Devs called I24 "Fix Everything" in Coffee Talk... Lets hope that doesn't include nerfs
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Posted on: 2012-07-11 13:47 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I had no problems at standard difficulty on any of my Blasters. I had little problems at +1 or x2 settings on them.
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I had no issue on any of those settings.
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And this. IOs are not necessary to play the game or be effective. I've seen folks who IOs suck worse than those with SO.|
Originally Posted by _eeek_
Many people hate the market and the time sink IO's can be. Many people love it (I do). It's okay for people to pay their money and play the game THEY like.
But to my mind, it's pretty much NOT okay to talk down at people who don't enjoy the same game experience that you enjoy. |
Having IOs doesn't automatically make you awesome if you play like a blind, "leroy jenkins" yelling, rushing-into-mobs fool.
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Me, too. Based on the numbers I've run, it's in most cases more like "mild" or even "negligible".
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I'd love to hear some examples of how that will be 'huge.'
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I'm old and getting slower. My reaction time isn't what it used to be.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
what the hell?
I had no issue on any of those settings. |
My reaction time was never that great which is the cause for one of my main reasons for not liking PVP. Basically, I suck at it.
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In all honesty the change to Lockdown means that my Proc will drop to around 60% fire rate, at which point I have wasted 3 dollars on an enhancement that is actually worse than the enhancement I replaced it with (A Level 30 Lockdown Proc). And I can't even use the Devastation proc without needing to retool my ENTIRE build. Between this, the change to the Stalker Stealth Proc, and the new Proc being utterly worthless, I'm basically 50/50 on whether I'm going to keep my character or not.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I'd love to hear some examples of how that will be 'huge.'
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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if your build lives or dies by 2 enhancements, they were clearly overpowered
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
In all honesty the change to Lockdown means that my Proc will drop to around 60% fire rate, at which point I have wasted 3 dollars on an enhancement that is actually worse than the enhancement I replaced it with (A Level 30 Lockdown Proc). And I can't even use the Devastation proc without needing to retool my ENTIRE build. Between this, the change to the Stalker Stealth Proc, and the new Proc being utterly worthless, I'm basically 50/50 on whether I'm going to keep my character or not.
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Uh. I had a set of lockdown BEFORE the SBE became available. I was fine with a 15% proc rate but I was given the impression that Lockdown firing guaranteed in a patron hold was WAI so I bought an enhancement from the store (and this was the ONLY one I bought) so I could use it to lockdown a boss, which I only did if I was fighting two of them.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
if your build lives or dies by 2 enhancements, they were clearly overpowered
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And the stalker ATO required a MASSIVE investment of resources to cycle Build Up every 10 seconds, a huge amount of endurance management and not particularly stellar ST Damage. It also required a COMPLETE reworking of my build/playstyle, and in the end I was only barely able to keep up with Brutes and Scrappers on incarnate Trials, while having less survivability than either.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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The current SBE Lockdown proc is 2 PPM, which will become 2.5 PPM under i24 rules, which means it will have a capped (90%) proc chance in any power with a cycle time of at least 21.6 seconds. Char is the fastest-activating stalker epic pool hold, at 1.07s, so you need its recharge to be no less than 20.53s (counting only slotted recharge). With a 32s base recharge, that means slotting no more than 56% recharge into the power. This is not an impossible constraint. The other epic holds have slightly longer activations, and could thus slot slightly more recharge while still having a 90% chance. Soul Storm, at 2.17s, is the slowest, and could slot up to 64.7% recharge while still having a 90% proc chance.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Uh. I had a set of lockdown BEFORE the SBE became available. I was fine with a 15% proc rate but I was given the impression that Lockdown firing guaranteed in a patron hold was WAI so I bought an enhancement from the store (and this was the ONLY one I bought) so I could use it to lockdown a boss, which I only did if I was fighting two of them.
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Now, granted, 90% is significantly less reliable than 100%, but it's still pretty reliable.
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With Lockdown 6 slotted in Soul Storm (Fixed) that's 75.51% Recharge time (Level 30 enhancements), which works out to around an 85% Proc rate. This means that I have to stick with my Nerve Alpha Ability, since the only other +Defense option has recharge. Yet again, the ONLY reason I ever used this power was A) Green Phase on Hamidon Raids, and B) Shutting down a boss momentarily. Since the second one is no longer reliable, I'll simply move the power out of standard rotation. It still means I'm going to dissect the character for the THIRD time since Rolling him to try and make him work.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
The current SBE Lockdown proc is 2 PPM, which will become 2.5 PPM under i24 rules, which means it will have a capped (90%) proc chance in any power with a cycle time of at least 21.6 seconds. Char is the fastest-activating stalker epic pool hold, at 1.07s, so you need its recharge to be no less than 20.53s (counting only slotted recharge). With a 32s base recharge, that means slotting no more than 56% recharge into the power. This is not an impossible constraint. The other epic holds have slightly longer activations, and could thus slot slightly more recharge while still having a 90% chance. Soul Storm, at 2.17s, is the slowest, and could slot up to 64.7% recharge while still having a 90% proc chance.
Now, granted, 90% is significantly less reliable than 100%, but it's still pretty reliable. |
Or I could just cut my losses like I did with my CEBR (Transferred to another server, never to be used again) and my Beam Rifle toon (who is being prepped for PVP on Freedom). I just don't have FUN with him anymore, and since the stealth proc is worthless to me if I can't rely on it (Fun fact, if you have a Stealth Proc/Stealth effect OTHER than hide on, you can't actually SEE the proc go off so you have to scour the healing delivered channel - and by the time I see that I'm hidden I've already been hit about 75% of the time, Soft-capped or no).
And I'm saying it right now - the Recharge Build Up Proc is a slap in the face to me. Yes, I said it - it's completely, utterly worthless since my Build up is ALWAYS recharged.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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cry moar wolf.
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
Thoughts?
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Spider-Man: Street Justice/Super Reflexes Stalker. He usually surprises his enemies with a sneak attack, and while he can avoid hits and on some occasions take them, he isn't that great at taking damage (A hit or two from Rhino, for example, would put spidey into a fleeing position). He generally uses stealth, tactics, and movement to outmaneuver and outwit his foes. Generally not something a tanker does.
Superman: SS/Inv Tank with no crashes, constant damage resistance cap, softcapped defenses, the Body Mastery pool for laser blasts, and perma-all-powers and triple-stacked rage. He's the superhero of superheroes.
The Hulk: SS/Inv Brute with an Empath hidden in his purple pants. Yes. They can stretch to fit his giant form without ripping at the waistband, he can hide a terrified kidnapped empath in there.
The Flash: Speedster AT. There really is no AT which appropriately encompasses what a Speedster like the Flash can do. He has ranged attacks in thrown objects, he has control effects through whirlwinds, he has melee attacks by running around at massive speeds and beating the crap out of someone at whatever speed he can run. He can punch a thousand times in a second and dodge a bullet when the barrel of the gun is pressed against his forehead. There is nothing in the game which encompasses all of these things in equal proportion. The closest we have is Dominators, but he doesn't have the same focus on control and they have no defense.
Batman: Everything/Everything Everything, based on what the comic in question needs. He can be a scrapper or stalker with MA/ or StJ/ or Kat/ and /Nin /SR /Willpower or he can be a Street Justice/Devices character.
Wonder Woman: Bondage/S&M Icon. Really, she's the second string Superman "Now with Boobs!" and without his level of power. I really wish DC would just let her go and bring up a better heroine in her place, but I guess after 7+ decades we're stuck with her as the "Iconic" female hero.
Wolverine: Claws/Regen scrapper. He is the quintessential scrapper.
Jean Grey: Mind/Psi Dom or Fire/Fire anything, depending on the comic
Cyclops: Nrg/Martial Arts Blaster
Ultimately, it's very difficult to quantify any of the heroes of Marvel or DC "Perfectly" into one of the ATs we have in City of Heroes. Why? Because the ATs are limited by class balance. The supers we all grew up with are not. Batman is, perhaps, the best example of this.
Also: these above classifications are entirely my opinion, feel free to ignore them or laugh, your choice. But don't bother getting mad, 'cause that'll just mess up your day.
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But his Instant Healing is still a toggle.
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Wolverine: Claws/Regen scrapper.
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I know you're kidding, but that's not why I typed my Spidey synopsis, and I can sincerely say that I've never posted something in order to pad my post count. The reason I bring this up is because it made me remember something ya'll might find equally silly. I used to take my low post count as a matter of pride. None of my in-game friends frequent the forums and they don't understand why I do (I got made fun of when I said I'd surpassed one hundred posts). I remember when I surpassed 500 posts, I started to feel like maybe I was posting too much on the forums. I knew that every post I had made seemed like a damn good idea at the time that I wrote it, but what the hell had I managed to write about in 500 posts? If I had that much to say about anything important, what do I have to show for it now? What a depressing question to have to answer for. So as I edge up toward 1,000 posts, I'm just not sure what to think of myself. I certainly don't think a lot of forum posts on the Internet makes me more awesome. And to this day, I've never had as much fun on the forums as I have in the game. Not one single time. So, lately, I've finally stopped trying to squeeze productive feedback into every single post I write. Take Spider-man, for instance. Spider-man, Spider-man. He does whatever a spider can. Spins a web, any size, catches thieves just like flies. Look out! Here comes the Spider-man. Is he strong? Listen bud--he's got radioactive blood. Can he swing from a thread? Take a look overhead. Hey there! There goes the Spider-man!
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Because it's the city of heroes forums, where even the silliest, most unrealistic things get a life cause everyone loves to pad their post count.
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Drink.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
And I'm saying it right now - the Recharge Build Up Proc is a slap in the face to me.
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That is all.
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Er.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
He is a dodge tank. His primary M.O. is to jump around taunting his foes. He's not known for being exceptionally good offensively.
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Controller.
Don't let the use of melee confuse you -- his primary attacks are the webs.
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How the hell did you manage to do that?
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
With Lockdown 6 slotted in Shadow Meld
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My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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CoH players are pretty cool. They know how to have fun.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
how did this thread get so derailed going from moaning about nonexistant and unnanounced "nerfs" to trying to pin down how a fictional characters fits into our fictional game universe?
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Actually, Spiderman as a Dominator with Fighting, Leaping, and Presence would explain an awful lot. Like how he can take on a Herald of Galactus one issue and get one-shotted by the Leaper a few issues later.|
Originally Posted by Elf_Sniper
If we're going to base it *exclusively* on the 2 criteria you've listed here, he could be pretty much any AT who only uses his power pool powers (Fighting, Leaping, Presence), but that's stretching a bit. OK, a lot.
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Total disagreement. Martial Arts is the best fit, even though he has super strength, as well as jumping power pools jump kick. He does have multiple web based powers though, more like multiple versions of web grenade and hold versions of the web grenades. Webs are more a power pool, because he has them early on, for Spider-man than his main attack.
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Originally Posted by seebs
Er.
Controller. Don't let the use of melee confuse you -- his primary attacks are the webs. |
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Indeed. His power sets are Cry Moar/Get Beat. |
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
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So, the defining characteristics of tankers are survivability and low damage.............
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
He is a dodge tank. His primary M.O. is to jump around taunting his foes. He's not known for being exceptionally good offensively.
Flash too is not known for being an exceptionally powerful fighter. He is nearly impossible for a non-speedster to lay a hand on, meaning his Super Reflexes are of the utmost caliber. Both the Wally West and Bart Allen incarnations, and to a lesser extent Barry Allen, made extensive use of taunting in battle, therefore he is a Tanker. . |
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"Not exceptionally good damage" =/= "low damage"
Oh, and +1
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