Thoughts on SSA 2 Episode 1?
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Posted on: 2012-06-05 18:15 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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It would make sense for Penny to be a little... disturbed. I mean, look at who her mentor is! She's been trained in the use of her powers by ol' Randy who is (literally) out of his skull. Given that she's spent years with her brain being prodded by a guy who had his body deliberately crushed and nearly killed by a berserk hero, I'd say she's likely got two wheels off the pavement by now.
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Originally Posted by Mad_Scientist_JC
Played both sides now, and I'm just not feeling Blueside. I don't care for Penny, overall as a character. And I really have to wonder about her after playing the Redside arc. We force a fortunata to read Clamor's mind and she's terrified. She says their thoughts were beyond sadism. Penny just hops right in and doesn't seem bothered at all. Now I'll just go ahead and circumvent the obvious answer to this, Penny is much more powerful and can block out the thoughts better than a low-level Fortunata could, but even is she could keep the thoughts out of her mind, she would still see them and presumably be disturbed, but no. This made it all fall into place. The Signature story arcs were all Penny's evil plan!
It explains everything! The Phalanx were acting like idiots throughout the first one, Penny was affecting them. Darrin Wade as the big villain, nope Penny was controlling him. She got rid of the two members on the Phalanx that she couldn't completely control, Psyche and States. Now she's making sure that they keep you close by, so she can keep an eye on you and make sure her plans are messed up. She's targeting Manticore at the moment because after Psyche's death, Sis gave Manti the power to resist Penny! Penny is clearly making a power play! She's a villain! |
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Though nothing will drive them away
We can beat them, just for one day
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You don't buy that Penny is simply pure of heart (unlike the Fortunata), and therefore unaffected by the whisperings of the calls for vengeance and destruction?
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What about Citadel? Isn't he still Energy Melee/Invulnerable?|
Originally Posted by Seschat
Realized the Phalanx has no melee members anymore.
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As far as the arcs themselves, I like that the Villain-side arc has a much wider appeal for the alignments. It doesn't matter if your Vigilante, Villain or Rogue, It's not hard to find a reason to work with these new people.
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I thought she called him Russell, not sure on that. The CWK is her minion, he just doesn't know it, she's been controlling him for years, keeping heroes off his back. I wouldn't doubt it if Penny had something to pushing Blue Steel into killing the CWK. That's why Blue Steel was never made to pay for the blatant murder of someone, they know he was controlled! This conspiracy goes deeper than we all can fathom! Granted Penny would have probably been like 10 at the time, but I'm sure it was a very nefarious 10! |
Originally Posted by GlassGoblin
It would make sense for Penny to be a little... disturbed. I mean, look at who her mentor is! She's been trained in the use of her powers by ol' Randy who is (literally) out of his skull. Given that she's spent years with her brain being prodded by a guy who had his body deliberately crushed and nearly killed by a berserk hero, I'd say she's likely got two wheels off the pavement by now.
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Originally Posted by Zombieluvr
You don't buy that Penny is simply pure of heart (unlike the Fortunata), and therefore unaffected by the whisperings of the calls for vengeance and destruction?
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Overall I loved the opening chapter.. I was absolutely giddy when we could fight the trolls. I missed fighting them.
Its just sad that the redside plot is doomed to failure as there is no way that the devs are going to write out Arachnos like they did with Statesman.
We could really do with having less of an Arachnos stranglehold on redside content.
Current Published Arcs
#1 "Too Drunk to be Alcoholic" Arc #48942
#2 "To Slay Sleeping Dragons" Arc #111486
#3 "Stop Calling Me"
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It doesn't really matter whether the Talons believe anyone is innocent or not; if there is no malice in someone's heart for their corruption to work on, then they can't affect that person. It's one of the things that the Carnival of Light learns (to their dismay) in First Ward.|
Originally Posted by Mad_Scientist_JC
That would almost work, if not for the fact the Talons believe no one is innocent, coming up with arbitrary reasons to judge everyone at some point. And just because the thoughts of death, blood, and vengeance weren't directed at her doesn't mean they she wouldn't be disturbed by them. Penny is a villainess, playing us all for fools.
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And one need only look at Praetorian Penny to see that she probably interprets things like blood, violence, and death as puppies, cotton candy, and rainbows.
"Right, Rusty?"
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I stand corrected. I thought she said Randall, but I was probably just projecting; my ex's significant other is a Randall.</tmi>
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Originally Posted by Mad_Scientist_JC
I thought she called him Russell, not sure on that.
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@Glass Goblin - Writer, brainstormer, storyteller, hero
Though nothing will drive them away
We can beat them, just for one day
We can be heroes, just for one day
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Citadel is an Energy/Energy Blaster.|
Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
What about Citadel? Isn't he still Energy Melee/Invulnerable?
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Btw, to those who talked about pathing issues... Citadel can fly, so I just flew up a bit and led him straight to the EB fight.
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That's right. I do believe, while it doesn't really talk much about the Clockwork King's real name, his Praetorian counterpart, Metronome was once named Russell Brandt.
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Originally Posted by Mad_Scientist_JC
I thought she called him Russell, not sure on that.
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TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
That's right. I do believe, while it doesn't really talk much about the Clockwork King's real name, his Praetorian counterpart, Metronome was once named Russell Brand....t.
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I'm sorry what?
Maybe the whole "brain in a jar" thing is an improvement....
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OK, I double checked Citadel's wiki page with the Phalanx (here) at this to make sure. It looks like his powers are all Energy Melee, Energy Blast and Energy Aura, so he's one of those odd ATs that only NPCs can claim.|
Originally Posted by Caulderone
Citadel is an Energy/Energy Blaster.
Btw, to those who talked about pathing issues... Citadel can fly, so I just flew up a bit and led him straight to the EB fight. |
EDIT: Of course, they could have revamped him when they completely changed Siege up, so whatever.
The Abrams is one of the most effective war machines on the planet. - R. Lee Ermy.
Q: How do you wreck an Abrams?
A: You crash into another one.
Whatever poor Citadel is, he's a wimp. I'm sorry, I know, I did his TF more than a few times, but it's true. Since I posted last (about the chosen FP member not following me), I have been watching carefully and devising strategies to keep them with me for the fight.
Despite flying straight UP after our rendezvous, just to keep the poor guy from getting distracted, well, he flew up and ... got distracted. Seeing this, I flew to his aid. It was only 3 minions, and I was set to "not in the face" (+0/x1), but the poor soul had only a sliver of health left when we'd defeated the last one. Being myself all blasterized and all, I couldn't heal him, so I stood around to let him regain some health, and possibly dignity. Instead, he walked a few feet and spotted another group of 3 minions quite some ways off.
I felt in the depths of my heart he wouldn't want me to see what happened next, so I fought Clamor et al. alone.
As it stands, the only one I've been able to keep with me by using this strategy has been Numina, regardless of the route I take, or how high up I fly. However, judging by Citadel's abilities, I do not think there was any actual help potential there anyway. (Poor guy!)
I don't care one bit, either. It's still great fun, and, well, you know... RUSSELL!! (HAHAHAHA) Maybe we could see Russell and Dillo fight over Penny one day? They'd be all "Ten paces, then turn and face, and HOORB!!"
In their defense, they're not EBs or AVs IIRC. They might not even be bosses.
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I wish people would bring this up more often. A murderer with a vicious temper walks the streets a free man, and he wears a uniform.|
Originally Posted by Mad_Scientist_JC
Blue Steel was never made to pay for the blatant murder of someone
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Also I agree and I hope this arc is all about Penny's descent into villainy. She has no empathy for the grieving widower, walking around in his head "as a joke," but meanwhile she has infinite patience for the villain who has endangered, harmed, even killed civilians and wrought havoc in the coty (unleashing multiple giant constructs to boot), and likely has dozens of outstanding warrants.
Picking and choosing who the law applies to, and rendering judgment based solely on "I have the power to do so" is totes a vigilante thing, bordering on villainy. And it's screwy as heck that the writing tries to imply that I'm the bad guy/vigilante-type for wanting to uphold the law and let the criminal justice systel do its job instead of setting myself above it.
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Actually, I'm more of the opinion that it all depends on what power is being used in each situation. Penny uses basic projective Mind Control to make Clamordo the entire "Pandora's Box is opening! Doom!" spiel. Depending on individual special effect, her mind may not be touching Clamor's at all. The misfortunate Fortunada, however, is using telepathy to actually go inside Clamor's brain to acces and relate the truth, personally. To her obvious regret.
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Originally Posted by Zombieluvr
You don't buy that Penny is simply pure of heart (unlike the Fortunata), and therefore unaffected by the whisperings of the calls for vengeance and destruction?
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So: Thoughts on blueside version.
Wavelength was an interesting contact. Her design looks like something you'd see from ages ago, fittingly. If she's retired, Im kinda wondering why she is still in costume, and other than her contact info, I dont think its mentioned she's ex-phalanx.
First and Second Mission: Ah, crap, it's the Penelope Yin Spotlight hour again. And SURPRISE clockwork attack. Clockwork King seemed very much more sane than he normally does, not sure if that's really intended or just inconsistent characterization.
Fourth Mission: lol, Posi and Numina get beat up by trolls. Storyline so far seems neat, didnt care for the graphic effects on the level 50 trolls, but I dont mind seeing the lesser used factions get an excuse to show up again.
Fifth Mission: Nice part at the beginning of being able to choose a team member. I chose Posi. I think he got killed by mobs, never saw him do much. Didn't care for how BaBs was written here, and after having Manticore lecture me, I was ready to have my character punch him in the face. Go out into the mission, annnnd.
Thing goes straight to the toilet with the reappearance of the Crappies of Crappance. Seriously sick of these retarded looking things. Chicken Clamor manages to kill the feelgood I was having for the entire arc.
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Originally Posted by Haetron
it's the Penelope Yin Spotlight hour again.
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I'm assuming she suited up again after being called back to service by Positron. Either that, or else she's just one of those people who is constantly reliving the old days.|
Originally Posted by Haetron
Wavelength was an interesting contact. Her design looks like something you'd see from ages ago, fittingly. If she's retired, Im kinda wondering why she is still in costume, and other than her contact info, I dont think its mentioned she's ex-phalanx.
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Or Alzheimer's, if one is feeling cruel.
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Technically, he's only an attempted murderer, right?
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Originally Posted by minimalist_NA
I wish people would bring this up more often. A murderer with a vicious temper walks the streets a free man, and he wears a uniform.
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Honestly? I like Yin. It makes sense that she's center-stage right now, seeing as she's the new person on the block.
The confrontation with the CWK was awesome, and I liked the fact you could make a truce with him, which I felt was definitely a nice step forward in his character development.
To clarify, Blue Steel, a cop, killed a dangerous criminal already responsible for the deaths of 3 officers. He realized too late what he had done and knew it was wrong and a mistake. He had a temper history with cop killers ever since his dad had been killed in the line of duty a week before Josh's highschool grad.
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@bpphantom
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To clarify, "I'm really really sorry" doesn't excuse one from undergoing due process (arrest, trial), whether you're a cop or a brain in a jar.
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Originally Posted by bpphantom
To clarify, Blue Steel, a cop, killed a dangerous criminal already responsible for the deaths of 3 officers. He realized too late what he had done and knew it was wrong and a mistake. He had a temper history with cop killers ever since his dad had been killed in the line of duty a week before Josh's highschool grad.
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I'm pretty sure that Paragon has a law wherein dressing up in a funny costume protects you from all legal consequences for your actions.
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Originally Posted by minimalist_NA
To clarify, "I'm really really sorry" doesn't excuse one from undergoing due process (arrest, trial), whether you're a cop or a brain in a jar.
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I've finally run it this morning on my StJ/Regen Brute and it was fun. Overall pretty good
Now to see what the villain side is like...
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