requested by the community... while i wont disagree with MC for blasters...
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The best use of Dimension Shift I've ever seen was to avoid the Obliteration Beam in Keyes-- at the last second a Grav 'Troller dropped it on the people who weren't moving and it completely deflected the beam's attack/hold.
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Originally Posted by Arbiter Hawk
I really love Dimension Shift, as unpopular of a stance as that may be. It's one of the craziest, most powerful powers in the game, but only for the kind of player who really gets their enjoyment out of subtle finesse, rather than through big numbers or straightforward victories.
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Brilliant.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
The best use of Dimension Shift I've ever seen was to avoid the Obliteration Beam in Keyes-- at the last second a Grav 'Troller dropped it on the people who weren't moving and it completely deflected the beam's attack/hold.
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I haven't seen the powers yet, but here's my first impression.
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- Chi Push. KB sounds bad for a melee-based set. I know you have a new animation, but Web Grenade would have been fine.|
Originally Posted by enderbean
These powersets were announced in today's TwitchTV broadcast. They will be in I24 and are free for VIPs:
Martial Combat (blaster secondary) Chi Push (repel followed by knockback (cool new animation) Storm Kick (melee) Dragon Kick (melee) Dragon's Tail (PBAoE melee) Burst of Speed (AoE self TP) Reach for the Limit (Build up auto powerChance for +dam and +To Hit on every power) Reaction Time (toggle+absorb over time, +recovery, -move on enemy; 10 seconds of +speed on toggle off) Inner Will (self heal and mez breakonly useable under 50% end or health or when mezzed) Throw Sand (cone foe stun) |
- I honestly would like to see some variety in the attacks. Three kicks looks boring, how about Cobra Strike?
- Dragon's Tail as your PBAoE? Great.
- Reach for the Limit, Burst of Speed, Reaction Time sound good. I'd like to see a +Regen or +Defense component is Reaction Time or a temporary +Defense boost for a period of time for using Burst of Speed.
- Inner Will if published as is, sounds like a power to skip. I don't want a power that has a conditional usage. Powers like those need to really wow me or have larger benefits like Vengeance. I'd rather use Aid Self or have another attack.
- Throw Sand = Touch of Fear. (Oh look...skip.)
-I'd like to see Eagle's Claw as the T9 attack. To match the other T9's the other secondaries have and it looks sexy to use.
So something like this:
T1: Web Grenade
T2: Storm Kick
T3: Cobra Strike
T4: Dragon's Tail
T5: Reach for the Limit
T6: ???
T7: Reaction Time
T8: Burst of Speed
T9: Eagle's Claw
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Originally Posted by enderbean
Martial Assault (secondary for Dominators)
Shuriken Throw (has a new animation) Thunder Kick (meleeMA port) Trick Shot (chain powershuriken bounces between targets) Spin Kick (front facing cone like the incarnate power without the teleport) Envenomed Blades (build up power; adds toxic damage to all attacks for a time) Dragon's Tail (PBAoE melee) Caltrops Masterful Throw (snipe; chance for DoT damage) Explosive Shuriken (single target with chance for splash DoT) |
- Trick Shot. Why not Dart Burst? or a throwing knives effect? Something to break the chain of kicks and shuriken.
- Spin Kick. Too many kicks...Cobra Strike.
- Envenom Blades. Nice.
- Dragon's Tail. Good.
- Caltrops. YES.
- Masterful Throw...it's seems unimaginative. Again I'd like to see more melee. Eagles Claw.
- Explosive Shuriken. OK. Matches your close range, high damage T9's.
So something like this:
T1: Shuriken
T2: Thunder Kick (or) Storm Kick (whichever looks cooler)
T3: Dart Burst (Kunai Knives or Throwing Knives would look cool)
T4: Cobra Strike
T5: Envenom Blades
T6: Dragon's Tail
T7: Caltrops
T8: Eagle's Claw
T9: Explosive Shuriken
Notice it's similar to Thorny Assault's powers.
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... Now I have to pick up Dimension Shift.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
The best use of Dimension Shift I've ever seen was to avoid the Obliteration Beam in Keyes-- at the last second a Grav 'Troller dropped it on the people who weren't moving and it completely deflected the beam's attack/hold.
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Oh, by the way, my thoughts on these new sets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZDnNGxt-ts
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SHRUIKEN/THROWING BLADES BLAST SET!!!! XD|
Originally Posted by Teeko
Am I the only in thinking that MA should be a blaster primary and MC be the blaster secondary to create a full theme?
Well, at least that's how I play :P --And they prefaced that these two powers are some of the most requested by the community... while i wont disagree with MC for blasters... but I thought for DOMs Ilusion Control was the most requested-at least form a proliferation standpoint. mmmm, illusion dom. /drool p.s. dont get me wrong, i always love getting new powers, and these look fun. cant wait! |
and illusion probs wont happen for doms anytime soon. They're wicked busy with new sets for a while [working on Wind Blast for me ;D eh? eh? eh?]
but for illusion to be ported for doms i'd suggest: the pbaoe group invis turning into a aoe-patch-slow-with-chance-to-confuse, the fear-pet-patch becoming a facing cone fear with low "illusory" dmg, and Phantom Army [the big reason it's not ported to doms? or is it the Phantasm?] becoming a different sort of pet similar to the shades from haunt, summoning three pets that arent as invincible and call them Phantom Horde or something? ... or even just extending recharge and lowering dmg a bit to balance? :/ idk but it could be altered as a set as much as dark maisma was to become darkness affinity...
anyway
what set should i choose for my new dominator?
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Web Grenade? Ew, I much prefer this. Don't forget that this is a blaster secondary, a PBAoE KB is a great thing to have solo. And Inner Will looks like one of the main draws to the set.
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Rats I was wondering if Burst of Speed may lead to some sort of Nightcrawler "teleport in and attack and then teleport out" type of power but after reading that...maybe not :| heh|
Originally Posted by Arbiter Hawk
That's what I originally wanted Vorpal Judgement to be - teleporting you four or five times and doing a PBAoE on each hop. Unfortunately that's impossible, but it was a fun idea, and I think Tunnel Rat and Honey Badger sold it really well through VFX.
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| I really love Dimension Shift, as unpopular of a stance as that may be. It's one of the craziest, most powerful powers in the game, but only for the kind of player who really gets their enjoyment out of subtle finesse, rather than through big numbers or straightforward victories. |
Oh I know...I'll be here asking for it to be changed all the time too
I like cool/unique powers (and power sets) but I have a very hard time finding a good use for DS (in the 50+/incarnate trial game).
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
The best use of Dimension Shift I've ever seen was to avoid the Obliteration Beam in Keyes-- at the last second a Grav 'Troller dropped it on the people who weren't moving and it completely deflected the beam's attack/hold.
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I like it! However, it kind of brings me back to, "okay if you want us to use it like that..." "why can't the recharge time be like 10-20 seconds (after you un-toggle DS)?"
I know you can also use DS to "tank" Lord Recluse (ie. keep him occupied) in the STF but again, unless you have 3-4 Grav. Controllers then you can't keep LR in DS forever.
I can use DS like what you mentioned (for the Keyes' iTrial; protect people in the green targeting circle) but again, the oblit. beam happens every 20 seconds (?) so I can only do use it like that once every 3 Oblits. (roughly).
If DS could phase AVs in iTrials that would help. I brought up using it on Chimera in the Mag. iTrial so that we could take out Shadow Hunter/Nega Pendragon but...again Chim isn't phased in DS...he continues to kill peeps
*shrugs*
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Okay...
Looks like I'm going to have to create an alternate version of my main DP blaster...
This will be fun.
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