Devs called I24 "Fix Everything" in Coffee Talk... Lets hope that doesn't include nerfs
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Posted on: 2012-07-11 13:47 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I don't consider this a 'massive nerf', sorry.|
Originally Posted by Cheetatron
There are already massive nerfs. all pre i24 ppm get a massive nerf in the form of proc chace cap and having slotted recharge count against proc chance, all io procs slotted for maximum proccing will also be hit
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A 'massive nerf' would be subtracting values from the damage modifier of an entire AT.
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Originally Posted by 2short2care
Ya know everytime I see ED I think of a certain dysfuction that men get
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Since I still enjoy playing Scrappers, hopefully I can has their stuffs.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
if they do not fix scrappers in i24 I foresee massive numbers of people quitting in crit
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You heard it here first folks! It's not Defenders, it's not Tankers, it's not Corruptors, it's not Masterminds, it's SCRAPPERS who need fixing. Yep, that's the nail on the head! The most-played AT with the highest melee damage modifier in the game, the AT that keeps crying for more powersets despite having a diverse assortment, the AT that does THE most melee burst damage is the one AT that really needs a fix.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
I am surprised no one has posted about how big of a nerf to Scrappers i24 is.
first they made brutes do more damage than scrappers then stalkers did more damage than scrappers now blasters will do more damage than scrappers if they do not fix scrappers in i24 I foresee massive numbers of people quitting in crit |
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
the scrapper AT is basically useless now. And it is the AT that pretty much defines comics - wolverine, spiderman, superman, iron fist, bat man, flash, wonder woman, etc.
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Superman: Tanker
Batman: Stalker
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Correct.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
the scrapper AT is basically useless now. And it is the AT that pretty much defines comics -
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Stalkers need a fix? I thought stalkers do the most melee burst damage now.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
the AT that does THE most melee burst damage is the one AT that really needs a fix.
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Uh, no. Read more Spiderman.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
SR/Speed Melee Tanker
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Complaints are getting nerfed in i24. Be prepared to start smiling more often.
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This is dependent on how we define the mechanics Super Reflexes in COH. Flash at least in the JL/JLU dose little damage but avoids a lot of it. He is constantly distracting the bad guys (Taunt). Flash seems like a tanker to me. |
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Uh, no. Read more Spiderman.
Flash is most definitely not a Tanker. |
IDK about Spiderman. Always felt that he was more of a stalker myself.
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Scrappers aren't getting nerfed. "Not changing" is not a nerf. |
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
I am surprised no one has posted about how big of a nerf to Scrappers i24 is.
first they made brutes do more damage than scrappers then stalkers did more damage than scrappers now blasters will do more damage than scrappers the scrapper AT is basically useless now. And it is the AT that pretty much defines comics - wolverine, spiderman, superman, iron fist, bat man, flash, wonder woman, etc. if they do not fix scrappers in i24 I foresee massive numbers of people quitting in crit |
Perhaps try rephrasing: other AT's are now catching up to scrapper goodness, and can thus be fun to play again. Yay, I don't HAVE to play just scrappers to get good performance!
I see massive numbers of players having more fun playing more things, and maybe 2 guys temporarily off sulking because they lost exclusive bragging rights on Das Uber.
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He is a dodge tank. His primary M.O. is to jump around taunting his foes. He's not known for being exceptionally good offensively.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Uh, no. Read more Spiderman.
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I disagree with the thread title - if they're going to "Fix Everything", then they should absolutely fix nerfs while they're at it. Nerfs have long been in need of repair. 
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Those were the only three things you were ever for?
Also: who was for Hover speed getting nerfed? |
Believe it or not there were people who argued it shouldn't get buffed.
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The PPM procs will see diminished performance, yes, but standard IOs will be moving over to the PPM formula which will be a massive boost. |
Originally Posted by Cheetatron
There are already massive nerfs. all pre i24 ppm get a massive nerf in the form of proc chace cap and having slotted recharge count against proc chance, all io procs slotted for maximum proccing will also be hit
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As I've been led to understand anyhow.
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I freaking hope so. Rage is crazy good and we all know it. Yes, Rage should be great and iconic, but it certianly shouldnt be broken.|
Originally Posted by Ultimus
Just hearing that today got me thinking, what if I24 is another big balancing act like ED or GDN? Some powers could get gutted like Rage or Drain Psyche.
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And Drain Psyche isn't so bad considering who gets it.
Burn also needs to be gutted.
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Ammo switching for Dual Pistols was my idea:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135484
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Okay, so what you're saying now is that Tank damage is supposed to be low?
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
He is a dodge tank. His primary M.O. is to jump around taunting his foes. He's not known for being exceptionally good offensively.
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I'm comparing those heroes to the ATs the way they currently are, not the way the ATs should be.|
Originally Posted by ThePill
Okay, so what you're saying now is that Tank damage is supposed to be low?
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When spiderman was created he was the 4th strongest hero in the marvel universe. Like all scrappers, he did not get buffed whereas everyone else did. Leaving his damage pathetic. A perfect example of how scrappers need to be buffed.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
He is a dodge tank. His primary M.O. is to jump around taunting his foes. He's not known for being exceptionally good offensively.
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Flash is definitely not a tanker - he is not known to try and get enemy fire thrown his way on behalf of others on his team. He might be more like a stalker, if anything.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
He is a dodge tank. His primary M.O. is to jump around taunting his foes. He's not known for being exceptionally good offensively.
Flash too is not known for being an exceptionally powerful fighter. He is nearly impossible for a non-speedster to lay a hand on, meaning his Super Reflexes are of the utmost caliber. Both the Wally West and Bart Allen incarnations, and to a lesser extent Barry Allen, made extensive use of taunting in battle, therefore he is a Tanker. |
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Why should tankers have high damage?
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I'm comparing those heroes to the ATs the way they currently are, not the way the ATs should be.
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I think Hover should have it's speed increased to what Fly is, and Fly be removed from the game. Then Fly's current spot should be taken by Afterburner and a new flying attack created to be the new 5th power in the Flight pool.|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Believe it or not there were people who argued it shouldn't get buffed.
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Because Johnny Butane makes false arguments.
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Originally Posted by JayboH
Why should tankers have high damage?
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This conversation is dumb...
Flash would be a Scrapper with Super Reflexes.
Also, Tankers should have low damage... they are tankers.. not broots or scrappers. They should have excellent defenses with moderate support. and mediocre damage
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Ammo switching for Dual Pistols was my idea:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135484
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And now I am one of the people that feels it no longer needs a buff.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I think Hover should have it's speed increased to what Fly is and have Fly removed from the game. Then Fly's current spot should be taken by Afterburner and a new flying attack created to be the new 5th power in the Flight pool.
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There are already massive nerfs. all pre i24 ppm get a massive nerf in the form of proc chace cap and having slotted recharge count against proc chance, all io procs slotted for maximum proccing will also be hit